Masks

Graham · 02-08-2020 06:24PM

Probably been posted already but worth posting again for the hard of understanding

https://twitter.com/mashable/status/1289943286908624896

xhomelezz · 02-08-2020 06:32PM

Yes: valved

Cheap one mate, again. But keep trying

Graham · 02-08-2020 06:34PM

joeguevara wrote: »

When you say you were verbally abused, can I ask what the abuse was and who did it.

Also posted earlier;

GT89 wrote: »

Extremeley rude customer complained that I wasn't wearing a mask the other day in work.

GT89 wrote: »

I nearly wouldn't have minded if she was at least polite.

Overheal · 02-08-2020 06:37PM

No: I don't care enough

Graham wrote: »

Also posted earlier;

How dare they ask why a cashier isn’t wearing a mask in a pandemic. The nerve.

joeguevara · 02-08-2020 06:50PM

Graham wrote: »

Also posted earlier;

So a customer complained that you were not wearing a mask. A customer who is potentially protecting themselves. Did they complain to you or someone else? From what you posted you weren’t verbally abused.

Notwithstanding the fact that we don’t know if you were verbally abused or not, you could have prevented any abuse (if it did happen) by wearing a mask. Now from what you said your employer required it, because you were relying on a line which was actually to do with exemptions, but as I posted previously is irrelevant.

So, let’s say that you were verbally abused, then by not wearing a mask which you were supposed to, then you were culpable for it. Best way to prevent it happening again is do what is policy. Quite simple.

GT89 · 02-08-2020 07:23PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

timetogo1 wrote: »

I meant more about what they said when you told them you were abused at work. Did they not care?

I've a thick skin so didn't need to tell them

Overheal · 02-08-2020 07:24PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

I've a thick skin so didn't need to tell them

Clearly not have a thick skin if your chief complaint was her manners.

Talking out of several sides of your mouth in this thread.

timetogo1 · 02-08-2020 07:47PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

I've a thick skin so didn't need to tell them

Ok. But wanted to come in boards to tell everybody else. Sure.

VG31 · 02-08-2020 08:01PM

ednwireland wrote: »

at a petrol station there and everybody i saw had a mask.

was in aldi on friday and everyone i saw had a mask except one couple with 3 kids running around who got in a dublin reg car.

About 30-40% wearing masks in Lidl today. Most of the people wearing masks were the 20-40 age group oddly enough.

John O.Groats · 02-08-2020 08:04PM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

It would be unnecessary if people just wore masks in shops and indoor public spaces like they have been advised to. Anyone who doesn`t deserves alll the censure they get IMO.

GT89 · 02-08-2020 08:06PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly no one should ever be verbally abused by anyone in or out of their place of work. When you say you were verbally abused, can I ask what the abuse was and who did it. The reason I ask is an employee receiving a reprimand from a designated COVID supervisor for not wearing a mask is not verbal abuse but being called a pr1ck in the canteen for not wearing one is.

Except the person was a member of the general public not a co worker or a boss. According to company policy staff do not have to wear masks it is something reccomended but not required for staff as of yet.

Your quote from gov.ie is slightly misleading. You forgot to mention that the line ‘no one should be judged or criticised for not wearing one’ was part of the exemption section which outlined specific illnesses, conditions or circumstances which may not be obvious which would exempt someone from wearing a mask. However the guidelines specifically state that masks should be worn unless an exemption exists. You cannot disregard that and go straight to the ‘no one should be criticised for not wearing one’ defence

Accept to that person I was a randomer who may well have a medical reason to not wear one for she would have known.

But here is the kicker and where so many who rely on snippets from social media regarding Law to argue their rights. Disregarding the lowest common denominator of government guidelines which stipulates mask wearing in limiting circumstances, health and safety law puts obligations on an employer to provide a safe working environment. If an employer, based on reasonable evidence decides that all employees must wear a mask as a mitigating factor in the spread of COVID, and employees are made aware of that, then the fact that legislation has not specifically mandated it is irrelevant.

Nonsense I was in line with official company policy surrounding the use of face coverings. This person was a randomer who thought they knew it all but they didn't. I informed them that I was following company policy and if they wish to complain they could do it through the proper channels

So I wouldn’t be relying on a person in HR who probably did a google search and found nothing if you are disciplined, more disciplined and eventually fired for not wearing a mask and hoping for an unfair dismissal payout. Just saying.

More nonsense as this incident had nothing to do with HR, management or employment law. It was encounter between a staff member in this incidence me and a member of the public.

GT89 · 02-08-2020 08:13PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

John O.Groats wrote: »

It would be unnecessary if people just wore masks in shops and indoor public spaces like they have been advised to. Anyone who doesn`t deserves alll the censure they get IMO.

And you think tension and arguments ate something that benefits society?

odyssey06 · 02-08-2020 08:19PM

GT89 wrote: »

Except the person was a member of the general public not a co worker or a boss. According to company policy staff do not have to wear masks it is something reccomended but not required for staff as of yet.

Accept to that person I was a randomer who may well have a medical reason to not wear one for she would have known.

Nonsense I was in line with official company policy surrounding the use of face coverings. This person was a randomer who thought they knew it all but they didn't. I informed them that I was following company policy and if they wish to complain they could do it through the proper channels

More nonsense as this incident had nothing to do with HR, management or employment law. It was encounter between a staff member in this incidence me and a member of the public.

I assume this isn't the first time such a thing has occurred where a member of the public has complained to you.
Why are you taking this one so personally?

You are in a customer facing role. Their criticism of you not wearing a mask was also an implicit criticism of your company's policy, which you represent in your employment & also of your personal conduct as an employee interacting with members of the public.
If you are not prepared to accept such feedback from the customer, get a different job.

Anyone with a genuine medical reason for not wearing a mask should really be reflecting on whether it's a good idea for them to be working in an enclosed public place exposed to the droplets of hundreds of members of the public.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-08-2020 08:38PM

Darc19 wrote: »

The target is 60% of people 60% of the time.

And remember that it will also prevent all the everyday viruses.

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

I know hospitality businesses whose staff levels have dropped to zero.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-08-2020 08:39PM

ednwireland wrote: »

at a petrol station there and everybody i saw had a mask.

was in aldi on friday and everyone i saw had a mask except one couple with 3 kids running around who got in a dublin reg car.

Good thing you got the Dublin reg.

GT89 · 02-08-2020 08:41PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Darc19 wrote: »

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

The closure of pubs may have a bigger part to play in that one

Mrs OBumble · 02-08-2020 09:32PM

Yes: homemade

MidnightQueen wrote: »

Is washing them by hand ok too?

Yes - but you do need to ensure they get some time in over 60-degrees, which your hands won't like. The pouring boiling water over is a good dea. Because - Covid is far from the only nasty you need to worry about in a face-mask.

Personally, the idea of washing a facemask in the same washing machine where you wash your underwear is, frankly, revolting.

joeguevara · 02-08-2020 10:12PM

GT89 wrote: »

Except the person was a member of the general public not a co worker or a boss. According to company policy staff do not have to wear masks it is something reccomended but not required for staff as of yet.

Accept to that person I was a randomer who may well have a medical reason to not wear one for she would have known.

Nonsense I was in line with official company policy surrounding the use of face coverings. This person was a randomer who thought they knew it all but they didn't. I informed them that I was following company policy and if they wish to complain they could do it through the proper channels

More nonsense as this incident had nothing to do with HR, management or employment law. It was encounter between a staff member in this incidence me and a member of the public.

If it was like that then you are completely correct. When I posted I thought I made it clear that I was basing my opinion on the preface that policy was wearing a mask. I assumed that (obviously incorrectly) because you were asking about a line in gov guidelines instead of saying you are not mandated to.

I do remember that the start of my post said that no one should be verbally abused by anyone in work. But then the verbal abuse was described as impoliteness which didn’t seem the same.

But at the end of the day if you work in an enclosed space with members of the public interacting with you and your colleagues, then you should wear a mask. If you have a legitimate reason not to, fine but a member of the public is entitled to challenge anyone for not wearing one. But if I mistook company policy I apologise but it might assist someone else in a business with that policy.

I will finish by saying that I hope you’re ok and you and your colleagues are safe. No matter anyone’s stance or opinion, we all want to get out of this with the least harm.

Frankx · 02-08-2020 10:15PM

Do staff need a mask behind a perspex screen then?

Arghus · 02-08-2020 10:17PM

Maybe this has already been posted. He's speaking about the UK situation, but the point is basically the same for here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQkBHysrig

harr · 02-08-2020 10:27PM

Frankx wrote: »

Do staff need a mask behind a perspex screen then?

No , not under the new guidelines only when on shop floor and mixing with public, in saying that I do see most staff wearing masks behind the screens or behind the screen with masks on and a plastic visor.

Polar101 · 02-08-2020 10:43PM

i saw my first mask-related argument in Dunnes today - some guy in his 20's and his girlfriend were shouting at a security guy that someone had been rude to them. I assume it was because they weren't wearing a mask, and were told something about it.

Hopefully they can get over their outrage, and find a solution to the problem. I'd suggest wearing a mask, but that's just me.

Tork · 02-08-2020 11:10PM

Yes: to protect others

Masks don't apply to people under the age of 25 - or so it would appear.

Arghus · 02-08-2020 11:18PM

Tork wrote: »

Masks don't apply to people under the age of 25 - or so it would appear.

I was working all weekend and had plenty of time to see all sorts of people with and without masks, but, yeah, most of the people who weren't wearing masks were, I would say, in the under 25 age bracket. And if you're under 25 and it looks like you've just been to the gym then I think it's actually illegal to wear one, from what I could observe anyway.

Mask wearing is still very, very high in general, but there was definitely less people wearing them this weekend than this time last week. Last week people who weren't wearing them stuck out a bit, not so much this week.

MidnightQueen · 02-08-2020 11:21PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Personally, the idea of washing a facemask in the same washing machine where you wash your underwear is, frankly, revolting.

That’s one of the reasons I asked the question, thinking surely there’s another way besides the washing machine. Lots of articles I found had said washing machine.

rubadub · 02-08-2020 11:26PM

Darc19 wrote: »

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

yep, and people are STILL either genuinely ignorant (god help them) or feigning ignorance about how even a small bit of food might make a difference with alcohol. No difference to inhibitions and in this case some would probably exclaim disbelief about whether or not severly hungover people without red raw bile filled stomachs would be more/less likely to ring in sick. But it makes no difference to anything at all.

The head in the sand shite people spout is cringeworthy. Assholes presumably thinking they look clever by acting dumb as fcuk -backfires big time.

Frankx · 02-08-2020 11:36PM

rubadub wrote: »

yep, and people are STILL either genuinely ignorant (god help them) or feigning ignorance about how even a small bit of food might make a difference with alcohol. No difference to inhibitions and in this case some would probably exclaim disbelief about whether or not severly hungover people without red raw bile filled stomachs would be more/less likely to ring in sick. But it makes no difference to anything at all.

The head in the sand shite people spout is cringeworthy. Assholes presumably thinking they look clever by acting dumb as fcuk -backfires big time.

What point are you making

rubadub · 02-08-2020 11:51PM

Frankx wrote: »

What point are you making

that sick days are down for blatantly obvious reasons that only a moron would not understand.

Graham · 03-08-2020 02:20AM

Interesting to see the HSA has issued 54 prohibition notices in the last few weeks on foot of workplace inspections.

Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn expressed his concern at the number of outbreaks in workplace settings

I would remind all employers that the workplace and most particularly, shops, services and supermarkets, are the new frontline. We are asking you to do everything you can to put the safety of your staff and customers first.

I wonder if any of those prohibition notices related to shops that had put customers at risk by staff refusing to wear masks etc.

joeguevara · 03-08-2020 05:19AM

GT89 wrote: »

And you think tension and arguments ate something that benefits society?

But who causes the tension and arguments? If you are saying that tension and arguments are not a good thing and assume that the only group causing them are people refusing to wear masks, doesn’t it follow that they should wear them for the tiny amount of time required.

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