How will schools be able to go back in September?

timmy_mallet · 30-07-2020 10:01PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

What do you mean a charade? Who is getting their stories straight?

Govt. / unions / management / teachers.

KerryConnor · 30-07-2020 10:06PM

Yes of course its hypothetical we haven't returned yet... But it's the kind of numbers we should expect based on all the figures that have come out in the last 6 months.

I said long term because lots of people aren't fully recovering. Who knows if they ll be well in 6 or 12 months. I've never had a flue for 3 months that's awful.. Only time I was very ill was after having my first child... I was very sick for close to 3 months and it was horrible very depressing, but recover I did thank goodness . Your health is everything.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

So a complete hypothetical. As a society we have to decide if that is worth the risk, and by the sentiment here, it seems to be worth it.

Anecdotally, as a fit/healthy 21 yr old, I had the flu, and was effed for about 3 months after it.

wirelessdude01 · 30-07-2020 10:06PM

sideswipe wrote: »

There really should be an online learning system developed for the coming year. Kids with health issues or those that have vulnerable family members or even those who don’t want to risk the school environment could learn from home.
Less kids physically in school means reduced risk for everyone.

I think most primary school teachers thought that that would form some part of the announcement. There is no thought given to a plan B for those schools that will have to close for whatever length of time. We'll be back to the same crap we had before of parents complaints about one school and compliments for another with no common theme between them.

KerryConnor · 30-07-2020 10:09PM

I agree i'm so weary of fact that a blended or online option hasn't been included. The thought of returning to it without a proper structure with parents judging and giving out is awful.

Maybe they're working on it behind the scenes

am_zarathustra · 30-07-2020 10:17PM

Based on their diagrams and general formatting ability, I'd strongly suspect no one in the DOE is very tech savvy. Remote learning will continue to be very variable across schools.

I'll be interested to see who the statistical analysis for the Leaving Cert was farmed out to, my guess would be Accenture...sure as hell wasn't anyone in the Dept with a plan. That a ticking "freedom of information" bomb

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 10:17PM

grind gremlin wrote: »

If it’s like almost all other schools, desks are all doubles 120cm X 60cm. (I don’t think we have any single desks in our school).
Don’t forget the 2meter space around the teacher and the SNA.

Very good to article showing the environmental risks. Here's the example of a restaurant and how airflow and aerosols could be the only explanation.

Here's the airflow diagram.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 10:27PM

This is actually better again.

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-06-17/an-analysis-of-three-covid-19-outbreaks-how-they-happened-and-how-they-can-be-avoided.html

Jinglejangle69 · 30-07-2020 10:27PM

Anyone have the numbers for kids who have tested positive?

Dickie10 · 30-07-2020 10:27PM

wow numbers tonight dont look good. i wouldnt rule out another twist in going back to school tale yet.

timmy_mallet · 30-07-2020 10:30PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very good to article showing the environmental risks. Here's the example of a restaurant and how airflow and aerosols could be the only explanation.

Here's the airflow diagram.

Or it could have been the waiter.

timmy_mallet · 30-07-2020 10:33PM

KerryConnor wrote: »

Yes of course its hypothetical we haven't returned yet... But it's the kind of numbers we should expect based on all the figures that have come out in the last 6 months.

I said long term because lots of people aren't fully recovering. Who knows if they ll be well in 6 or 12 months. I've never had a flue for 3 months that's awful.. Only time I was very ill was after having my first child... I was very sick for close to 3 months and it was horrible very depressing, but recover I did thank goodness . Your health is everything.

I'd argue that might not have been flu... it wasnt pleasant, no. I lost about 20lbs as well. Anyway.

Well, yes, and why I've suggested it's a charade, we all know it's not going to happen, and that schools in Ireland are extremely unlikely to be ever open again until unions and teachers are happy with a vaccine.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 30-07-2020 10:34PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Or it could have been the waiter.

Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 10:35PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Or it could have been the waiter.

Yeah the other tables outside the zero patient airflow ordered food.
then he got the bus home in a city 2000 miles away......
I like the way you are thinking.
Could be one guy everywhere doing the spreading.
Kinda like Santa.

timmy_mallet · 30-07-2020 10:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah the other tables outside the zero patient airflow ordered food.
then he got the bus home in a city 2000 miles away......
I like the way you are thinking.
Could be one guy everywhere doing the spreading.
Kinda like Santa.

You said it could be the ONLY explanation. I put it to you that there could be another. Was the waiter washing his hands after disposing of eating utensils in the kitchen before bring out family C or Bs food? Or vice versa.

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 10:45PM

grind gremlin wrote: »

If it’s like almost all other schools, desks are all doubles 120cm X 60cm. (I don’t think we have any single desks in our school).
Don’t forget the 2meter space around the teacher and the SNA.

Yes completely doable. 3 tables together length ways measures 120×3 = 360cm leaving 240 cm at the top of a room 6m sits 6 pupils in a pod.

The width of the tables are 60cm. 2 of then together is 120 width. Meaning if the tables are pushed together theres 120cm between pupils

2 rows of that configuration sits 24 pupils and 1 row of 3 tables sits another 6.

Each pupils has 120cm between them and the pupils opposite them. 1m behind them and the student behind them and approx 1 m to each side. There still a strip of 2.4 meters wide x 7m at the top of the room for the sna and wheelchair &teacher.

KerryConnor · 30-07-2020 10:48PM

Sounds very nasty. We all feel invincible till we get hit with a bout of illness and then we appreciate our health so much.

Its not a charade, although I'm speaking for myself here. I ve got my head around primary (I'm a primary teacher) but would feel much better if my 12 n 14 year olds were going back to secondary 50%. Would you not feel apprehensive spending 5 or 6 40 min blocks of time each day in packed classroom s with full sized humans / no masks?

Perhaps I shouldn't feel comfortable with going back to primary with full classes but in contrast to secondary I think it's more OK.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I'd argue that might not have been flu... it wasnt pleasant, no. I lost about 20lbs as well. Anyway.

Well, yes, and why I've suggested it's a charade, we all know it's not going to happen, and that schools in Ireland are extremely unlikely to be ever open again until unions and teachers are happy with a vaccine.

Blondini · 30-07-2020 10:49PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Yes completely doable. 3 tables together length ways measures 120×3 = 360cm leaving 240 cm at the top of a room 6m sits 6 pupils in a pod.

The width of the tables are 60cm. 2 of then together is 120 width. Meaning if the tables are pushed together theres 120cm between pupils

2 rows of that configuration sits 24 pupils and 1 row of 3 tables sits another 6.

Each pupils has 120cm between them and the pupils opposite them. 1m behind them and the student behind them and approx 1 m to each side. There still a strip of 2.4 meters wide x 7m at the top of the room for the sna and wheelchair &teacher.

You're like the fcucking black knight who won't admit defeat..

Smacruairi · 30-07-2020 10:53PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Yes completely doable. 3 tables together length ways measures 120×3 = 360cm leaving 240 cm at the top of a room 6m sits 6 pupils in a pod.

The width of the tables are 60cm. 2 of then together is 120 width. Meaning if the tables are pushed together theres 120cm between pupils

2 rows of that configuration sits 24 pupils and 1 row of 3 tables sits another 6.

Each pupils has 120cm between them and the pupils opposite them. 1m behind them and the student behind them and approx 1 m to each side. There still a strip of 2.4 meters wide x 7m at the top of the room for the sna and wheelchair &teacher.

Draw that out with students at the table and you'll see immediately why that won't work. I appreciate your endeavour in trying to get it to work though. And also, as you see from all the DES diagrams, clustering people in pods is not for post primary.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 10:57PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

You said it could be the ONLY explanation.
I put it to you that there could be another. Was the waiter washing his hands after disposing of eating utensils in the kitchen before bring out family C or Bs food?
Or vice versa.

Whataboutery at it's finest. Also known as contortionist thinking.
I suggest you move on.

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Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 10:58PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah the other tables outside the zero patient airflow ordered food.
then he got the bus home in a city 2000 miles away......
I like the way you are thinking.
Could be one guy everywhere doing the spreading.
Kinda like Santa.

The air conditioning was in recycle mode. Researchers believe this is key.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 11:00PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

The air conditioning was in recycle mode. Researchers believe this is key.

Ok. Thanks for that.

This looks fvcked to me though. Look like a box of matches actually.

byhookorbycrook · 30-07-2020 11:01PM

sideswipe wrote: »

There really should be an online learning system developed for the coming year. Kids with health issues or those that have vulnerable family members or even those who don’t want to risk the school environment could learn from home.
Less kids physically in school means reduced risk for everyone.

The DES are seriously remiss here . It was left to individual teachers to try and manage through various platforms on a steep learning curve . Covid or not , the DES should have a system in place .

combat14 · 30-07-2020 11:02PM

sideswipe wrote: »

There really should be an online learning system developed for the coming year. Kids with health issues or those that have vulnerable family members or even those who don’t want to risk the school environment could learn from home.
Less kids physically in school means reduced risk for everyone.

incredible that not more work is being put into the online learning side of the return to teaching plan ..

not long ago (approx. 2 weeks) we were being advised that a return to phase 2 was on the cards .. it's hard to know what will happen over the winter months teachers and students need to be adequately prepared for blended learning if that is what potentially will be required..

downthemiddle · 30-07-2020 11:02PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I'd rather we didn't fall behind the rest of the developed world and fail our children. If someone wants to leave their child behind, that's their decision. But resposible parents want their children to receive an education.

I’m going to let you into a little secret.
90% of schools closed globally. Of those that closed only one third have reopened.
By the metric you are applying the majority of the world, developed or otherwise, are failing their children. There must be many irresponsible parents in your universe.
For me an irresponsible parent is one who is willing to risk the health of their children by insisting they return to an unsafe school environment.

grind gremlin · 30-07-2020 11:02PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Yes completely doable. 3 tables together length ways measures 120×3 = 360cm leaving 240 cm at the top of a room 6m sits 6 pupils in a pod.

The width of the tables are 60cm. 2 of then together is 120 width. Meaning if the tables are pushed together theres 120cm between pupils

2 rows of that configuration sits 24 pupils and 1 row of 3 tables sits another 6.

Each pupils has 120cm between them and the pupils opposite them. 1m behind them and the student behind them and approx 1 m to each side. There still a strip of 2.4 meters wide x 7m at the top of the room for the sna and wheelchair &teacher.

Don’t forget you need to add in a teachers desk. You have counted 3 meters of desk (120 + 120 + 60) and 2meters of space between desks but you haven’t allowed for the size of any of the students. If the room is 6 meters wide you’ve left a total of 1 meter of space for 5 rows of students. Children don’t sit with their legs under the desks at all time’s. They spend a lot of their time facing forward. Children need to be able to get out of the seats easily. Each row of students in this plan has 20cm of space. (If my calculations are correct).
If this classroom is lucky enough to contain a sink, children will need access to it.

byhookorbycrook · 30-07-2020 11:03PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Ok. Thanks for that.

This looks fvcked to me though. Look like a box of matches actually.

How do the children squashed in at the walls move ?

downthemiddle · 30-07-2020 11:05PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

How do the children squashed in at the walls move ?

They do the Covid shuffle!!!

khalessi · 30-07-2020 11:05PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

How do the children squashed in at the walls move ?

That and the kids sitting side to side with 40cm between them when it should be 1 metre. But shure be grand as we know children dont turn in their seats to talk to other kids.

grind gremlin · 30-07-2020 11:07PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

How do the children squashed in at the walls move ?

If that was my class, a whole row of them would have their backs against a radiator.

Beasty · 30-07-2020 11:09PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

How do the children squashed in at the walls move ?

Not just that, but it looks like they are less than a metre apart on a side by side basis. I reckon you could only get 15 into that desk format while retaining social distancing

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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