Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Leftwaffe · 03-08-2020 10:37PM

I know a woman who tested positive from a meat factory in Kildare. Not sure which meat factory but it'd not a dog food one AFAIK. She's totally asymptomatic but worried about her kids, relatives and friends now naturally.

coastwatch · 03-08-2020 10:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In this case many of the workers lived together in direct provision. On the other hand, meat plants are the ideal breeding ground for disease. Cold, compact, not much ventilation, easy pickings.

It may be for the opposite reason. Meat plants use high speed airflow (cold air) designed to prevent meat from being contaminated with bacteria. One theory is that the same aggressive ventillation could also spread the virus in a workspace, as it survives longer in cold air.

https://www.wired.com/story/why-meatpacking-plants-have-become-covid-19-hot-spots/

bb1234567 · 03-08-2020 10:39PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

over 1000 active cases in Ireland now. We were down to 250 few weeks ago before the opening.

Wow hard to believe 1000 peple have COVID again now. And no new hospitalisations/ICU admissions from this large number?

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 10:39PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

over 1000 active cases in Ireland now. We were down to 250 few weeks ago before the opening.

Active cases are defined by NPHET as any case which has occurred within the past 14 days, it’s less than 400 as far as i know

03-08-2020 10:40PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

over 1000 active cases in Ireland now. We were down to 250 few weeks ago before the opening.

If your using the worldometers data, there does not appear to be a drop in active cases for Ireland since 22nd June. I find it hard to imagine no one has recovered in 6 weeks.

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 10:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If your using the worldometers data, there does not appear to be a drop in active cases for Ireland since 22nd June. I find it hard to imagine no one has recovered in 6 weeks.

Exactly this. We don’t release recovery data anymore so Worldometers hasn’t updated.

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 10:43PM

I estimate 333 active cases based on a 92% recovery rate

Dpg21 · 03-08-2020 10:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, cutting of our supply chain for food would be a great move

Not exactly going to starve to death are you

BorneTobyWilde · 03-08-2020 10:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Active cases are defined by NPHET as any case which has occurred within the past 14 days, it’s less than 400 as far as i know

I'm only going by this site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's a funny thing these daily updates,
46 new cases today, and people forget how many cases there was yesterday or in last 2 weeks or month. It's building more and more the last 2 weeks.

Jim_Hodge · 03-08-2020 10:45PM

Dpg21 wrote: »

Not exactly going to starve to death are you

I possibly might if my red meat supply dries up.

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 10:46PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I'm only going by this site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's a funny thing these daily updates,
46 new cases today, and people forget how many cases there was yesterday or in last 2 weeks or month. It's building more and more the last 2 weeks.

Roughly 90% of cases from the past 5 days are from known outbreaks so the daily case figures arent exactly surprising

03-08-2020 10:46PM

Dpg21 wrote: »

Not exactly going to starve to death are you

Close all the meat plants and see what that does to the entire food supply chain as a major source of calories is turned off and stock piling begins

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 10:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Close all the meat plants and see what that does to the entire food supply chain as a major source of calories is turned off and stock piling begins

Ill be out protesting, i need my steak

Rob A. Bank · 03-08-2020 10:48PM

coastwatch wrote: »

It may be for the oppisite reason. Meat plants use high speed airflow (cold air) designed to prevent meat from being contaminated with bacteria. One theory is that the same aggressive ventillation could also spread the virus in a workspace, as it survives longer in cold air.

https://www.wired.com/story/why-meatpacking-plants-have-become-covid-19-hot-spots/

I also imagine that the cold air in the system is recycled, which would increase the chances of airborne spread. It would be costly to continuously chill fresh air from the outside.

03-08-2020 10:49PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I'm only going by this site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's a funny thing these daily updates,
46 new cases today, and people forget how many cases there was yesterday or in last 2 weeks or month. It's building more and more the last 2 weeks.

Yet the numbers in hospital and icu are remarkably stable and very low.

Santy2015 · 03-08-2020 10:52PM

I find Professor Nolan Is very good at saying it as it is and just like ACE has being saying today and on previous days it’s the clusters not community transmission that’s causing the increase and top notch stuff by the PHT
https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1290403171865681920?s=21

Ce he sin · 03-08-2020 10:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet the numbers in hospital and icu are remarkably stable and very low.

Hopefully they will continue so but you do realise that there's a lag between a person becoming infected and being hospitalised, right? It will take a while for the recent upsurge in infections to be reflected in hospitalisation numbers.

JP Liz V1 · 03-08-2020 11:00PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I possibly might if my red meat supply dries up.

03-08-2020 11:01PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

I find Professor Nolan Is very good at saying it as it is and just like ACE has being saying today and on previous days it’s the clusters not community transmission that’s causing the increase and top notch stuff by the PHT
https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1290403171865681920?s=21

It looks like they are doing an incredible job of chasing down outbreaks. The difference between now and March is that we are now getting a lot of the mildly asymptomatic cases within the outbreaks. Positive tests is how we control this as we know where it is and where it is likely to go next. Might be hard to see it as such, however as long as we are tracing outbreaks, not seeing a major increase in random cases, and hospital numbers are under control, it is positive

Spanish Eyes · 03-08-2020 11:02PM

We are heading towards Autumn and Winter and all that brings to hospitals around the country. I truly hope that HSE is on high alert/planning for all eventualities now.

Forward planning is the key, but they fell down every year with dozens and more on trollies even without Covid.

Just saying.

Polar101 · 03-08-2020 11:02PM

I wonder if we are getting a great picture of the level of infections around the country. This week they are obviously testing meat factories, two weeks ago it was building sites popping up. Would that suggest there are a lot more cases around, if new ones always pop up wherever they are targeting the testing to?

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 11:05PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

I find Professor Nolan Is very good at saying it as it is and just like ACE has being saying today and on previous days it’s the clusters not community transmission that’s causing the increase and top notch stuff by the PHT
https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1290403171865681920?s=21

Phillip must’ve seen the ridicule I got and wanted to back me up

Nah serious tho, the authorities seem positive, it’s not all bad.

03-08-2020 11:08PM

Ce he sin wrote: »

Hopefully they will continue so but you do realise that there's a lag between a person becoming infected and being hospitalised, right? It will take a while for the recent upsurge in infections to be reflected in hospitalisation numbers.

I am well aware

Median time is 5 to 8 days, and given the increase in our numbered is over two weeks old now, with the likes of the kildare outbreak shutting the pet food plant over 10days ago, it is encouraging that we are not seeing a corresponding increase is hospital cases. But that will happen too. Cases are not going to zero any time soon

Renjit · 03-08-2020 11:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Close all the meat plants and see what that does to the entire food supply chain as a major source of calories is turned off and stock piling begins

That's all good but for long term sustainability we should be looking at other options.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/78/3/660S/4690010

Worldwide, an estimated 2 billion people live primarily on a meat-based diet, while an estimated 4 billion live primarily on a plant-based diet. The US food production system uses about 50% of the total US land area, 80% of the fresh water, and 17% of the fossil energy used in the country. The heavy dependence on fossil energy suggests that the US food system, whether meat-based or plant-based, is not sustainable. The use of land and energy resources devoted to an average meat-based diet compared with a lactoovovegetarian (plant-based) diet is analyzed in this report. In both diets, the daily quantity of calories consumed are kept constant at about 3533 kcal per person. The meat-based food system requires more energy, land, and water resources than the lactoovovegetarian diet. In this limited sense, the lactoovovegetarian diet is more sustainable than the average American meat-based diet.

03-08-2020 11:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Phillip must’ve seen the ridicule I got and wanted to back me up

Nah serious tho, the authorities seem positive, it’s not all bad.

I have been thinking, given the access to discrete data that they have, it is possible they were able to see these outbreaks coming based on Geography and contacts of results prior to July 20th and that’s what pubs were delayed.

JP Liz V1 · 03-08-2020 11:14PM

The vast majority of countries on Ireland’s 'green list' have experienced a rise in Covid-19 infections since travel restrictions were lifted.

Laura Lynott reports that 13 of the 15 destinations selected by the Government on July 22 as safe to visit are now seeing the number of cases rise again

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/virus-surge-in-13-nations-on-travel-green-list-39417739

ACitizenErased · 03-08-2020 11:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have been thinking, given the access to discrete data that they have, it is possible they were able to see these outbreaks coming based on Geography and contacts of results prior to July 20th and that’s what pubs were delayed.

Good question. It’s not as if they’re counties that have had no cases, most have revolved around that region for a while now.

03-08-2020 11:19PM

Renjit wrote: »

That's all good but for long term sustainability we should be looking at other options.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/78/3/660S/4690010

Whatever your views on switching to a plant based diet, it would need to be planned over a substantial period to protect food supply, and the last thing that needs to happen is to cut off a major source during a pandemic.

Also, much of the agricultural land in Ireland is marginal for anything other than growing grass for livestock or for potatoes. And we know what happened last time we concentrated on that crop to feed most of our population.

It is doubtful, with a plant only food supply, Ireland would enjoy the level of food security we currently have and maintain a Vibrant rural agricultural economy

JP Liz V1 · 03-08-2020 11:29PM

Young people are being asked to choose having sex online or over the phone to stop the spread of Covid19

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/have-sex-online-to-limit-spread-of-virus-advises-hse-39417584

coastwatch · 03-08-2020 11:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Close all the meat plants and see what that does to the entire food supply chain as a major source of calories is turned off and stock piling begins

The recent big outbreak was in a dog food plant, so if the like were closed for a while, "precious pouches" would have to make do with dried food, until any covid risks in these plants were fixed.
There seems to be far fewer oubreaks reported from meat plants recently (human consumption), so I'm assuming these companies have got the message and have implemented measures to prevent covid spread.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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