Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

niallo27 · 01-08-2020 11:13PM

spookwoman wrote: »

WTF

Because they are young and getting infected "Which is a good thing because chances are they'll be fine and won't die". Are you even reading the stats you are posting about hospitalisations, deaths and the ages. I know they don't have the numbers but even the medical professionals are reporting young healthy people who got Covid have long term damage to their internal organs.

I know on the 6/5/2020 published a report on the amount of deaths for the age groups. There may be a newer report I'll have to check.

15-19 <5
20-24 <5
25-29 <5
30-34 <5
35-39 6

Those people had families, their whole lives ahead of them.

You're coming out with some stuff today that's eligible for the Darwin Awards

Simple question would you prefer a person in their 20s to get it or in their 80s. Do you think its an equal risk for both.

Voltairey · 01-08-2020 11:15PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Id love a breakdown on the CFR for those below 40.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

alwald · 01-08-2020 11:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How is it misleading?
Less than 5 people under the age of 24 have died with COVID-19 in Ireland.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries8/

First young doesn't mean under 24 only, second I rather listen and trust the experts who base their opinion on science.
Again it's common sense that a rise in infection in young people is worrying and cannot be taken lightly.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:17PM

alwald wrote: »

First young doesn't mean under 24 only, second I rather listen and trust the experts who base their opinion on science.
Again it's common sense that a rise in infection in young people is worrying and cannot be taken lightly.

Do you disagree that it is better for young people to get it than older people, as I previously stated, before you called me misleading and wrong?

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 11:19PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Simple question would you prefer a person in their 20s to get it or in their 80s. Do you think its an equal risk for both.

would you prefer if a family member got it or someone else. Maybe even someone with an undiagnosed underlying medical condition that is in their 20's?

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:20PM

spookwoman wrote: »

would you prefer if a family member got it or someone else. Maybe even someone with an undiagnosed underlying medical condition that is in their 20's?

I'd rather my 17 year old cousin got it than my 89 year old grandmother, but maybe that's just me

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 11:20PM

This lad reckons we need to learn to live alongside the virus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/who-chief-covid-19-impact-will-be-felt-for-decades-to-come-1.4319811?mode=amp

alwald · 01-08-2020 11:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you disagree that it is better for young people to get it than older people, as I previously stated, before you called me misleading and wrong?

I am going to quote you again

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Which is a good thing because chances are they'll be fine and won't die.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:21PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This lad reckons we need to live alongside the virus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/who-chief-covid-19-impact-will-be-felt-for-decades-to-come-1.4319811?mode=amp

The head of the WHO saying we must live alongside it and get on with life? Nuh-uh, wrong.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:22PM

alwald wrote: »

I am going to quote you again

As I said, less than 5 people have died from COVID-19 under the age of 20... Less than 22 under the age of 40 out of well over 10,000 cases (CFR of less than 0.2%, likely IFR much much smaller.)

SeaBreezes · 01-08-2020 11:22PM

The World Health Organization has warned the coronavirus pandemic was likely to be "lengthy" after its emergency committee met to evaluate the crisis six months after sounding the international alarm.

Many scientific questions have been resolved; many remain to be answered," Mr Tedros said yesterday.

"Most of the world's people remain susceptible to this virus, even in areas that have experienced severe outbreaks."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0801/1156903-who-lengthy-pandemic-covid-19/

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 11:23PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd rather my 17 year old cousin got it than my 89 year old grandmother, but maybe that's just me

To put it bluntly then who would you rather sacrifice, your cousin or your grandmother, because you don't know if either have a 100% chance of surving the virus if they got it.

https://twitter.com/imaginaryvigil/status/1289129307558645762?s=20

Voltairey · 01-08-2020 11:23PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Simple question would you prefer a person in their 20s to get it or in their 80s. Do you think its an equal risk for both.

I think anyone with any sense would prefer that nobody of those two categories got it. The choice seems to be a likely death for the over eighties and a lengthy recovery with long-term breathing, blood vessel and/or organ issues for a huge percentage of people who get this, even among those presenting with mild symptoms.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:24PM

spookwoman wrote: »

To put it bluntly then who would you rather sacrifice, your cousin or your grandmother, because you don't know if either have a 100% chance of survival.

I know my cousin has a much higher chance of survival because less than 5 people under the age of 20 have died here from it....

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 11:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The head of the WHO saying we must live alongside it and get on with life? Nuh-uh, wrong.

It's nice to see him finally come around to my way of thinking. ;-)

Although no harm in being hopeful for a vaccine, things are looking good on that front.

alwald · 01-08-2020 11:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As I said, less than 5 people have died from COVID-19 under the age of 20... Less than 22 under the age of 40 out of well over 10,000 cases (CFR of less than 0.2%, likely IFR much much smaller.)

I am not gonna go in circle with you, I will ignore any further replies from you as the advice/analysis of the experts and the worldwide figures don't match your narrative.

El Weirdo · 01-08-2020 11:25PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Why are people suggesting we haven't got this under control? Deaths, hospitalisations, ICU admissions are all staying low. We're clearly picking up a higher number of asymptomatic or very mild cases.

And that's a doctor saying that.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:25PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's nice to see him finally come around to my way of thinking. ;-)

Although no harm in being hopeful for a vaccine, things are looking good on that front.

Vaccine news is incredibly encouraging, further enforcing the need for us to just get on with it, with a vaccine so close.

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 11:25PM

Voltairey wrote: »

I think anyone with any sense would prefer that nobody of those two categories got it. The choice seems to be a likely death for the over eighties and a lengthy recovery with long-term breathing, blood vessel and/or organ issues for a huge percentage of people who get this, even among those presenting with mild symptoms.

My neighbour got it, mid fifties. Full recovery according to her. Back to work since last week.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:26PM

alwald wrote: »

I am not gonna go in circle with you, I will ignore any further replies from you as the advice/analysis of the experts and the worldwide figures don't match your narrative.

Okay, I guess the Central Statistics Office of the Republic of Ireland is wrong. Have a good life.

gmisk · 01-08-2020 11:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It doesn't even register in some people's minds that it is likely to be harmless for the vast majority of younger people.

Harmless come on?
My husband's boss has been in bits for 3 months she is in her 30s and no underlying health condition etc. You also have no idea if it could do lasting damage down the line in some people, even young ones.

Arghus · 01-08-2020 11:29PM

In fairness to Citizen he did say "chances are they won't die from it" - which is a statement of fact. If you are under a certain age you probably won't die from it, it's not impossible, but, fck me, those odds are pretty damn low.

Though I certainly wouldn't be as quick to dismiss the odds of young people getting it and passing it on to people who could die from it. Which, I would think, is surely the real issue of concern?

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:29PM

gmisk wrote: »

Harmless come on?
My husband's boss has been in bits for 3 months she is in her 30s and no underlying health condition etc. You also have no idea if it could do lasting damage down the line in some people, even young ones.

You're using one person to say that it'll be the same for everyone else. I know a fella in his 50s who has had it and he was back running the roads within a week. It can go both ways.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:30PM

Arghus wrote: »

In fairness to Citizen he did say "chances arethey won't die from it" - which is a statement of fact. If you are under a certain age you probably won't die from it, it's not impossible, but, fck me, those odds are pretty damn low.

Though I certainly wouldn't be as quick to dismiss the odds of young people getting it and passing it on to people who could die from it. Which, I would think, is surely the real issue of concern?

Obviously yes, this is of course the concern. My point is I'd rather have young people infected than older people, which seems to have gotten blurred by other posters.

niallo27 · 01-08-2020 11:31PM

spookwoman wrote: »

would you prefer if a family member got it or someone else. Maybe even someone with an undiagnosed underlying medical condition that is in their 20's?

Its simple statistics though, if one group of people have 1 in a 100 chance of dying from it and the other group 1 in 5, of course its better news the 1 in a 100 group get the majority of the cases. How can you even question this.

Arghus · 01-08-2020 11:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Obviously yes, this is of course the concern. My point is I'd rather have young people infected than older people, which seems to have gotten blurred by other posters.

I'd rather have neither group infected, if it can be avoided. I think that works out best for everybody!

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:33PM

Arghus wrote: »

I'd rather have neither group infected, if it can be avoided. I think that works out best for everybody!

Of course but we don't live in an ideal world

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 11:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I know my cousin has a much higher chance of survival because less than 5 people under the age of 20 have died here from it....

How do you know, are you a medical doctor with a crystal ball that knows his full medical history and recently done an invasive examination to check everything is 100%. Can you see into the future and only see probably futures that involve him recovering with zero problem?

Are you Doctor Strange?

FintanMcluskey · 01-08-2020 11:34PM

spookwoman wrote: »

To put it bluntly then who would you rather sacrifice, your cousin or your grandmother, because you don't know if either have a 100% chance of surving the virus if they got it.

https://twitter.com/imaginaryvigil/status/1289129307558645762?s=20

Personally I'd choose my cousin, he's from Mayo

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 11:34PM

spookwoman wrote: »

How do you know, are you a medical doctor with a crystal ball that knows his full medical history and recently done an invasive examination to check everything is 100%. Can you see into the future and only see probably futures that involve him recovering with zero problem?

Are you Doctor Strange?

You're asking ridiculous questions, and making up highly unlikely scenarios, if you don't mind me saying. I don't deal in whatabout-ery. The numbers are there for you to see. I can't make it any clearer.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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