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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #5942
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Like do our politicians just lack the guts to make a hard decision?

    You think the decision yesterday was the easy one?


  • #5943
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Im sorted so:D

    Why is there no political party there to carry the voice of the every growing opinion that we just need to get on with it in a responsible manner?

    Like do our politicians just lack the guts to make a hard decision?

    Trust me not opening pubs in Ireland is a hard decision!!


  • #5944
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    Threads gone full tinfoil hat.

    Dá Gubbbbbbbbbbbberment


  • #5945
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Does anyone know why casinos have to remain closed?

    It's not exactly Las Vegas here and from my limited time in casinos here, it's not a place they serve alcohol.

    Some of them certainly do. Your booze is free so long as you stay at a table. Then you've a ton of common surfaces (chips, machine handles etc) and everyone standing over the same table. Lastly, I can tell you from experience that few casino regulars are showing up in James Bond tuxes - hygiene can be quite hit and miss at the best of times.


  • #5946
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,586 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Im sorted so:D

    Why is there no political party there to carry the voice of the every growing opinion that we just need to get on with it in a responsible manner?

    Like do our politicians just lack the guts to make a hard decision?
    I think there is a general belief that when it comes to numbers etc Ireland has done "fairly" well. But the world is kind of muddling through the situation as it is, there is not exactly a right or wrong way to do things, it's fairly unprecedented. Ireland is definitely a lot more cautious than most other countries when it comes to easing some restrictions.


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  • #5947
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,231 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Im sorted so:D

    Why is there no political party there to carry the voice of the every growing opinion that we just need to get on with it in a responsible manner?

    Like do our politicians just lack the guts to make a hard decision?

    You have a strange idea of what a hard decision is. Keeping things closed was the hard decision.

    As for the growing opinion: No doubt its growing but is very much in the minority.


  • #5948
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,104 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    spookwoman wrote: »
    And because you saw 1 person touching their mask everyone else does the same.....
    This argument has been going on since the start and the same excuses are still being used but this time by people who don't want to wear them.

    I've seen hundreds, will you at least admit there are dangers associated with them as it's appearing like you think they are risk free.


  • #5949
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    gmisk wrote: »
    I think there is a general belief that when it comes to numbers etc Ireland has done "fairly" well. But the world is kind of muddling through the situation as it is, there is not exactly a right or wrong way to do things, it's fairly unprecedented. Ireland is definitely a lot more cautious than most other countries when it comes to easing some restrictions.

    Ive no issue with the non opening of pubs.

    It is the fear driven agenda in Ireland that is the big difference.

    This COVID obsession.

    It just is not like that in other countrys ive visited during COVID and I feel sad to have to return to the misery.


  • #5950
    spookwoman
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I've seen hundreds, will you at least admit there are dangers associated with them as it's appearing like you think they are risk free.

    No one has said they are 100% effective but if it means fewer people getting infected then its a good thing.


  • #5951
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You have a strange idea of what a hard decision is. Keeping things closed was the hard decision.

    As for the growing opinion: No doubt its growing but is very much in the minority.

    You joking??? I think it is very easy to do fck all and make no changes.

    It is very easy to play it ultra safe.

    The mentality in Ireland is obscene.

    I needed to check if it was just me but ive visited countries on continent in recent weeks and they treat COVID much more realistically than Ireland.

    Society breaths, there is no incessant fear.


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  • #5952
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Health professional are not wearing cloth and home made masks don't kid yourself, there also trained in how to use them. Grabbing my coffee this morning the person behind the counter pulled up their chin strap to their mouth before touching my goods they needed to scan, it's a joke the way there being used.
    I've watched the NEPHT meetings from the start along with interviews with Cillian De Gascun on TV, they all have hesitations on masks as there are clear dangers with improper use.


    I see where you are coming from. That was the Bull****!t argument in feb/March/April when we didn’t have enough PPE for health care workers let alone normal people.

    There was a very real worry once people understood how this transmitted that people wouldn’t show up for work. That really would have made hospitals a disaster.

    Luckily that was averted by lying to everyone. Only 8000 healthcare workers got infected. (32%) of all our cases.

    We’ve now got masks and that little lie has served it’s function. We can all move on safe in the knowledge that our collective ignorance saved lives on balance. Not every life mind you. But trade offs you know. So keep up.


  • #5953
    Boggles
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    BringBackMick wrote: »

    I needed to check if it was just me but ive visited countries on continent in recent weeks and they treat COVID much more realistically than Ireland.

    Which ones?


  • #5954
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,231 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I've seen hundreds, will you at least admit there are dangers associated with them as it's appearing like you think they are risk free.

    I'm in favour of masks but agree the standard of use leaves a lot to be desired. People need to be educated on mask wearing.


  • #5955
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Boggles wrote: »
    Which ones?

    LATVIA, SLOVAKIA, HUNGARY


  • #5956
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,104 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    spookwoman wrote: »
    No one has said they are 100% effective but if it means fewer people getting infected then its a good thing.

    It doesn't mean fewer people get infected. It does if all other guidelines are being followed and there being used properly which they aren't.

    Anyway I'm back off out to show my beautiful face to the world for the day.


  • #5957
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/COVID-19-use-face-masks-community.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwih5PG_yYPrAhXHUhUIHbAjDhAQFjAEegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0Abd_XU9ROJ58U8Lpkgivb&cshid=1596613829402

    "There is a risk that improper removal of the face mask, handling of a contaminated face mask or an
    increased tendency to touch the face while wearing a face mask by healthy persons might actually
    increase the risk of transmission."

    Sorry about the massive link.

    Definitely wear a face mask but just don't be stupid and wear the same manky thing over and over. Think about where your hands are going.


  • #5958
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,104 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I'm in favour of masks but agree the standard of use leaves a lot to be desired. People need to be educated on mask wearing.

    Definitely, should be mandatory course for everyone.


  • #5959
    almostover
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Whatever the reason, putting it back by an hour is only pissing people off, both customers who might go in late for that 105 minutes say at 10pm, and bars which have got used to a process and might now have to consider whether it's worth opening if the last entry to their premises for less than 2 hours is at 9pm.

    How were they debating until a couple of days ago whether to open up all pubs without food, only to conclude not to today and also pull the restaurants/pub restaurants back to 11pm?

    Because many establishments were letting people drink on after their meals for as long as they liked if they had a late seating. My GFs sister spent 5 hours in Clancys in Cork one evening. People took the p*ss with the 105mins and now we face the consequences.


  • #5960
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    August and still people insist on having the mask debate.

    :rolleyes:


  • #5961
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    I like wearing a mask and with sunglasses too. It allows you to creep on ones in shops virtually unnoticed.


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  • #5962
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Donnelly weasiling out and blaming NHPET.


  • #5963
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Boggles wrote: »
    August and still people insist on having the mask debate.

    :rolleyes:

    Not just debate but our government has fcuked up.
    August and they are now making masks mandatory in retail.

    Maybe around October and they might make them mandatory in other indoor buildings.


  • #5964
    Boggles
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    BringBackMick wrote: »
    LATVIA, SLOVAKIA, HUNGARY

    Did you just look up the 3 countries with the lowest rates of the virus and copy and paste them here?

    Full Caps was a bit odd.


  • #5965
    spookwoman
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It doesn't mean fewer people get infected. It does if all other guidelines are being followed and there being used properly which they aren't.

    Anyway I'm back off out to show my beautiful face to the world for the day.

    If people are wearing masks and following proper guild lines then yes there will be fewer people getting infected.


  • #5966
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I like wearing a mask and with sunglasses too. It allows you to creep on ones in shops virtually unnoticed.

    You need the hat with the sun visor to really complete the look :D


  • #5967
    statto25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭statto25


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Definitely, should be mandatory course for everyone.


    Dont know how a course would work but a nice little ad showing how the virus goes up your nose and into your mouth would certainly get the point across. Met a gent in his 50s yesterday wearing a mask, not covering his nose and only covering his chin and bottom lip so he could talk more clearly. He might as well have wore it on his arse.


  • #5968
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    spookwoman wrote: »
    You need the hat with the sun visor to really complete the look :D

    Next level creeping 😂


  • #5969
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You know there's very little things peer reviewed at this stage, it's all an ongoing experiment.
    Sorry it's Norway https://www.thelocal.no/20200611/norway-doubles-down-on-no-face-mask-policy

    To be clear, your point is if we wear masks then there will be 25 less covid cases a week? Sounds reasonable to me!


  • #5970
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    You joking??? I think it is very easy to do fck all and make no changes.

    It is very easy to play it ultra safe.

    The mentality in Ireland is obscene.

    I needed to check if it was just me but ive visited countries on continent in recent weeks and they treat COVID much more realistically than Ireland.

    Society breaths, there is no incessant fear.

    Just a thought about Ireland's approach - at one point in April (I think) or so we were featuring constantly in the top 10 worst countries re Covid. Other countries were doing much better than us and at one point we looked calamitous with 77 deaths in one day. We managed nursing homes disgracefully. Maybe our living habits put us closer to the gregarious Italians than the circumspect Northern Europeans? We don't kiss each other on greeting but we sure do slobber over each other elsewhere.

    Latvia has almost a third of our population in 2 thirds of our space. They have had very 32 deaths.
    Slovakia has same population in about half the space as us, they have had 29 deaths.
    Hungary has twice our population in about the same space as us, and they have had 600 deaths.
    I do not think there is ''incessant fear'' - most people I know are just being sensible and stoic - but maybe we just did not do all that well managing Covid in the first place and we need to have a better game now?


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  • #5971
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I'm not a big fan of the continued pushing back of reopening either but in all fairness choosing to keep things closed is a hard decision.
    It seems the actual decision making is the hard part!


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