Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

alwald · 01-08-2020 11:35PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Its simple statistics though, if one group of people have 1 in a 100 chance of dying from it and the other group 1 in 5, of course its better news the 1 in a 100 group get the majority of the cases. How can you even question this.

If your "statistics", especially in light of what we know about C-19, are based on recovery and death only, then they are of no use at all.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:35PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Personally I'd choose my cousin, he's from Mayo

There's circumstances such as this which are allowed

gmisk · 01-08-2020 11:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're using one person to say that it'll be the same for everyone else. I know a fella in his 50s who has had it and he was back running the roads within a week. It can go both ways.

I am not...I just gave one personal example of a young healthy person who had a tough time with it, your the one saying it is pretty much harmless to young people not me. I also said you don't know if there is any long term impact on people down the line...but you choose to ignore that part of my response.

Arghus · 01-08-2020 11:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Of course but we don't live in an ideal world

Ah, but we must try our best.

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 11:36PM

Vlad has to first.

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-russia-says-it-will-roll-out-a-covid-19-vaccine-to-citizens-in-october-12040635

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:36PM

gmisk wrote: »

I am not...I just gave one personal example of a young healthy person who had a tough time with it, your the one saying it is pretty much harmless to young people not me. I also said you don't know if there is any long term impact on people down the line...but you choose to ignore that part of my response.

That fact literally proves that nobody on here can preach about long-term side effects when they don't even exist as of now, in terms of studies.

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 11:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're asking ridiculous questions, and making up highly unlikely scenarios, if you don't mind me saying. I don't deal in whatabout-ery.

Not stupid questions, they are valid questions because you seem to think you know more about this virus and how it affects people than anyone else.

fr336 · 01-08-2020 11:37PM

Those damn curtain twitchers....trying to save lives and that. Still, a good way of shutting concerned people down - just brand anyone not positive enough as a curtain twitcher, a nervous wreck, a saddo...the list goes on.

niallo27 · 01-08-2020 11:38PM

alwald wrote: »

If your "statistics", especially in light of what we know about C-19, are based on recovery and death only, then they are of no use at all.

What statistics do you want to use that places a person in their 20s in the same risk category as someone in their 80s.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:38PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Not stupid questions, they are valid questions because you seem to think you know more about this virus and how it affects people than anyone else.

I seem to know more? I gave you the figures, you chose to ignore them, and you're claiming that it has long-term effects. Show me a study over a long period of time that shows these effects and I'll read it.

fritzelly · 01-08-2020 11:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Vlad has to first.

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-russia-says-it-will-roll-out-a-covid-19-vaccine-to-citizens-in-october-12040635

And if everyone still catches it after it just means they weren't drinking enough vodka (the west will never hear of any failures by Russia)

John O.Groats · 01-08-2020 11:43PM

fr336 wrote: »

Those damn curtain twitchers....trying to save lives and that. Still, a good way of shutting concerned people down - just brand anyone not positive enough as a curtain twitcher, a nervous wreck, a saddo...the list goes on.

Indeed. The default response it seems.

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 11:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I seem to know more? I gave you the figures, you chose to ignore them, and you're claiming that it has long-term effects. Show me a study over a long period of time that shows these effects and I'll read it.

No results yet as its only started, but you have to ask why would they do if they are sure there was none
https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/major-study-into-long-term-health-effects-of-covid-19-launched-in-the-uk/25200

Now show me proof that your cousin wont die if he got infected and you show me a long term study that shows there are no long term side effects.

gmisk · 01-08-2020 11:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That fact literally proves that nobody on here can preach about long-term side effects when they don't even exist as of now, in terms of studies.

It's not a fact.....but the indications are that some people might have more long term effects.
For example SARS and MERS left about a 3rd of survivors with long term lung damage, so not outrageous to say COVID-19 could be similar.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/02/covid-health-effects

The above aren't exactly promising when it comes to some people not having long term side effects.

alwald · 01-08-2020 11:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What statistics do you want to use that places a person in their 20s in the same risk category as someone in their 80s.

Some posters here are giving percentages of death only which is laughable. Statistics should contain much more such as the number of close contacts infected, ICU figures, long term illness from the virus and the list goes on.

The advice from NPHET and WHO is directed to all and not to one age group or another.

Widdensushi · 01-08-2020 11:48PM

spookwoman wrote: »

No results yet as its only started, but you have to ask why would they do if they are sure there was none
https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/major-study-into-long-term-health-effects-of-covid-19-launched-in-the-uk/25200

Now show me proof that your cousin wont die if he got infected and you show me a long term study that shows there are no long term side effects.

We are all going to die, some will have lived a full life, some won't, I am not talking about age, have a good weekend, get out and make the most of life

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 11:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That fact literally proves that nobody on here can preach about long-term side effects when they don't even exist as of now, in terms of studies.

And you cannot preach about no long side effects when there is no long term studies published.

podgeandrodge · 01-08-2020 11:57PM

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podgeandrodge · 01-08-2020 11:59PM

spookwoman wrote: »

To put it bluntly then who would you rather sacrifice, your cousin or your grandmother, because you don't know if either have a 100% chance of surving the virus if they got it.

https://twitter.com/imaginaryvigil/status/1289129307558645762?s=20

https://twitter.com/imaginaryvigil/status/1289129307558645762?s=20
I know people will disagree with me, but her message "Stay at Home" seems a bit dated. People are moving on, they have to.

gmisk · 01-08-2020 11:59PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

We are all going to die, some will have lived a full life, some won't, I am not talking about age, have a good weekend, get out and make the most of life

I agree entirely, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take sensible precautions when you are out and about, and if going somewhere pick a venue that does the same.
I have two places booked for lunch and dinner tomorrow and really looking forward to it.
I have a dog so out of the house a good bit whether I like it or not!

Voltairey · 02-08-2020 12:05AM

Wow i did not expect this thread to be so filled with hate.

I think a lot of you need to take a step back from fighting with each other and just calm down. It's typical deflection behaviour. You're clearly afraid and trying to apportion blame or rationalise it by saying that everyone else is overreacting.

There's a reason entire countries have ground to a halt. Alright, the spread is predominantly among younger people so the hospitalisations and deaths are down. But it's a new virus and this is a situation that has never happened before in our lifetimes.

The completely spurious arguments about who you'd rather have dying of the virus are absolutely bizzare. Let's just try our best to make sure nobody gets sick and call out anyone who seems to be acting without due consideration for the circumstances. I get the impression that if we were back at 300 cases per day, some posters here would still be acting the bollocks and telling people they're "lockdown merchants" and the like.

This is honestly one of the most bewildering, lawless Covid message boards I've read anywhere on the internet. I feel sorry for anyone actually looking for useful information or trying to post something they've discovered with the amount of bullying and attack dogs here.

maebee · 02-08-2020 12:05AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Since when does wanting to visit a pub = dependance on alcohol? What a backwards way of thinking. I’m in my early 20s and love visiting pubs for the atmosphere.

I'm totally shocked at this - that you Citizen are in your early 20s :eek: With your (extremely valuable) knowledge and brilliance at figures, I would have placed you in your early 50s

LiquidZeb · 02-08-2020 12:12AM

fr336 wrote: »

Those damn curtain twitchers....trying to save lives and that. Still, a good way of shutting concerned people down - just brand anyone not positive enough as a curtain twitcher, a nervous wreck, a saddo...the list goes on.

How is posting on an internet forum saving lives? You're not on Baywatch jumping into the ocean lad.

spookwoman · 02-08-2020 12:12AM

Voltairey wrote: »

Wow i did not expect this thread to be so filled with hate.

I think a lot of you need to take a step back from fighting with each other and just calm down. It's typical deflection behaviour. You're clearly afraid and trying to apportion blame or rationalise it by saying that everyone else is overreacting.

There's a reason entire countries have ground to a halt. Alright, the spread is predominantly among younger people so the hospitalisations and deaths are down. But it's a new virus and this is a situation that has never happened before in our lifetimes.

The completely spurious arguments about who you'd rather have dying of the virus are absolutely bizzare. Let's just try our best to make sure nobody gets sick and call out anyone who seems to be acting without due consideration for the circumstances. I get the impression that if we were back at 300 cases per day, some posters here would still be acting the bollocks and telling people they're "lockdown merchants" and the like.

This is honestly one of the most bewildering, lawless Covid message boards I've read anywhere on the internet. I feel sorry for anyone actually looking for useful information or trying to post something they've discovered with the amount of bullying and attack dogs here.

I don't come here often now because there are a number of posters that seem to have just taken over and only their views are allowed and no one is allowed to question them. A lot of the posters from the start have left because of this.

John O.Groats · 02-08-2020 12:14AM

Voltairey wrote: »

Wow i did not expect this thread to be so filled with hate.

I think a lot of you need to take a step back from fighting with each other and just calm down. It's typical deflection behaviour. You're clearly afraid and trying to apportion blame or rationalise it by saying that everyone else is overreacting.

There's a reason entire countries have ground to a halt. Alright, the spread is predominantly among younger people so the hospitalisations and deaths are down. But it's a new virus and this is a situation that has never happened before in our lifetimes.

The completely spurious arguments about who you'd rather have dying of the virus are absolutely bizzare. Let's just try our best to make sure nobody gets sick and call out anyone who seems to be acting without due consideration for the circumstances. I get the impression that if we were back at 300 cases per day, some posters here would still be acting the bollocks and telling people they're "lockdown merchants" and the like.

This is honestly one of the most bewildering, lawless Covid message boards I've read anywhere on the internet. I feel sorry for anyone actually looking for useful information or trying to post something they've discovered with the amount of bullying and attack dogs here.

There are some nuggets of useful information posted here. Unfortunately you do have to trawl through a lot of dross to unearth them.

Arghus · 02-08-2020 12:16AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

How is posting on an internet forum saving lives? You're not on Baywatch jumping into the ocean lad.

I suppose you might keep people occupied who'd otherwise be out in the pub?

LiquidZeb · 02-08-2020 12:17AM

spookwoman wrote: »

I don't come here often now because there are a number of posters that seem to have just taken over and only their views are allowed and no one is allowed to question them. A lot of the posters from the start have left because of this.

People disagreeing with me? On MY internet? Unacceptable!

igCorcaigh · 02-08-2020 12:19AM

maebee wrote: »

I'm totally shocked at this - that you Citizen are in your early 20s :eek: With your (extremely valuable) knowledge and brilliance at figures, I would have placed you in your early 50s

Yeah I pictured ACE well into their career path too!

Good on you Citizen and keep posting here, I certainly value it!

LiquidZeb · 02-08-2020 12:20AM

Arghus wrote: »

I suppose you might keep people occupied who'd otherwise be out in the pub?

Yeah I suppose. There just seems to be a group of people who think posting on an internet forum is the equivalent of fighting off the Nazis at Stalingrad or something.

Arghus · 02-08-2020 12:22AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah I suppose. There just seems to be a group of people who think posting on an internet forum is the equivalent of fighting off the Nazis at Stalingrad or something.

The bitterest battles are those with the lowest stakes.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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