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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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Graham

kris_2021 wrote: »

Again use your brain and compare this with other countries forcing people into wearing masks. Belgium would be best.

Ireland is trying to force people now last few weeks and u can see it doesn't work (masks). Simple as that. If u want to wear it that is fine.

You presented Holland as an example of why masks aren't necessary (not me).

Cases in Holland have more than doubled in a week, 421 new cases yesterday.

Advice from the Dutch authorities is contradictory at best;

Masks do nothing, you must wear a mask on public transport

FACE MASKS MANDATORY IN PARTS OF AMSTERDAM, ROTTERDAM FROM AUG. 5

I'd rather we didn't follow the Dutch if it's all the same.

bodhrandude

Hahaha from I'm not right in the head.com

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Graham wrote: »

You presented Holland as an example of why masks aren't necessary (not me).

Cases in Holland have more than doubled in a week, 421 new cases yesterday.

Advice from the Dutch authorities is contradictory at best;

Masks do nothing, you must wear a mask on public transport

FACE MASKS MANDATORY IN PARTS OF AMSTERDAM, ROTTERDAM FROM AUG. 5

I'd rather we didn't follow the Dutch if it's all the same.

The reality is that there is no correlation between the use of masks and a reduction in the number of cases.
The reality is that the majority of people do not have Covid
The reality is that there is a very small chance of contracting corona
The reality is that there is a very low probability that you will die of Corona virus

Taking all that into account wear a mask if it makes you feel better but don’t try and enforce your hysteria on the rest of the population who are statistically very unlikely to contract Corona.

Graham

The reality is, masks limit the spread of coronavirus in airborne droplets.

kris_2021

Graham wrote: »

You presented Holland as an example of why masks aren't necessary (not me).

Cases in Holland have more than doubled in a week, 421 new cases yesterday.

Advice from the Dutch authorities is contradictory at best;

Masks do nothing, you must wear a mask on public transport

FACE MASKS MANDATORY IN PARTS OF AMSTERDAM, ROTTERDAM FROM AUG. 5

I'd rather we didn't follow the Dutch if it's all the same.

And again ignoring other countries numbers that force people into masks. No point discussing it with you.

BTW Irish numbers are increasing significantly even though most people do wear masks now in shops...

Eduard Khil

I can't fathom how or why anyone wearing a mask doesn't cover their nose with it, wear one properly or don't bother.

xhomelezz

Brilliant sh1t

we learn something new everyday, undernose community made my sunday lol

ixoy

limnam wrote: »

Social distancing is what works. IMO you shouldn't be anywhere that can be avoided. All non essentials should remain closed. WFH where possible etc.

So you want to close nearly shops, all restaurants and put hundreds of thousands of people back on emergency payments ? For years? How will that work?

We can keep all these places open once people get used to being a bit more careful - something that's not remotely unique to Ireland.

GT89

Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

Loafing Oaf

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The reality is that there is no correlation between the use of masks and a reduction in the number of cases.
The reality is that the majority of people do not have Covid
The reality is that there is a very small chance of contracting corona
The reality is that there is a very low probability that you will die of Corona virus

Taking all that into account wear a mask if it makes you feel better but don’t try and enforce your hysteria on the rest of the population who are statistically very unlikely to contract Corona.

And because a given risk is 'small' there is never any merit in taking steps to reduce it further? Who gets to decide when a risk meets this threshold of 'smallness'?

Allinall

GT89 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

Only on boards, I’d say.

Not seeing any evidence of it anywhere else.

limnam

ixoy wrote: »

So you want to close nearly shops, all restaurants and put hundreds of thousands of people back on emergency payments ? For years? How will that work?

We can keep all these places open once people get used to being a bit more careful - something that's not remotely unique to Ireland.

The problem is, or at least what I'm seeing is people are not getting used to it. They're ignoring it the more we loosen the restrictions. It takes a very small number of cases to grow very quickly, this will cause them to re-close anyway.

As we're seeing many places having to re-introduce lock-down measures.

Graham

GT89 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the whole mask wearing debate is leading to unesscary tensions, confrontations and arguments in society

Yes to a limited but increasing degree.

This would all stop if everyone wore a mask with the added bonus of limiting further spread of the virus.

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Graham wrote: »

The reality is, masks limit the spread of coronavirus in airborne droplets.

For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

Graham

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

For the 10 people in the country who have the virus

So now you're making up figures to try and support your argument?

Covid-19: 45 additional cases
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0801/1156872-coronavirus-ireland/

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Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And because a given risk is 'small' there is never any merit in taking steps to reduce it further? Who gets to decide when a risk meets this threshold of 'smallness'?

But to what degree? The measures are disproportionate to the risks considering the number of people who have the virus, the likelihood of contracting it and the very low probability of death.

joeguevara

Allinall wrote: »

Only on boards, I’d say.

Not seeing any evidence of it anywhere else.

There has been security killed in shops in the US for refusing customers not wearing masks. There has been demonstrations in the U.K. solely on the topic. It’s probably one of the most divisive issues on Covid after mortality rate. What you see here is minimal compared to everywhere else.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506237/California-security-guard-faces-murder-charges-shooting-dead-customer-not-wearing-mask.html

https://youtu.be/3SxOw_3gAeQ

EyesClosed

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

OK.... How can you honestly believe only 10 have it?

Graham

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But to what degree? The measures are disproportionate to the risks considering the number of people who have the virus, the likelihood of contracting it and the very low probability of death.

Wearing a mask is disproportionate to preventing the spread of a deadly virus?

Honestly?

Spiderman0081

limnam wrote: »

The problem is, or at least what I'm seeing is people are not getting used to it. They're ignoring it the more we loosen the restrictions. It takes a very small number of cases to grow very quickly, this will cause them to re-close anyway.

As we're seeing many places having to re-introduce lock-down measures.

Re-introducing lockdown measures is a political must for any country who put all their eggs in the lockdown theory. Not locking down when cases spike is political suicide for those who took away so flippantly the most basic of human rights from millions of people.

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Graham wrote: »

So now you're making up figures to try and support your argument?

Covid-19: 45 additional cases
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0801/1156872-coronavirus-ireland/

You get the point. Address the substance of the post please.

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Graham wrote: »

Wearing a mask is disproportionate to preventing the spread of a deadly virus?

Honestly?

The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?

joeguevara

Posters were saying only 3 had it in Ireland earlier on.

xhomelezz

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

It looks like you have some kind of mental barrier to understand that it doesn't matter how little are numbers of active cases in the moment. We want to keep them low. That's why masks as a precaution.. Restrictions are easing up, people travel etc. so there will be increase in cases and no one knows into what extent. That's why we should still keep doing SD, hygiene etc.

Graham

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?

Come back when we have a deadly global flu pandemic and we'll review the details.

This isn't a discussion about the flu.

xhomelezz

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Re-introducing lockdown measures is a political must for any country who put all their eggs in the lockdown theory. Not locking down when cases spike is political suicide for those who took away so flippantly the most basic of human rights from millions of people.

Oh god, not this again please.

one armed dwarf

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

For the 10 people in the country who have the virus and even at that there is no correlation between those 10 people wearing a mask and a reduction in the number of cases. So are the rest of the of the population going to wear a mask because a tiny fraction of people have the virus? Makes no sense.

Again people have zero understanding of exponential growth it seems and the uselessness of introducing mitigation measures only when the number looks 'big'

Mask advice is about keeping the reproduction number to a controllable level. Where a small number doesn't massively increase in short notice. Where contract tracing and beds aren't going to be overwhelmed.

It really probably won't be enough by itself to wear the mask but it is just one of several guidelines which don't include putting the economy in a coma all over again. We need to avoid this, we can't tolerate another lockdown. Being asked to wear masks is piss next to more lockdowns

joeguevara

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?

Actually yes we should. Wearing masks during periods of high transmission of contagious virus is common in many countries. During our flu season which is highest from November to February, where thousands get sick and many die, why not require mask wearing in public transport and enclosed spaces like supermarkets where social distancing is difficult. If it prevents illness and transmission for little effort then we should. Are you against reducing transmission of any virus?

GT89

Allinall wrote: »

Only on boards, I’d say.

Not seeing any evidence of it anywhere else.

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.

Do not criticise or judge people who are not able to wear a face covering.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

ixoy

limnam wrote: »

The problem is, or at least what I'm seeing is people are not getting used to it. They're ignoring it the more we loosen the restrictions. It takes a very small number of cases to grow very quickly, this will cause them to re-close anyway.

So close them down because they might close anyway? There's a flaw there.

What a better approach might be is to make the message about masks more strongly - which I don't think is really what's happening. Be a lot more blunt:

"Wear a mask to stop the spread or else we'll probably have to shut places down again. Do you want that?"

I was in Lidl earlier, and compliance was middling - and nothing on the one selfish moron who was coughing repeatedly. Penneys was better. But rather than shut the places down on these people, make them understand the potential consequences of not getting the numbers down.