Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

fritzelly · 04-08-2020 11:28PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are restaurants/gaestro pubs being ordered to put people out by 11pm?

Have there been any positive covid cases traced back to restaurants/pubs here in Ireland?

Nope - but in Europe there has and that dictates policy in Ireland

Widdensushi · 04-08-2020 11:28PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm really not able for increased cases. We were doing so good for a few weeks. We should have went with a plan for elimination and not have the lockdown we had and then invite infection back into the country when we were doing good. There have been crap advice and measures from the beginning of this. Mandatory masks for retail now, five months later, it should be mandatory masks for all indoor places.

Eliminate all the positive cases, might fall under genocide

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 11:28PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are restaurants/gaestro pubs being ordered to put people out by 11pm?

Have there been any positive covid cases traced back to restaurants/pubs here in Ireland?

As of the press conference last Thursday, no.

polesheep · 04-08-2020 11:30PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

There is no scenario were wearing a mask will increase your chances of getting covid. Which is what your post claimed.

There is, sharing masks. Incredible as it seems, it happens.

timsey tiger · 04-08-2020 11:30PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Nope - but in Europe there has and that dictates policy in Ireland

It shows us that these are relatively risky environments.

Itssoeasy · 04-08-2020 11:30PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are restaurants/gaestro pubs being ordered to put people out by 11pm?

Have there been any positive covid cases traced back to restaurants/pubs here in Ireland?

I didn't see the press conference so I'm not sure. I think the CMO or someone said last week there were no clusters associated with pubs but that's changed with a pub in Clare I think.

fritzelly · 04-08-2020 11:32PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

It shows us that these are relatively risky environments.

IIRC there was like 3 reported outbreaks linked to bars, ignoring the UK ones since they were jammers and no controls in place

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 11:32PM

I'd say they're linking the community transmission cases to restaurants, that's the only explanation I can think of

fritzelly · 04-08-2020 11:33PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didn't see the press conference so I'm not sure. I think the CMO or someone said last week there were no clusters associated with pubs but that's changed with a pub in Clare I think.

When was that? Which pub?

GooglePlus · 04-08-2020 11:36PM

We've been told for months now that improper use of a mask can do more harm than good. If you're using a disposable mask over and over or not washing a reusable, all you're doing is sticking a home for bacteria/virus on your face.

Itssoeasy · 04-08-2020 11:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd say they're linking the community transmission cases to restaurants, that's the only explanation I can think of

I mean I don't know how the messaging of covid-19 has become so off with the change of government, because the public health team hasn't changed and their advice was very good since march but this new government seems to be not being as clear IMO. And I agree about pubs not having clear advice on what they needed to open and hearing publicans say they ordered stock before the original opening and five days before had no guidelines. Regardless of what sector it is that's not fair. Lack of clarity.

04-08-2020 11:38PM

Just back from ikea, buying some boxes and packaging for a house move. I’d say around 40% of people were wearing masks in the queue for the checkouts, which was rammed at closing time.

Some skanger in the queue behind me with no mask coughing and vaping. Left some of my boxes to form a barrier to keep her away from me. Actually came home and had a shower

I’m no lockdown merchant and have been more vocal on the relaxation of restrictions side. But f**k me, after that experience I’m all for making masks mandatory in shops, and Monday can’t come soon enough

04-08-2020 11:39PM

I think we all know how things are going to pan out. We keep kicking the can further and further down the road because of the schools. (Baffling... but ok)

The schools reopen using the ridiculous “plan” in place.

Some parents will refuse to send their kids as it’s not in line with public health advise.

Eventually, some kids will get sick and there is no real protocol in place, so the school will panic and close. More parents will then pull their kids out.

Protests will happen eventually as the government lose control of the situation.

Itssoeasy · 04-08-2020 11:39PM

fritzelly wrote: »

When was that? Which pub?

It didn't say but I'm almost sure there was mention of a pub in Clare on rte.ie related to covid-19. If I wrong I apologise.

ExMachina1000 · 04-08-2020 11:41PM

If you book into a hotel you get residents bar access until the wee hours.

Iv heard it, iv witnessed it I know its true

PokeHerKing · 04-08-2020 11:42PM

polesheep wrote: »

There is, sharing masks. Incredible as it seems, it happens.

Again, you're going to be sharing with someone who is covid positive in your scenario? So you're into chicken and egg arguments. As you'd most likely get it either way.

It's unnecessary semantics and you're either a lunatic or an idiot for thinking you're safer and less of a risk to others without a mask.

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 11:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think we all know how things are going to pan out. We keep kicking the can further and further down the road because of the schools. (Baffling... but ok)

The schools reopen using the ridiculous “plan” in place.

Some parents will refuse to send their kids as it’s not in line with public health advise.

Eventually, some kids will get sick and there is no real protocol in place, so the school will panic and close. More parents will then pull their kids out.

Protests will happen eventually as the government lose control of the situation.

I don't think there will be protests but it's ridiculous that no attention is being given by the media to this ridiculous plan. It's hopeless.

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 11:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just back from ikea, buying some boxes and packaging for a house move. I’d say around 40% of people were wearing masks in the queue for the checkouts, which was rammed at closing time.

Some skanger in the queue behind me with no mask coughing and vaping. Left some of my boxes to form a barrier to keep her away from me. Actually came home and had a shower

I’m no lockdown merchant and have been more vocal on the relaxation of restrictions side. But f**k me, after that experience I’m all for making masks mandatory in shops, and Monday can’t come soon enough

What are people's experiences like in their counties? I can only speak for Cork City, and I'm seeing 80-90% compliance. Everyone from old people to little kids wearing masks, and we've had just 2 cases over the past 4 days.

GooglePlus · 04-08-2020 11:44PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Again, you're going to be sharing with someone who is covid positive in your scenario? So you're into chicken and egg arguments. As you'd most likely get it either way.

It's unnecessary semantics and you're either a lunatic or an idiot for thinking you're safer and less of a risk to others without a mask.

You're safer with a mask, if used properly.

Imagine touching your mask and then rubbing your eyes afterwards, you could easily transfer covid into your body.

They're mainly for stopping the spread of Covid, not preventing you from getting it but that's just a possible scenario.

PokeHerKing · 04-08-2020 11:49PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We've been told for months now that improper use of a mask can do more harm than good. If you're using a disposable mask over and over or not washing a reusable, all you're doing is sticking a home for bacteria/virus on your face.

The point of a mask is to stop people expelling airborne droplets of covid. When everyone's wearing one the risk of airborne particles is pretty much zero. So no particles will be on your mask that are not your own. If you have it already, the mask won't help you. But it means you haven't spat it out at anyone else while shopping/travelling on a bus etc.

It's not fcuking rocket science. It can still spread even if we're all masked but it will be way less than if none or only half of us are wearing them.

Arghus · 04-08-2020 11:51PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree with saying this is only optics.

If politicians open pubs now and cases spike, and we can't open schools as a consequence they will be crucified by the public - and rightly so. The headlines write themselves. Notice how SF are saying absolutely nothing?

The only thing that's missing here is they haven't been clear enough with publicans and their staff. "It's unlikely pubs will be able to reopen, we need cases to start declining, if they do decline we'll reconsider it, in the meantime here is the proposed bailout to see you through to a vaccine. We'd also like you to look for another job in the meantime." - that should have been the message.

Your assessment of SF's quietness is spot on. The ultimate hurlers on the ditch. The truth is no one knows the outcome of the next few weeks and it's only in retrospect that things will be known for sure.

SF were all over, all over, the green list because it was an easy slam dunk at bashing the government. But they are as quiet as a mouse about the pubs because they know saying one thing now could come back to haunt them. When even the politically cynical are afraid to speak it's obviously a touch and go situation.

GooglePlus · 04-08-2020 11:53PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

The point of a mask is to stop people expelling airborne droplets of covid. When everyone's wearing one the risk of airborne particles is pretty much zero. So no particles will be on your mask that are not your own. If you have it already, the mask won't help you. But it means you haven't spat it out at anyone else while shopping/travelling on a bus etc.

It's not fcuking rocket science. It can still spread even if we're all masked but it will be way less than if none or only half of us are wearing them.

I wasn't disputing the effectiveness of mask wearing, I'm just mentioning the risks of improper use of masks.

In your perfect world everyone is wearing one and wearing one properly but we know that's not the case, so taking precautions when wearing a mask will only benefit you.

PokeHerKing · 04-08-2020 11:57PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I wasn't disputing the effectiveness of mask wearing, I'm just mentioning the risks of improper use of masks.

In your perfect world everyone is wearing one and wearing one properly but we know that's not the case, so taking precautions when wearing a mask will only benefit you.

You're adding to the crazies by being pedantic and arguing that the average punter needs a degree to wear a mask.

We're not working in labs with high viral loads or doctors on covid wards looking after patients.

Masks work is the only message we need.

GooglePlus · 04-08-2020 11:58PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

You're adding to the crazies by being pedantic and arguing that the average punter needs a degree to wear a mask.

We're not working in labs with high viral loads or doctors on covid wards looking after patients.

Masks work is the only message we need.

No, it's just the only message you want.

Being safe isn't crazy.

polesheep · 05-08-2020 12:01AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't think there will be protests but it's ridiculous that no attention is being given by the media to this ridiculous plan. It's hopeless.

It depends on what you see as a protest. Large crowds marching through the streets is unlikely to happen. Small scale protests, both favouring restrictions and opposing restrictions are to my mind becoming more likely with the way the government is handling decision making and communications.

podgeandrodge · 05-08-2020 12:05AM

LegallyAbroad wrote: »

Schools are essential to a functioning society. Pubs are not.

Nah. If every kid under 10 skipped a year's education I'm sure they would catch up. Whereas nobody would recover from missing going to the pub for a year. Common sense!

Scoondal · 05-08-2020 12:06AM

County Cork : 6 cases in 7 days, in a population of 543,000 people (census 2016) 27 July to 2 August. Our tourist industry is limping through the summer. Pubs shut. Tourists being stopped outside restaurants with staff wearing visors. No weddings. People paying huge money to be treated like dirt.
If there is a case, shut it down, trace contacts. You can't shut us all down if there are no cases.

Scoondal · 05-08-2020 12:08AM

Scoondal wrote: »

County Cork : 6 cases in 7 days, 27 July to 2 August. Our tourist industry is limping through the summer. Pubs shut. Tourists being stopped outside restaurants with staff wearing visors. No weddings. People paying huge money to be treated like dirt.
If there is a case, shut it down, trace contacts. You can't shut us all down if there are no cases.

That is common sense.

podgeandrodge · 05-08-2020 12:08AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are restaurants/gaestro pubs being ordered to put people out by 11pm?

Have there been any positive covid cases traced back to restaurants/pubs here in Ireland?

fritzelly wrote: »

Nope - but in Europe there has and that dictates policy in Ireland

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd say they're linking the community transmission cases to restaurants, that's the only explanation I can think of

Whatever the reason, putting it back by an hour is only pissing people off, both customers who might go in late for that 105 minutes say at 10pm, and bars which have got used to a process and might now have to consider whether it's worth opening if the last entry to their premises for less than 2 hours is at 9pm.

How were they debating until a couple of days ago whether to open up all pubs without food, only to conclude not to today and also pull the restaurants/pub restaurants back to 11pm?

podgeandrodge · 05-08-2020 12:10AM

Scoondal wrote: »

County Cork : 6 cases in 7 days, 27 July to 2 August. Our tourist industry is limping through the summer. Pubs shut. Tourists being stopped outside restaurants with staff wearing visors. No weddings. People paying huge money to be treated like dirt.
If there is a case, shut it down, trace contacts. You can't shut us all down if there are no cases.

Scoondal wrote: »

That is common sense.

Well at least you didn't disagree with yourself!

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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