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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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Graham

joeguevara wrote: »

When you say you were verbally abused, can I ask what the abuse was and who did it.

Also posted earlier;

GT89 wrote: »

Extremeley rude customer complained that I wasn't wearing a mask the other day in work.

GT89 wrote: »

I nearly wouldn't have minded if she was at least polite.

Overheal

Graham wrote: »

Also posted earlier;

How dare they ask why a cashier isn’t wearing a mask in a pandemic. The nerve.

joeguevara

Graham wrote: »

Also posted earlier;

So a customer complained that you were not wearing a mask. A customer who is potentially protecting themselves. Did they complain to you or someone else? From what you posted you weren’t verbally abused.

Notwithstanding the fact that we don’t know if you were verbally abused or not, you could have prevented any abuse (if it did happen) by wearing a mask. Now from what you said your employer required it, because you were relying on a line which was actually to do with exemptions, but as I posted previously is irrelevant.

So, let’s say that you were verbally abused, then by not wearing a mask which you were supposed to, then you were culpable for it. Best way to prevent it happening again is do what is policy. Quite simple.

GT89

timetogo1 wrote: »

I meant more about what they said when you told them you were abused at work. Did they not care?

I've a thick skin so didn't need to tell them

Overheal

GT89 wrote: »

I've a thick skin so didn't need to tell them

Clearly not have a thick skin if your chief complaint was her manners.

Talking out of several sides of your mouth in this thread.

timetogo1

GT89 wrote: »

I've a thick skin so didn't need to tell them

Ok. But wanted to come in boards to tell everybody else. Sure.

VG31

ednwireland wrote: »

at a petrol station there and everybody i saw had a mask.

was in aldi on friday and everyone i saw had a mask except one couple with 3 kids running around who got in a dublin reg car.

About 30-40% wearing masks in Lidl today. Most of the people wearing masks were the 20-40 age group oddly enough.

John O.Groats

GT89 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

It would be unnecessary if people just wore masks in shops and indoor public spaces like they have been advised to. Anyone who doesn`t deserves alll the censure they get IMO.

GT89

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly no one should ever be verbally abused by anyone in or out of their place of work. When you say you were verbally abused, can I ask what the abuse was and who did it. The reason I ask is an employee receiving a reprimand from a designated COVID supervisor for not wearing a mask is not verbal abuse but being called a pr1ck in the canteen for not wearing one is.

Except the person was a member of the general public not a co worker or a boss. According to company policy staff do not have to wear masks it is something reccomended but not required for staff as of yet.

Your quote from gov.ie is slightly misleading. You forgot to mention that the line ‘no one should be judged or criticised for not wearing one’ was part of the exemption section which outlined specific illnesses, conditions or circumstances which may not be obvious which would exempt someone from wearing a mask. However the guidelines specifically state that masks should be worn unless an exemption exists. You cannot disregard that and go straight to the ‘no one should be criticised for not wearing one’ defence

Accept to that person I was a randomer who may well have a medical reason to not wear one for she would have known.

But here is the kicker and where so many who rely on snippets from social media regarding Law to argue their rights. Disregarding the lowest common denominator of government guidelines which stipulates mask wearing in limiting circumstances, health and safety law puts obligations on an employer to provide a safe working environment. If an employer, based on reasonable evidence decides that all employees must wear a mask as a mitigating factor in the spread of COVID, and employees are made aware of that, then the fact that legislation has not specifically mandated it is irrelevant.

Nonsense I was in line with official company policy surrounding the use of face coverings. This person was a randomer who thought they knew it all but they didn't. I informed them that I was following company policy and if they wish to complain they could do it through the proper channels

So I wouldn’t be relying on a person in HR who probably did a google search and found nothing if you are disciplined, more disciplined and eventually fired for not wearing a mask and hoping for an unfair dismissal payout. Just saying.

More nonsense as this incident had nothing to do with HR, management or employment law. It was encounter between a staff member in this incidence me and a member of the public.

GT89

John O.Groats wrote: »

It would be unnecessary if people just wore masks in shops and indoor public spaces like they have been advised to. Anyone who doesn`t deserves alll the censure they get IMO.

And you think tension and arguments ate something that benefits society?

odyssey06

GT89 wrote: »

Except the person was a member of the general public not a co worker or a boss. According to company policy staff do not have to wear masks it is something reccomended but not required for staff as of yet.

Accept to that person I was a randomer who may well have a medical reason to not wear one for she would have known.

Nonsense I was in line with official company policy surrounding the use of face coverings. This person was a randomer who thought they knew it all but they didn't. I informed them that I was following company policy and if they wish to complain they could do it through the proper channels

More nonsense as this incident had nothing to do with HR, management or employment law. It was encounter between a staff member in this incidence me and a member of the public.

I assume this isn't the first time such a thing has occurred where a member of the public has complained to you.
Why are you taking this one so personally?

You are in a customer facing role. Their criticism of you not wearing a mask was also an implicit criticism of your company's policy, which you represent in your employment & also of your personal conduct as an employee interacting with members of the public.
If you are not prepared to accept such feedback from the customer, get a different job.

Anyone with a genuine medical reason for not wearing a mask should really be reflecting on whether it's a good idea for them to be working in an enclosed public place exposed to the droplets of hundreds of members of the public.

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Darc19 wrote: »

The target is 60% of people 60% of the time.

And remember that it will also prevent all the everyday viruses.

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

I know hospitality businesses whose staff levels have dropped to zero.

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ednwireland wrote: »

at a petrol station there and everybody i saw had a mask.

was in aldi on friday and everyone i saw had a mask except one couple with 3 kids running around who got in a dublin reg car.

Good thing you got the Dublin reg.

GT89

Darc19 wrote: »

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

The closure of pubs may have a bigger part to play in that one

Mrs OBumble

MidnightQueen wrote: »

Is washing them by hand ok too?

Yes - but you do need to ensure they get some time in over 60-degrees, which your hands won't like. The pouring boiling water over is a good dea. Because - Covid is far from the only nasty you need to worry about in a face-mask.

Personally, the idea of washing a facemask in the same washing machine where you wash your underwear is, frankly, revolting.

joeguevara

GT89 wrote: »

Except the person was a member of the general public not a co worker or a boss. According to company policy staff do not have to wear masks it is something reccomended but not required for staff as of yet.

Accept to that person I was a randomer who may well have a medical reason to not wear one for she would have known.

Nonsense I was in line with official company policy surrounding the use of face coverings. This person was a randomer who thought they knew it all but they didn't. I informed them that I was following company policy and if they wish to complain they could do it through the proper channels

More nonsense as this incident had nothing to do with HR, management or employment law. It was encounter between a staff member in this incidence me and a member of the public.

If it was like that then you are completely correct. When I posted I thought I made it clear that I was basing my opinion on the preface that policy was wearing a mask. I assumed that (obviously incorrectly) because you were asking about a line in gov guidelines instead of saying you are not mandated to.

I do remember that the start of my post said that no one should be verbally abused by anyone in work. But then the verbal abuse was described as impoliteness which didn’t seem the same.

But at the end of the day if you work in an enclosed space with members of the public interacting with you and your colleagues, then you should wear a mask. If you have a legitimate reason not to, fine but a member of the public is entitled to challenge anyone for not wearing one. But if I mistook company policy I apologise but it might assist someone else in a business with that policy.

I will finish by saying that I hope you’re ok and you and your colleagues are safe. No matter anyone’s stance or opinion, we all want to get out of this with the least harm.

Frankx

Do staff need a mask behind a perspex screen then?

Arghus

Maybe this has already been posted. He's speaking about the UK situation, but the point is basically the same for here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQkBHysrig

harr

Frankx wrote: »

Do staff need a mask behind a perspex screen then?

No , not under the new guidelines only when on shop floor and mixing with public, in saying that I do see most staff wearing masks behind the screens or behind the screen with masks on and a plastic visor.

Polar101

i saw my first mask-related argument in Dunnes today - some guy in his 20's and his girlfriend were shouting at a security guy that someone had been rude to them. I assume it was because they weren't wearing a mask, and were told something about it.

Hopefully they can get over their outrage, and find a solution to the problem. I'd suggest wearing a mask, but that's just me.

Tork

Masks don't apply to people under the age of 25 - or so it would appear.

Arghus

Tork wrote: »

Masks don't apply to people under the age of 25 - or so it would appear.

I was working all weekend and had plenty of time to see all sorts of people with and without masks, but, yeah, most of the people who weren't wearing masks were, I would say, in the under 25 age bracket. And if you're under 25 and it looks like you've just been to the gym then I think it's actually illegal to wear one, from what I could observe anyway.

Mask wearing is still very, very high in general, but there was definitely less people wearing them this weekend than this time last week. Last week people who weren't wearing them stuck out a bit, not so much this week.

MidnightQueen

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Personally, the idea of washing a facemask in the same washing machine where you wash your underwear is, frankly, revolting.

That’s one of the reasons I asked the question, thinking surely there’s another way besides the washing machine. Lots of articles I found had said washing machine.

rubadub

Darc19 wrote: »

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

yep, and people are STILL either genuinely ignorant (god help them) or feigning ignorance about how even a small bit of food might make a difference with alcohol. No difference to inhibitions and in this case some would probably exclaim disbelief about whether or not severly hungover people without red raw bile filled stomachs would be more/less likely to ring in sick. But it makes no difference to anything at all.

The head in the sand shite people spout is cringeworthy. Assholes presumably thinking they look clever by acting dumb as fcuk -backfires big time.

Frankx

rubadub wrote: »

yep, and people are STILL either genuinely ignorant (god help them) or feigning ignorance about how even a small bit of food might make a difference with alcohol. No difference to inhibitions and in this case some would probably exclaim disbelief about whether or not severly hungover people without red raw bile filled stomachs would be more/less likely to ring in sick. But it makes no difference to anything at all.

The head in the sand shite people spout is cringeworthy. Assholes presumably thinking they look clever by acting dumb as fcuk -backfires big time.

What point are you making

rubadub

Frankx wrote: »

What point are you making

that sick days are down for blatantly obvious reasons that only a moron would not understand.

Graham

Interesting to see the HSA has issued 54 prohibition notices in the last few weeks on foot of workplace inspections.

Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn expressed his concern at the number of outbreaks in workplace settings

I would remind all employers that the workplace and most particularly, shops, services and supermarkets, are the new frontline. We are asking you to do everything you can to put the safety of your staff and customers first.

I wonder if any of those prohibition notices related to shops that had put customers at risk by staff refusing to wear masks etc.

joeguevara

GT89 wrote: »

And you think tension and arguments ate something that benefits society?

But who causes the tension and arguments? If you are saying that tension and arguments are not a good thing and assume that the only group causing them are people refusing to wear masks, doesn’t it follow that they should wear them for the tiny amount of time required.

WAW

joeguevara wrote: »

But who causes the tension and arguments? If you are saying that tension and arguments are not a good thing and assume that the only group causing them are people refusing to wear masks, doesn’t it follow that they should wear them for the tiny amount of time required.

Do you really not see anything amiss with your stance? To me it's zealotry of the dangerous kind which is always bad for a free thinking society.
To be completely intolerant of general dissent and disagreement with your personal opinion is worrying.
The medical professionals still disagree on many aspects and measures put forward to halt the spread of Covid. You've chosen to follow a particular set of experts but many people are listening to other experts, reading and finding out other information and arising at different viewpoints which makes more sense to them. It doesn't mean make them irresponsible 'Covidiots' ( another nasty, dangerous term used by the pitchfork wielding type).

To suggest the problem is these people (whom you labelled morons on several occasions but took it back) is blinkered, religious level zealotry.

There are no Covid experts, advice changes regularly. There are to be sure, many highly qualified and experienced medical folk proffering well meaning but differing opinions.

As an aside, I was going to a shop early yesterday. Was a bit too early for it to be busy but I would estimate that about 40% of the potential customers turned on their heels and went to the other shop down the road because of the mask requirement the first shop had which the other one didn't. If shops make them compulsory, they should probably have a supply of masks to hand for those customers who don't have one but are willing to wear them.

joeguevara

WAW wrote: »

Do you really not see anything amiss with your stance? To me it's zealotry of the dangerous kind which is always bad for a free thinking society.
To be completely intolerant of general dissent and disagreement with your personal opinion is worrying.
The medical professionals still disagree on many aspects and measures put forward to halt the spread of Covid. You've chosen to follow a particular set of experts but many people are listening to other experts, reading and finding out other information and arising at different viewpoints which makes more sense to them. It doesn't mean make them irresponsible 'Covidiots' ( another nasty, dangerous term used by the pitchfork wielding type).

To suggest the problem is these people (whom you labelled morons on several occasions but took it back) is blinkered, religious level zealotry.

There are no Covid experts, advice changes regularly. There are to be sure, many highly qualified and experienced medical folk proffering well meaning but differing opinions.

As an aside, I was going to a shop early yesterday. Was a bit too early for it to be busy but I would estimate that about 40% of the potential customers turned on their heels and went to the other shop down the road because of the mask requirement the first shop had which the other one didn't. If shops make them compulsory, they should probably have a supply of masks to hand for those customers who don't have one but are willing to wear them.

On the one hand you say the word ‘Covidiot’ (which I can’t stand as a word along with all the other word de jour alla maskzis etc but have no issue calling someone who follows every recognised medical experts advice as a religious zealot or words to that effect. Interestingly I have a full back tattoo of jesus’s crucifixion (on the tatto thread if you want to have a look) but I am as far from religious as humanly possible. How are you comfortable calling someone a religious zealot for simply following advice and trying to do their best to reduce virus transmission but take grave offence to a word that could equally be used to describe someone from either side of the argument.

What confuses me even more is you say that either me personally or at least someone who thinks mask wearing is appropriate is completely intolerant of general dissent and disagreement with your personal opinion is worrying. You are intolerant of the opinion of every medical expert who is in this field and have never even acknowledged that wearing a mask assists in decreasing virus droplets being spread by an infected person which even those who advocate not wearing a mask admit.

I have never heard any person who thinks masks are ineffectual give one concrete positive reason for not wearing one and assisting in decreasing infection. As you admitted yourself that advice changes, so if there is no benefit for not wearing one in reducing transmission and wearing one may (may being if your expert reassess their understanding, whereas actual experts who are actually leaders in their field as opposed to a fella in a white coat from Arkansas, have shown empirical proof that it does reduce transmission) reduce transmission so wear one in the off chance.

Again, the discussion which was the subject of your post about tension and arguments are from people demanding their god given rights not to wear a mask or someone who asks them not to infect others and an argument ensuing.

Now, if you park all of the above for a second, when I read that over 46000 people from designated high risk countries have come in to Ireland in the last 3 weeks with no requirement to quarantine, it makes me wonder what the fcuck is the point of anything and just let it blitz and see how the chips fall. But then only worry about things that you can control and wear a mask, wash hands frequently, don’t be in crowds for long periods. And hope that I get to actually spend time with my parents rather than a fleeting visit because of their age and certain other things. I worry every time one of them goes to buy groceries and someone not wearing a mask coughs in their direction because they have more knowledge than the experts.