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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #5822
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    If you have covid the mask is another way to spread it if you do not look after it properly

    Yeah because you are going to lick it after use.
    Don't touch your face after.
    Just wash your hands. Its not rocket science.


  • #5823
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    If you have covid the mask is another way to spread it if you do not look after it properly

    So unmasked covid positive people is the less risky option? I'm getting dumber just arguing with you two bellends.


  • #5824
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    The fact that we still have a lower 14 day incidence of infection than Germany, Iceland or Denmark should maybe be a clue that we are going to have to accept we are going to get 40-50 infections per day for the foreseeable and just get on with it.


  • #5825
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Is there a reason they can't come out and say: Pubs/sports grounds can't open until we have x cases, y hospitalisations, z community transmission? Can they even answer that question?


  • #5826
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm no Varadkar fan but him and Harris communicated fantastically. Everything was described in detail and explained properly. We're getting lots of mixed signals here.
    Like I still cannot understand why the outdoor gatherings weren't increased for sport...
    Cases are rising. The government can't do anything to relax restrictions until we see whether they stop rising.

    If we can't get schools open in a few weeks time because cases are still rising, the government are going to be asked (and rightly so) "well why did you go ahead and relax xyz a few weeks ago?"

    As it is, I think a lot of pubs are on very thin ice. I can't see genuine and responsible restaurants being too happy at the prospect of having to close because of non-food pubs pretending to serve meals flouting the regulations.


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  • #5827
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hmmm wrote: »
    Cases are rising. The government can't do anything to relax restrictions until we see whether they stop rising.

    If we can't get schools open in a few weeks time because cases are still rising, the government are going to be asked (and rightly so) "well why did you go ahead and relax xyz a few weeks ago?"

    As it is, I think a lot of pubs are on very thin ice. I can't see genuine and responsible restaurants being too happy at the prospect of having to close because of non-food pubs pretending to serve meals flouting the regulations.
    I couldn't care less if pubs stay closed, as I said. What would be helpful, and should have been done already, is the publicans should have been told: until x,y,z clauses are met, you're staying closed. I would imagine there are many publicans who the vintner's would have told: we think we're good to go next week. It's ridiculous the lack of transparency.


    Also, all this school talk is ridiculous when the plan is complete and utter ****e.


  • #5828
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    How could you INCREASE the risk? If I wear a hat in the rain have I increased my risk of getting wet? No, I might still get wet but I certainly haven't INCREASED my chances.

    If you don't dry your hat, it'll eventually be ringing wet and you'll catch your death.


  • #5829
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    hmmm wrote: »
    Cases are rising. The government can't do anything to relax restrictions until we see whether they stop rising.

    If we can't get schools open in a few weeks time because cases are still rising, the government are going to be asked (and rightly so) "well why did you go ahead and relax xyz a few weeks ago?"

    As it is, I think a lot of pubs are on very thin ice. I can't see genuine and responsible restaurants being too happy at the prospect of having to close because of non-food pubs pretending to serve meals flouting the regulations.

    People have had enough of this. A pandemic we have to search and test for? That isn't a pandemic.

    Once the job losses in the airports airlines large retailers kick in over the next two weeks the **** is going to hit the fan and none of the c19 lark will matter


  • #5830
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I couldn't care less if pubs stay closed, as I said. What would be helpful, and should have been done already, is the publicans should have been told: until x,y,z clauses are met, you're staying closed.
    From the very start the government has said that we will have to pause re-openings if cases start to rise. Worse, we might need to start going back phases if we can't stop cases from rising.

    Publicans seem to be operating in some sort of alternate reality if they think pubs can re-open as cases are rising. Whoever is giving them advice is even worse as that was always going to be the case. Unfortunately there is also no way for them to bully the government into giving them what they want, we're in a tough place where hard decisions need to be made.


  • #5831
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Onesea wrote: »
    People have had enough of this. A pandemic we have to search and test for? That isn't a pandemic.
    If you'd like we can stop searching for it and it'll be a lot easier to spot.


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  • #5832
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hmmm wrote: »
    From the very start the government has said that we will have to pause re-openings if cases start to rise.

    Publicans seem to be operating in some sort of alternate reality if they think pubs can re-open as cases are rising. Whoever is giving them advice is even worse as that was always going to be the case. Unfortunately there is also no way for them to bully the government into giving them what they want, we're in a tough place where hard decisions need to be made.
    They act like that because they haven't been told what is required for them to open. Do you see where I'm coming from here? They're obviously going to pester the government when the government won't even tell them what the threshold is for them to open.


  • #5833
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The fact that we still have a lower 14 day incidence of infection than Germany, Iceland or Denmark should maybe be a clue that we are going to have to accept we are going to get 40-50 infections per day for the foreseeable and just get on with it.

    We have restrictions in place, and are getting 40-50 cases. That's not a big number, and if it stays like that then there will be no issues. But we have no absolutely no certainty it's going to stay there.


  • #5834
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    hmmm wrote: »
    Cases are rising. The government can't do anything to relax restrictions until we see whether they stop rising.

    If we can't get schools open in a few weeks time because cases are still rising, the government are going to be asked (and rightly so) "well why did you go ahead and relax xyz a few weeks ago?"

    As it is, I think a lot of pubs are on very thin ice. I can't see genuine and responsible restaurants being too happy at the prospect of having to close because of non-food pubs pretending to serve meals flouting the regulations.

    And if cases start popping up in schools (as is likely inevitable) what are they going to do?
    Blame the school? Very likely
    Start closing all schools again?

    They don't know what they are doing


  • #5835
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    fritzelly wrote: »
    And if cases start popping up in schools (as is likely inevitable) what are they going to do?
    Blame the school? Very likely
    Start closing all schools again?

    They don't know what they are doing
    As I said a few pages back, I give the schools a month. The plan is god-awful and it's doomed no matter what restrictions are lifted. I'd be in bits if I was a teacher now.


  • #5836
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    They act like that because they haven't been told what is required for them to open. Do you see where I'm coming from here? They're obviously going to pester the government when the government won't even tell them what the threshold is for them to open.
    You're making it out to be more rocket science than it is.

    If cases are rising, we can't relax restrictions.

    If cases are stable, the government can consider relaxing restrictions.

    Cases are rising, and rising quite fast.

    The US is in trouble & the response from business there has been to urge the population to wear masks and socially distance. I'd like to see publicans do the same here, and bring some sanction against their members who are flouting the regulations. That's the quickest way they are going to get pubs opened, not raging about obvious government decisions.


  • #5837
    LegallyAbroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭LegallyAbroad


    fritzelly wrote: »
    And if cases start popping up in schools (as is likely inevitable) what are they going to do?
    Blame the school? Very likely
    Start closing all schools again?

    They don't know what they are doing

    Schools are essential to a functioning society. Pubs are not.


  • #5838
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hmmm wrote: »
    You're making it out to be more rocket science than it is.

    If cases are rising, we can't relax restrictions.

    If cases are stable, the government can consider relaxing restrictions.

    Cases are rising, and rising quite fast.

    The US is in trouble & the response from business there has been to urge the population to wear masks and socially distance. I'd like to see publicans do the same here, and bring some sanction against their members who are flouting the regulations. That's the quickest way they are going to get pubs opened, not raging about obvious government decisions.
    It's fairly clear you're not going to go against the government here, no matter how sideways they are, guess we'll agree to disagree.


  • #5839
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭prunudo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    And if cases start popping up in schools (as is likely inevitable) what are they going to do?
    Blame the school? Very likely
    Start closing all schools again?

    They don't know what they are doing

    I've felt this for a while now, but particularly since the new government appeared. There's no leadership, its all wishy washy sound bites, blinded by fear of not spinning something the right way. They're like rabbits caught in the headlights unsure which direction to take.


  • #5840
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,189 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    hmmm wrote: »
    You're making it out to be more rocket science than it is.

    If cases are rising, we can't relax restrictions.

    If cases are stable, the government can consider relaxing restrictions.

    Cases are rising, and rising quite fast.

    The US is in trouble & the response from business there has been to urge the population to wear masks and socially distance. I'd like to see publicans do the same here, and bring some sanction against their members who are flouting the regulations. That's the quickest way they are going to get pubs opened, not raging about obvious government decisions.

    We had 85 and then 53 and the last two days at mid forties so while we've had weekly average of cases go up noticeably you can't say cases are rising and rising fast given the daily numbers are going down slightly.


  • #5841
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    I'm really not able for increased cases. We were doing so good for a few weeks. We should have went with a plan for elimination and not have the lockdown we had and then invite infection back into the country when we were doing good. There have been crap advice and measures from the beginning of this. Mandatory masks for retail now, five months later, it should be mandatory masks for all indoor places.


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  • #5842
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    LegallyAbroad wrote: »
    Schools are essential to a functioning society. Pubs are not.

    So leave them open and tell them to sort it out themselves - it's no different to any business where an outbreak occurs
    Wouldn't surprise me if many of these community cases are related to the factory outbreaks

    Publicans have spent thousands preparing for an opening and give back to the government multitudes of millions

    We have to deal with the fact that the virus is in the community waiting to spread and probably silently making it's way thru lots of asymptomatic people - those types that think they're grand when they may get a little hint of a symptom but don't bother isolating and going for a test like they should. Very evident in the age profile of the positive tests in the last while


  • #5843
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'm really not able for increased cases. We were doing so good for a few weeks. We should have went with a plan for elimination and not have the lockdown we had and then invite infection back into the country when we were doing good. There have been crap advice and measures from the beginning of this. Mandatory masks for retail now, five months later, it should be mandatory masks for all indoor places.
    Elimination as a member of the EU is not really possible


  • #5844
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    It's fairly clear you're not going to go against the government here, no matter how sideways they are, guess we'll agree to disagree.

    How about we agree the government are sideways on plenty of things and could be doing plenty of things better or different.

    But also agree that giving a hard target of x cases = pubs open makes no sense in a fluid moving pandemic were cases are not and never will be static?


  • #5845
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭growleaves


    LegallyAbroad wrote: »
    Schools are essential to a functioning society. Pubs are not.

    They are in fact, unless replaced with something similar like a network of cafes or community clubs.

    Reductionists should stick to playing with their R numbers. What a functioning society consists of is beyond the scope of what many here imagine.


  • #5846
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    How about we agree the government are sideways on plenty of things and could be doing plenty of things better or different.

    But also agree that giving a hard target of x cases = pubs open makes no sense in a fluid moving pandemic were cases are not and never will be static?
    If there's not a threshold then they should be told that they're not opening indefinitely. Fairly simple stuff like, tell them they're not opening rather than "Ah shur we'll see in 3 weeks" again.. and again.. and again.


  • #5847
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    hmmm wrote: »
    If you'd like we can stop searching for it and it'll be a lot easier to spot.

    Why aren't people going to hospital ill and worried they are sick?
    How are all the construction workers doing?

    You think we have a handle on this simply by the detections.. Open borders will stop us having any control.
    The local population are sacrificing their norms yet the tourists flow in.
    You have to work for the government. Am I right?


  • #5848
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    How about we agree the government are sideways on plenty of things and could be doing plenty of things better or different.

    But also agree that giving a hard target of x cases = pubs open makes no sense in a fluid moving pandemic were cases are not and never will be static?

    Well it seems the government are going for a zero covid scenario - they didn't go with Phase 4 when it was 20 cases a day, which by any standard is excellent
    You cannot get to zero covid until you vaccinate everyone - which isn't gonna happen any time soon or ever


  • #5849
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Onesea wrote: »
    Why aren't people going to hospital ill and worried they are sick?
    How are all the construction workers doing?

    If it's not a pandemic then why are you wasting your time telling us, get out there and let the people know they've been let on, it's your civic duty.


  • #5850
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Why are restaurants/gaestro pubs being ordered to put people out by 11pm?

    Have there been any positive covid cases traced back to restaurants/pubs here in Ireland?


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  • #5851
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If there's not a threshold then they should be told that they're not opening indefinitely. Fairly simple stuff like, tell them they're not opening rather than "Ah shur we'll see in 3 weeks" again.. and again.. and again.

    Because politics.

    As frustrating as the current advice must be for publicans I think x cases today, sweet lads open up and then 2 days later y cases, oh $hit lads close up, would be more frustrating.


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