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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #5972
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Just a thought about Ireland's approach - at one point in April (I think) or so we were featuring constantly in the top 10 worst countries re Covid. Other countries were doing much better than us and at one point we looked calamitous with 77 deaths in one day. We managed nursing homes disgracefully. Maybe our living habits put us closer to the gregarious Italians than the circumspect Northern Europeans? We don't kiss each other on greeting but we sure do slobber over each other elsewhere.

    Latvia has almost a third of our population in 2 thirds of our space. They have had very 32 deaths.
    Slovakia has same population in about half the space as us, they have had 29 deaths.
    Hungary has twice our population in about the same space as us, and they have had 600 deaths.
    I do not think their is ''incessant fear'' - most people I know are just being sensible and stoic - but maybe we just did not do all that well managing Covid in the first place and we need to have a better game now?

    Cast your mind back to the days when covid19 wasn't a thing. Visualise it.

    Remember the hse and its performance?

    800k on waiting lists, children with scoliosis waiting years, people dieing on trolleys, people going blind while waiting for standard tests.
    Scandal after scandal. Overspend after overspend

    A pandemic came along. The result was always going to be shīte


  • #5973
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    We mostly just benchmarked ourselves against the U.K. and they performed abysmally, so it was a very low benchmark.


  • #5974
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    COVID-zero cohort pushing hard again. It seems they are experts in economics as well!
    A group of Irish scientists has said Ireland is heading into a long-term "social and economic catastrophe" if it does not adopt a "zero-covid" policy.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0804/1157355-zero-covid-island/


  • #5975
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭ [Deleted User]


    almostover wrote: »
    Because many establishments were letting people drink on after their meals for as long as they liked if they had a late seating. My GFs sister spent 5 hours in Clancys in Cork one evening. People took the p*ss with the 105mins and now we face the consequences.

    Was there 2m social distancing? If so, the 105 minutes does not apply. I had a good 3 and a half hours in my local over dinner and a few pints the other night, as was quiet and there was enough social distancing


  • #5976
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Cast your mind back to the days when covid19 wasn't a thing. Visualise it.

    Remember the hse and its performance?

    800k on waiting lists, children with scoliosis waiting years, people dieing on trolleys, people going blind while waiting for standard tests.
    Scandal after scandal. Overspend after overspend

    A pandemic came along. The result was always going to be shīte

    The result did not need to be so sh1te. In my opinion.
    The nursing homes could have been protected.
    We have waffled about masks ad infinitum since the beginning when we could have just been sensible. I wore masks from March and mainly because one of my children living in Europe was making them for the neighbours and everyone was on board with that kind of normal scientifically-sensible precaution.
    The things we could have done better did not necessitate us having a brilliant health service - and I know full well we do not. They were just sensible things. I think we are being more sensible now, for what it's worth. Schools before pubs. Drink a pint outside.


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  • #5977
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Was out to eat in Kinsale last night, first time eating indoors since places opened and glad to be in given the miserable wet night it was.
    It was obvious that there were several groups of women in the restaurant were hell bent on getting shítfaced, two groups in particular close by who were dolled up to the 9's, late 20's, early 30's ordering wine and spirits like there was no tomorrow. Most of their main courses were sent back to the kitchen untouched, heard one saying "there's nothing wrong with them, we're just not hungry" to the waitress. Besides being loud and annoying they were also moving around far too much to chat to people at other tables.
    I'm not much of a pub goer but just how is this behaviour OK when when pubs are being told that they must stay shut as they are too risky?


  • #5978
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was there 2m social distancing? If so, the 105 minutes does not apply. I had a good 3 and a half hours in my local over dinner and a few pints the other night, as was quiet and there was enough social distancing

    Outdoor or indoor?


  • #5979
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Cast your mind back to the days when covid19 wasn't a thing. Visualise it.

    Remember the hse and its performance?

    800k on waiting lists, children with scoliosis waiting years, people dieing on trolleys, people going blind while waiting for standard tests.
    Scandal after scandal. Overspend after overspend

    A pandemic came along. The result was always going to be shīte

    Except it hasn't been


  • #5980
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Renjit wrote: »
    Outdoor or indoor?

    Indoor


  • #5981
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was there 2m social distancing? If so, the 105 minutes does not apply. I had a good 3 and a half hours in my local over dinner and a few pints the other night, as was quiet and there was enough social distancing

    105 minutes is for when 2m can not be achieved

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/employersemployeesguidance/HPSC%20COVID-19%20guidance%20-%20food.pdf


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  • #5982
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    We mostly just benchmarked ourselves against the U.K. and they performed abysmally, so it was a very low benchmark.

    In my opinion that's what kept people compliant. The thought that they were one upping the UK in something so serious I think made a lot of people here smug when really we were a bit of a flop for our size. Compare us to countries of near or equal population, Denmark, Finland, Slovakia we had very high cases and deaths.


  • #5983
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    is_that_so wrote: »
    COVID-zero cohort pushing hard again. It seems they are experts in economics as well!



    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0804/1157355-zero-covid-island/

    I see Gerry Killeen is one of the signituries to it.enough said


  • #5984
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Seamai wrote: »
    Was out to eat in Kinsale last night, first time eating indoors since places opened and glad to be in given the miserable wet night it was.
    It was obvious that there were several groups of women in the restaurant were hell bent on getting shítfaced, two groups in particular close by who were dolled up to the 9's, late 20's, early 30's ordering wine and spirits like there was no tomorrow. Most of their main courses were sent back to the kitchen untouched, heard one saying "there's nothing wrong with it, we're just not hungry" to the waitress. Besides being loud and annoying they were also moving around far too much to chat to people at other tables.
    I'm not much of a pub goer but just how is this behaviour OK when when pubs are being told that they must stay shut as they are too risky?
    That's just a never again moment. What exactly do you want to do with them? They are probably annoying people any day of the week but they are entitled to their good mental health and night out too.


  • #5985
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Except it hasn't been

    It has. Look at similar countries


  • #5986
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Except it hasn't been

    It really has been a poor show compared to other similar countries.


  • #5987
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    I see Gerry Killeen is one of the signituries to it.enough said
    Sadly this tends to be the case, ditto McConkey. I am disappointed to see Scally's name come up so often in relation to this, though.


  • #5988
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I like wearing a mask and with sunglasses too. It allows you to creep on ones in shops virtually unnoticed.

    Ughh, drooly mask :pac:


  • #5989
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    spookwoman wrote: »
    If people are wearing masks and following proper guild lines then yes there will be fewer people getting infected.

    Isn't there a mask thread? Most dissenting voices were banned from the mask thread, so now it's being brought onto this thread to stir things up.


  • #5990
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    105 minutes is for when 2m can not be achieved

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/employersemployeesguidance/HPSC%20COVID-19%20guidance%20-%20food.pdf

    Yes, not many people are aware of that, and quick to give out about people staying in pubs for more than 105 minutes. To be fair, it is buried in the legislation, and not made clear in the messaging, probably intentionally

    Fortunately, my local landlord knows the rules and is happy to let us stay as long as we want, as long as it’s not busy enough that there is less than 2m distancing between groups


  • #5991
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, not many people are aware of that, and quick to give out about people staying in pubs for more than 105 minutes. To be fair, it is buried in the legislation, and not made clear in the messaging, probably intentionally

    Fortunately, my local landlord knows the rules and is happy to let us stay as long as we want as long as it’s not busy enough that there is less than 2m distancing between groups
    This is the common sense approach if they are following all the other regulations.


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  • #5992
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    polesheep wrote: »
    Isn't there a mask thread? Most dissenting voices were banned from the mask thread, so now it's being brought onto this thread to stir things up.

    Well let's finish all the mask talk on a light note...
    https://twitter.com/cameronmattis/status/1287884685717037056?s=20


  • #5993
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    polesheep wrote: »
    Isn't there a mask thread? Most dissenting voices were banned from the mask thread, so now it's being brought onto this thread to stir things up.

    Banning creates echo chamber?


  • #5994
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It has. Look at similar countries

    Belgium, Netherlands, France..all well known for their sh*t health services. And not that far out of kilter with Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Canada etc, given we know we over counted by c.500 deaths


  • #5995
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    spookwoman wrote: »
    If people are wearing masks and following proper guild lines then yes there will be fewer people getting infected.
    Guidelines first and marks are really for large gatherings of people. As it's a cluster disease it'll more likely hit your nearest and dearest than someone 10ft away from you in a shop.


  • #5996
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's just a never again moment. What exactly do you want to do with them? They are probably annoying people any day of the week but they are entitled to their good mental health and night out too.

    There not if they put other people at risk of infection by getting ****faced
    and no social distancing, and how is consuming large amounts of alcohol good for there mental health. Lest we forget

    https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/health-effects-of-alcohol/mental-health/alcohol-and-mental-health
    While the effects of alcohol can sometimes have a short term positive impact on our mood, in the long term it can cause problems for mental health. Drinking alcohol is linked to a range of mental health issues from depression and memory loss, to suicide.

    Shin


  • #5997
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Guidelines first and marks are really for large gatherings of people. As it's a cluster disease it'll more likely hit your nearest and dearest than someone 10ft away from you in a shop.

    If the air is recirculated it can.


  • #5998
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭almostover


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was there 2m social distancing? If so, the 105 minutes does not apply. I had a good 3 and a half hours in my local over dinner and a few pints the other night, as was quiet and there was enough social distancing

    It does apply, an establishment must do both. 2m spacing and 105 mins limit.


  • #5999
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, not many people are aware of that, and quick to give out about people staying in pubs for more than 105 minutes. To be fair, it is buried in the legislation, and not made clear in the messaging, probably intentionally

    Fortunately, my local landlord knows the rules and is happy to let us stay as long as we want, as long as it’s not busy enough that there is less than 2m distancing between groups

    Lad, nowhere in that link does it say the time limit doesn't apply if it's two metres. The time limit applies regardless.

    It's people like your "local landlord" that are ruining it for everyone.


  • #6000
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    shinzon wrote: »
    There not if they put other people at risk of infection by getting ****faced
    and no social distancing, and how is consuming large amounts of alcohol good for there mental health. Lest we forget

    https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/health-effects-of-alcohol/mental-health/alcohol-and-mental-health

    Shin

    "Mental health" has become a bit of a buzz word throughout the whole crisis. At first people need to be able to travel more than 2km for mental health (which I can sort of rationalise), now they need to get smashed drunk

    If getting locked is being used as a treatment for mental health issues we have bigger issues with drink and mental health than I thought


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  • #6001
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    almostover wrote: »
    It does apply, an establishment must do both. 2m spacing and 105 mins limit.
    Wrong. They should try but it is not a blocker.

    From the HSE site:
    Physical distancing of 2-metres should be maintained between tables. However, if
    this is not possible, this can be reduced to 1 metre in controlled environments if all
    of the other risk mitigations requirements outlined have been met AND pre-booked
    time-limited slots are in place, which are a maximum of 1 hour 45 minutes duration.
    There should be a minimum of 15 minutes between bookings in order to allow for
    adequate cleaning and to allow customers to leave and enter, without mixing


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