Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

almostover · 05-08-2020 10:16AM

ixoy wrote: »

Wrong. They should try but it is not a blocker.

From the HSE site:

Mea culpa, not a widely know thing!

Longing · 05-08-2020 10:18AM

2m rule has gone out the window in many aspects in society manly due to people who think there are wearing a mask gives them the right to literally touch you when doing your shopping either by stretching across you to pick something up. No manner's and especially no patience's.

05-08-2020 10:25AM

almostover wrote: »

Mea culpa, not a widely know thing!

Im sure that it’s intentionally not a widely known thing. Jonathan Healy on Newstalk this morning was not aware until the vintners guy told him

05-08-2020 10:27AM

Longing wrote: »

2m rule has gone out the window in many aspects in society manly due to people who think there are wearing a mask gives them the right to literally touch you when doing your shopping either by stretching across you to pick something up. No manner's and especially no patience's.

This is a key point. There is a belief that masks give the scope for a free for all. A face mask of variable standards is not a substitute for social distancing or sanitation and only serves as a supplementary measure. Anyone identified as a close contact will not be able to use the use of a mask as an excuse to not get a test or isolate.

Seamai · 05-08-2020 10:29AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's just a never again moment. What exactly do you want to do with them? They are probably annoying people any day of the week but they are entitled to their good mental health and night out too.

You're right, this can (and does) happen anytime, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. As regards mental health, if alcohol is the drug of choice, well..... that's a whole other discussion. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is their behaviour, moving around, being too close to people, shouting instead of talking to people less than 0.5m away are some of the reasons why the decision was made to keep drink only pubs closed but it's ok in a restaurant because they ordered (but in some cases didn't eat) food. The place I was in last night was a restaurant with pretty good food not a bar that serves food.

iguana · 05-08-2020 10:30AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Well let's finish all the mask talk on a light note...
https://twitter.com/cameronmattis/status/1287884685717037056?s=20

I'm so tempted to get one of those. Maybe a few to display a range of emotions. Friendly smile mask, resting bitçh face mask, mildly surprised mask, etc.:)

Boggles · 05-08-2020 10:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a key point. There is a belief that masks give the scope for a free for all. A face mask of variable standards is not a substitute for social distancing or sanitation and only serves as a supplementary measure. Anyone identified as a close contact will not be able to use the use of a mask as an excuse to not get a test or isolate.

Wouldn't be my experience.

Masks are a visual reminder to keep your distance.

It's a certain cohort of people not wearing them I find are less likely to adhere to other preventative measures, the type of cretins pre covid wouldn't even respect personal space let alone 2 meters physical distancing.

We mandate for those fúckwíts.

podgeandrodge · 05-08-2020 10:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there 2m social distancing? If so, the 105 minutes does not apply. I had a good 3 and a half hours in my local over dinner and a few pints the other night, as was quiet and there was enough social distancing

Deleted User wrote: »

105 minutes is for when 2m can not be achieved

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/employersemployeesguidance/HPSC%20COVID-19%20guidance%20-%20food.pdf

thelad95 wrote: »

Lad, nowhere in that link does it say the time limit doesn't apply if it's two metres. The time limit applies regardless.

It's people like your "local landlord" that are ruining it for everyone.

Not many people appear to have known this, as it required a bit of reading, and most were too quick to hear "limit" and engage in curtain twitching.

In terms of the 11pm rowback, imo it sends out a poor signal about progress if they can't maintain current rules in the absence of serious issues arising (rather than odd cases). With social distancing in place, it is either safe, or not safe. And if it's safe up to 11pm, it's safe at 12am. Enforcement is another issue, but I haven't seen any evidence of abuse in any pubs I have visited recently.

But I suspect this 11pm rule is designed not for now, but for when they open the pubs in 3 weeks so there is a blanket rule already in place.

NegativeCreep · 05-08-2020 10:40AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Im sorted so:D

Why is there no political party there to carry the voice of the every growing opinion that we just need to get on with it in a responsible manner?

Like do our politicians just lack the guts to make a hard decision?

I think that’s because life is mostly back to normal and most people don’t really care about the pubs being closed. I was in a pub from 6pm to 11pm last Saturday which felt pretty normal. Sure it would’ve been nice to go to a nightclub after but that’s not enough to protest about. People aren’t calling for it as life is mostly back to normal.

caveat emptor · 05-08-2020 10:43AM

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1290916583137738752?s=20

Added value of this study

In this prospective study, diffusion tensor imaging (DTI) and 3D high-resolution T1WI sequences were acquired in 60 recovered COVID-19 patients and 39 age- and sex-matched non-COVID-19 controls.
We found that these recovered COVID-19 patients were more likely to have enlarged olfactory cortices, hippocampi, insulas, Heschl's gyrus, Rolandic operculum and cingulate gyrus, and a general decline of Mean Diffusivity (MD), Axial Diffusivity (AD), Radial Diffusivity (RD)
accompanied with an increase of Fractional Anisotropy (FA) in white matter, especially AD in the right Coronal Radiata (CR),
External Capsule (EC) and Superior Frontal-occipital Fasciculus (SFF), and MD in SFF compared with non-COVID-19 volunteers.

Global Gray Matter Volume (GMV), GMVs in left Rolandic operculum, right cingulate, bilateral hippocampi, left Heschl's gyrus, and Global MD of WM were found to correlate with memory loss. GMVs in right cingulate gyrus and left hippocampus were related to smell loss. MD-GM score, global GMV, and GMV in right cingulate gyrus were correlated with Lactate Dehydrogenase (LDH) level.

Implications of all the available evidence

Our findings revealed possible disruption to micro-structural and functional brain integrity in the recovery stages of COVID-19,
suggesting neuro-invasion potential of SARS-CoV-2.
This requires attention since even if the patients recover well from the pneumonia condition, the neurological changes may cause a great burden. More research in the mechanism and route of neuro-invasion of SARS-CoV-2 is expected.

Worst thing about this study is 78% were classed as mild.

drunkmonkey · 05-08-2020 10:51AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1290916583137738752?s=20

And we're about to experiment with children in schools??
55% of people brain damaged, am I reading that correctly?

hmmm · 05-08-2020 10:52AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

In terms of the 11pm rowback, imo it sends out a poor signal about progress if they can't maintain current rules in the absence of serious issues arising (rather than odd cases). With social distancing in place, it is either safe, or not safe. And if it's safe up to 11pm, it's safe at 12am. Enforcement is another issue, but I haven't seen any evidence of abuse in any pubs I have visited recently.

This is about risk reduction, there is no "safe".

It's not zero risk to go to a pub or a restaurant. We don't know enough about how it spreads, and how people behave, to know what it will mean in terms of cases. If people don't social distance, if pubs don't apply the rules, we'll have more cases and more risk that we have to row back on what is allowed.

The government can only do so much.

podgeandrodge · 05-08-2020 10:56AM

hmmm wrote: »

This is about risk reduction, there is no "safe".

It's not zero risk to go to a pub or a restaurant. We don't know enough about how it spreads, and how people behave, to know what it will mean in terms of cases. If people don't social distance, if pubs don't apply the rules, we'll have more cases and more risk that we have to row back on what is allowed.

The government can only do so much.

Not disagreeing with you! I am just saying that for the sake of an hour or so, this particular change seems unnecessarily petty. Everything has a risk, but we had moved a good while back to restaurants/pubs with food offerings being able to open under strict conditions. Rowing back on that now seems unnecessary in the absence of some sudden problem occurring. If an isolated case or 2 (and I think a lot more) happens in schools will they be as quick to shorten the school day or close them down again?

Pitch n Putt · 05-08-2020 10:56AM

Masks create a much bigger issue with the spread of the virus

Mandatory now in supermarkets and other retail outlets - people put the mask on breathe into it , constantly fix it on their face all the time whilst handling items in these shops

Hand transmission form face to hand.

Then people leave the shops thinking they safe because they had a mask on whilst potentially the virus is all over their hands.

Distancing and hand washing is the only way for general public to control the spread of the virus.

People of this country will know enough about masks in October when the budget is announced and the government come calling for extra taxes etc.

Lots of people must be wearing their masks over their eyes as they cannot see what’s actually coming down the line.

hmmm · 05-08-2020 10:56AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Worst thing about this study is 78% were classed as mild.

Yep, increasing numbers of studies like this emerging. Anyone who thinks that "this is mild and just a flu" need to be ignored as the dangerous and uneducated fools that they are. We simply don't know enough (yet) to be certain about the long-term implications.

The 1918 flu also had a significant legacy of brain damage - there was a wide outbreak of encephalitis shortly afterwards which was linked, along with lots of other more minor impacts.

Gruffalux · 05-08-2020 10:58AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1290916583137738752?s=20

Worst thing about this study is 78% were classed as mild.

This is undeniably nasty looking. I had a look at the lancet link. All the Covid candidates in test had been hospitalised. A fair number as you say were classified mild - but still they were in the hospital cohort.

Nonetheless, another reason to try and not get this feck of a yoke.

We planned to enroll 155 consecutive recovered COVID-19 patients who were discharged from Fuyang No.2 People`s Hospital (the only designated hospital for infectious diseases in Fuyang, Anhui Province) to take MRI and clinical follow-up. The criteria of diagnosis and discharge of COVID-19 patients were based on the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) result according to World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines [21]. The non-COVID-19 volunteers were recruited through social media. Each volunteer agreed to take the MRI scan and finished a questionnaire. Finally, 60 COVID-19 patients and 39 age- and sex-matched non-COVID-19 volunteers were successfully recruited to undertake three-dimensional T1-weighted imaging (3D-T1WI) and DTI scans. No artefacts were observed in their MR images.

Arghus · 05-08-2020 10:59AM

Seamai wrote: »

Was out to eat in Kinsale last night, first time eating indoors since places opened and glad to be in given the miserable wet night it was.
It was obvious that there were several groups of women in the restaurant were hell bent on getting shítfaced, two groups in particular close by who were dolled up to the 9's, late 20's, early 30's ordering wine and spirits like there was no tomorrow. Most of their main courses were sent back to the kitchen untouched, heard one saying "there's nothing wrong with them, we're just not hungry" to the waitress. Besides being loud and annoying they were also moving around far too much to chat to people at other tables.
I'm not much of a pub goer but just how is this behaviour OK when when pubs are being told that they must stay shut as they are too risky?

And never a peep about this kind of carry on from the Vintners Federation.

hmmm · 05-08-2020 11:00AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you! I am just saying that for the sake of an hour or so, this particular change seems unnecessarily petty. Everything has a risk, but we had moved a good while back to restaurants/pubs with food offerings being able to open under strict conditions. Rowing back on that now seems unnecessary in the absence of some sudden problem occurring. If an isolated case or 2 (and I think a lot more) happens in schools will they be as quick to shorten the school day or close them down again?

I'm not sure it's an hour though is it? It's more like 2 hours at the weekend. I can't see this affecting responsible restaurants and pubs all that much.

We're going to have to fight through to keep schools open, they're too important. If there are some outbreaks (and there will be), we'll try to keep them open. Same as for example supermarkets or public transport. A series of outbreaks in pubs which don't serve the same importance could see us rowing back on opening them (I presume). We'd need to see huge problems to shut schools again - although personally I think it's a real risk as we head into Winter.

Boggles · 05-08-2020 11:01AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

People of this country will know enough about masks in October when the budget is announced and the government come calling for extra taxes etc.

Mask tax?

05-08-2020 11:01AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1290916583137738752?s=20

Worst thing about this study is 78% were classed as mild.

61% treated with Oxygen, 97% with anti viral therapy - this was a study of those with severe symptoms. Maybe 78% were relatively mild, but they had pneumonia. And pneumonia causes neurological effects through lack of oxygen.

gmisk · 05-08-2020 11:01AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Masks create a much bigger issue with the spread of the virus

Mandatory now in supermarkets and other retail outlets - people put the mask on breathe into it , constantly fix it on their face all the time whilst handling items in these shops

Hand transmission form face to hand.

Then people leave the shops thinking they safe because they had a mask on whilst potentially the virus is all over their hands.

Distancing and hand washing is the only way for general public to control the spread of the virus.

People of this country will know enough about masks in October when the budget is announced and the government come calling for extra taxes etc.

Lots of people must be wearing their masks over their eyes as they cannot see what’s actually coming down the line.

Masks have proven beneficial in other countries it's as simple as that.

I am not saying people in Ireland do not need to be educated about correct use they do I would expect the ads etc to ramp up on this. But I would feel a lot happier on a bus where everyone is wearing a mask than where no one is.

mr zulu · 05-08-2020 11:02AM

hmmm wrote: »

Yep, increasing numbers of studies like this emerging. Anyone who thinks that "this is mild and just a flu" need to be ignored as the dangerous and uneducated fools that they are. We simply don't know enough (yet) to be certain about the long-term implications.

The 1918 flu also had a significant legacy of brain damage - there was a wide outbreak of encephalitis shortly afterwards which was linked, along with lots of other more minor impacts.

Flu also can affect the brain, simple google search.

schmoo2k · 05-08-2020 11:04AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Masks create a much bigger issue with the spread of the virus

Mandatory now in supermarkets and other retail outlets - people put the mask on breathe into it , constantly fix it on their face all the time whilst handling items in these shops

Hand transmission form face to hand.

Then people leave the shops thinking they safe because they had a mask on whilst potentially the virus is all over their hands.

Distancing and hand washing is the only way for general public to control the spread of the virus.

People of this country will know enough about masks in October when the budget is announced and the government come calling for extra taxes etc.

Lots of people must be wearing their masks over their eyes as they cannot see what’s actually coming down the line.

That is a pretty big generalisation and I suspect "some" might be more accurate than "all". Most people know that masks protect others from you more than you from others.

Polar101 · 05-08-2020 11:08AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Global Gray Matter Volume (GMV), GMVs in left Rolandic operculum, right cingulate, bilateral hippocampi, left Heschl's gyrus, and Global MD of WM

I won't pretend I understand any of the words above.

Anyway, weren't these patients all hospitalised, so they'd be unlikely to get through the disease with any kind of damage? Would be interesting to see what their situation is in a few months time.

podgeandrodge · 05-08-2020 11:10AM

Seamai wrote: »

Was out to eat in Kinsale last night, first time eating indoors since places opened and glad to be in given the miserable wet night it was.
It was obvious that there were several groups of women in the restaurant were hell bent on getting shítfaced, two groups in particular close by who were dolled up to the 9's, late 20's, early 30's ordering wine and spirits like there was no tomorrow. Most of their main courses were sent back to the kitchen untouched, heard one saying "there's nothing wrong with them, we're just not hungry" to the waitress. Besides being loud and annoying they were also moving around far too much to chat to people at other tables.
I'm not much of a pub goer but just how is this behaviour OK when when pubs are being told that they must stay shut as they are too risky?

Jaysus, you must have been there for a long time to watch all this. Dolled up to the 9's is bad enough but not eating their food - do they not realise that it is the food that was protecting them against Covid :eek:
And then the hammer blow - they were in late 20s/early 30s - how dare they :P

Arghus wrote: »

And never a peep about this kind of carry on from the Vintners Federation.

This kind of carry on? Drink feck girls! Anecdotal from "not much of a pub goer" and isn't representative of the vast majority of normal people having a bite to eat and having a few jars. You don't expect the Vintners Federation to come out and say "we'll be putting a stop to young wans talking to people at the next table and dressing up" do you

hmmm · 05-08-2020 11:13AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You don't expect the Vintners Federation to come out and say "we'll be putting a stop to young wans talking to people at the next table and dressing up" do you

That's what they've been asked to do - if pubs don't think they can do that, they should be shut. You don't typically find people wandering around tables at a restaurant.

polesheep · 05-08-2020 11:14AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

And we're about to experiment with children in schools??
55% of people brain damaged, am I reading that correctly?

The other 45% don't bother reading that nonsense.

caveat emptor · 05-08-2020 11:15AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

This is undeniably nasty looking. I had a look at the lancet link. All the Covid candidates in test had been hospitalised. A fair number as you say were classified mild - but still they were in the hospital cohort.

Nonetheless, another reason to try and not get this feck of a yoke.

Yeah, not great.
It is peer reviewed.
It's a small sample.
They were all classed as "mild" which included pneumonia so not super mild.

Tallies with what others have reported.

ACE2 is key. Reading that under 10s don't have that many and hence much smaller number's of symptomatic infections in that age group.

iguana · 05-08-2020 11:22AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

This is undeniably nasty looking. I had a look at the lancet link. All the Covid candidates in test had been hospitalised. A fair number as you say were classified mild - but still they were in the hospital cohort.

I'd add that the most common neurological symptoms listed are mood change, fatigue and headache. I don't want to be dismissive of people's symptoms but if you are sick for months experiencing 'mood change' is probably quite normal. Most of the long term symptoms associated with Covid involve difficulty breathing, which is genuinely very tiring. And having headaches after an illness is pretty normal as you are probably having less exercise, your diet is different, probably lack of vitamin D or other deficiencies, etc.

stephenjmcd · 05-08-2020 11:25AM

"Significant clusters of new Covid-19 cases have been identified in direct provision centres, among the Traveller community and in meat factories, according to advice given to Government by public health officials.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) highlighted the number of clusters in all three settings and among people in the Roma community and in homelessness services when warning against entering into Phase Four of the Government’s Roadmap for Reopening Society and Business."

Further down in the article,

"This included 21 outbreaks in Direct Provision Centres involving 235 individual cases – and 47 new cases centre in four clusters were identified in the last week.

Separately, there have been 10 coronavirus outbreaks among the Traveller Community which involved 89 people testing positive for Covid-19. In the past week, 21 new cases relating to two clusters have been linked to the Traveller community.

Health officials identified 51 workplace clusters of the virus with almost half (24) linked to meat processing plants around the country. There have been two outbreaks in meat factories in the last week involving 47 new cases."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nphet-highlights-clusters-in-direct-provision-centres-and-among-traveller-and-roma-communities-39425359.html?__twitter_impression=true

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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