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  • #6902
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    I might have read his post wrong with some talk about a suggestion of a lockdown with less than 10 cases in ICU and daily numbers.

    None of his post made sense. Just rambling on.


  • #6903
    kris_2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭kris_2021


    Graham wrote: »
    The article you linked to has the following title:

    The land with no face masks:

    Cases have more than doubled in a week.

    I don't think that really makes the point you were hoping.

    Again use your brain and compare this with other countries forcing people into wearing masks. Belgium would be best.

    Ireland is trying to force people now last few weeks and u can see it doesn't work (masks). Simple as that. If u want to wear it that is fine.


  • #6904
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    kris_2021 wrote: »
    Again use your brain and compare this with other countries forcing people into wearing masks. Belgium would be best.

    Ireland is trying to force people now last few weeks and u can see it doesn't work (masks). Simple as that. If u want to wear it that is fine.

    You presented Holland as an example of why masks aren't necessary (not me).

    Cases in Holland have more than doubled in a week, 421 new cases yesterday.

    Advice from the Dutch authorities is contradictory at best;

    Masks do nothing, you must wear a mask on public transport

    FACE MASKS MANDATORY IN PARTS OF AMSTERDAM, ROTTERDAM FROM AUG. 5

    I'd rather we didn't follow the Dutch if it's all the same.


  • #6905
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Yes: surgical
    Hahaha from I'm not right in the head.com

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    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #6906
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    You presented Holland as an example of why masks aren't necessary (not me).

    Cases in Holland have more than doubled in a week, 421 new cases yesterday.

    Advice from the Dutch authorities is contradictory at best;

    Masks do nothing, you must wear a mask on public transport

    FACE MASKS MANDATORY IN PARTS OF AMSTERDAM, ROTTERDAM FROM AUG. 5

    I'd rather we didn't follow the Dutch if it's all the same.

    The reality is that there is no correlation between the use of masks and a reduction in the number of cases.
    The reality is that the majority of people do not have Covid
    The reality is that there is a very small chance of contracting corona
    The reality is that there is a very low probability that you will die of Corona virus

    Taking all that into account wear a mask if it makes you feel better but don’t try and enforce your hysteria on the rest of the population who are statistically very unlikely to contract Corona.


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  • #6907
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    The reality is, masks limit the spread of coronavirus in airborne droplets.


  • #6908
    kris_2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭kris_2021


    Graham wrote: »
    You presented Holland as an example of why masks aren't necessary (not me).

    Cases in Holland have more than doubled in a week, 421 new cases yesterday.

    Advice from the Dutch authorities is contradictory at best;

    Masks do nothing, you must wear a mask on public transport

    FACE MASKS MANDATORY IN PARTS OF AMSTERDAM, ROTTERDAM FROM AUG. 5

    I'd rather we didn't follow the Dutch if it's all the same.

    And again ignoring other countries numbers that force people into masks. No point discussing it with you.

    BTW Irish numbers are increasing significantly even though most people do wear masks now in shops...


  • #6909
    Eduard Khil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Eduard Khil


    No: I don't care enough
    I can't fathom how or why anyone wearing a mask doesn't cover their nose with it, wear one properly or don't bother.


  • #6910
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Brilliant sh1t :D we learn something new everyday, undernose community made my sunday lol


  • #6911
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    limnam wrote: »
    Social distancing is what works. IMO you shouldn't be anywhere that can be avoided. All non essentials should remain closed. WFH where possible etc.
    So you want to close nearly shops, all restaurants and put hundreds of thousands of people back on emergency payments ? For years? How will that work?

    We can keep all these places open once people get used to being a bit more careful - something that's not remotely unique to Ireland.


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  • #6912
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society


  • #6913
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No: I don't care enough
    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    The reality is that there is no correlation between the use of masks and a reduction in the number of cases.
    The reality is that the majority of people do not have Covid
    The reality is that there is a very small chance of contracting corona
    The reality is that there is a very low probability that you will die of Corona virus

    Taking all that into account wear a mask if it makes you feel better but don’t try and enforce your hysteria on the rest of the population who are statistically very unlikely to contract Corona.

    And because a given risk is 'small' there is never any merit in taking steps to reduce it further? Who gets to decide when a risk meets this threshold of 'smallness'?


  • #6914
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,339 ✭✭✭Allinall


    GT89 wrote: »
    Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

    Only on boards, I’d say.

    Not seeing any evidence of it anywhere else.


  • #6915
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    ixoy wrote: »
    So you want to close nearly shops, all restaurants and put hundreds of thousands of people back on emergency payments ? For years? How will that work?

    We can keep all these places open once people get used to being a bit more careful - something that's not remotely unique to Ireland.


    The problem is, or at least what I'm seeing is people are not getting used to it. They're ignoring it the more we loosen the restrictions. It takes a very small number of cases to grow very quickly, this will cause them to re-close anyway.


    As we're seeing many places having to re-introduce lock-down measures.


  • #6916
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

    Yes to a limited but increasing degree.

    This would all stop if everyone wore a mask with the added bonus of limiting further spread of the virus.


  • #6917
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    The reality is, masks limit the spread of coronavirus in airborne droplets.

    For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.


  • #6918
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    For the 10 people in the country who have the virus

    So now you're making up figures to try and support your argument?

    Covid-19: 45 additional cases
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0801/1156872-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #6919
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    And because a given risk is 'small' there is never any merit in taking steps to reduce it further? Who gets to decide when a risk meets this threshold of 'smallness'?

    But to what degree? The measures are disproportionate to the risks considering the number of people who have the virus, the likelihood of contracting it and the very low probability of death.


  • #6920
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Allinall wrote: »
    Only on boards, I’d say.

    Not seeing any evidence of it anywhere else.

    There has been security killed in shops in the US for refusing customers not wearing masks. There has been demonstrations in the U.K. solely on the topic. It’s probably one of the most divisive issues on Covid after mortality rate. What you see here is minimal compared to everywhere else.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506237/California-security-guard-faces-murder-charges-shooting-dead-customer-not-wearing-mask.html

    https://youtu.be/3SxOw_3gAeQ


  • #6921
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Yes: surgical
    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

    OK.... How can you honestly believe only 10 have it?


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  • #6922
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    But to what degree? The measures are disproportionate to the risks considering the number of people who have the virus, the likelihood of contracting it and the very low probability of death.

    Wearing a mask is disproportionate to preventing the spread of a deadly virus?

    Honestly?


  • #6923
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    limnam wrote: »
    The problem is, or at least what I'm seeing is people are not getting used to it. They're ignoring it the more we loosen the restrictions. It takes a very small number of cases to grow very quickly, this will cause them to re-close anyway.


    As we're seeing many places having to re-introduce lock-down measures.
    Re-introducing lockdown measures is a political must for any country who put all their eggs in the lockdown theory. Not locking down when cases spike is political suicide for those who took away so flippantly the most basic of human rights from millions of people.


  • #6924
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    So now you're making up figures to try and support your argument?

    Covid-19: 45 additional cases
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0801/1156872-coronavirus-ireland/

    You get the point. Address the substance of the post please.


  • #6925
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    Wearing a mask is disproportionate to preventing the spread of a deadly virus?

    Honestly?

    The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?


  • #6926
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Posters were saying only 3 had it in Ireland earlier on.


  • #6927
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

    It looks like you have some kind of mental barrier to understand that it doesn't matter how little are numbers of active cases in the moment. We want to keep them low. That's why masks as a precaution.. Restrictions are easing up, people travel etc. so there will be increase in cases and no one knows into what extent. That's why we should still keep doing SD, hygiene etc.


  • #6928
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?

    Come back when we have a deadly global flu pandemic and we'll review the details.

    This isn't a discussion about the flu.


  • #6929
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Spiderman0081 wrote: »
    Re-introducing lockdown measures is a political must for any country who put all their eggs in the lockdown theory. Not locking down when cases spike is political suicide for those who took away so flippantly the most basic of human rights from millions of people.

    Oh god, not this again please.


  • #6930
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    No: other
    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

    Again people have zero understanding of exponential growth it seems and the uselessness of introducing mitigation measures only when the number looks 'big'

    Mask advice is about keeping the reproduction number to a controllable level. Where a small number doesn't massively increase in short notice. Where contract tracing and beds aren't going to be overwhelmed.

    It really probably won't be enough by itself to wear the mask but it is just one of several guidelines which don't include putting the economy in a coma all over again. We need to avoid this, we can't tolerate another lockdown. Being asked to wear masks is piss next to more lockdowns


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  • #6931
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?

    Actually yes we should. Wearing masks during periods of high transmission of contagious virus is common in many countries. During our flu season which is highest from November to February, where thousands get sick and many die, why not require mask wearing in public transport and enclosed spaces like supermarkets where social distancing is difficult. If it prevents illness and transmission for little effort then we should. Are you against reducing transmission of any virus?


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