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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #2312
    Clonmel1000
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The real test will be when the schools and universities open. The obvious plan is to keep the numbers as low as possible but it could easily balloon again once more things open.

    Having a mandatory quarantine for arrivals will be seen as essential soon so I don't know why they're not doing it now? Perhaps trying to get the last few dollars from the Americans during tourist season.

    Is this all arrivals? Even from green list countries?


    It’s worth repeating this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street


  • #2313
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,096 ✭✭✭eigrod


    ICU down to 4 now.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/


  • #2314
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Go on to the Restriction thread and see how this might all end in tears though. They are manic over there!

    Looked at it, its a debate about restrictions which is the whole point of a separate thread for it. The whole point of a forum. Some points I don't agree with some I do but just because you don't agree with the post doesn't mean they're manic, it's an opinion that differs from yours. Get over it, if they want to debate restrictions whats the harm.

    If you don't agree join in the debate


  • #2315
    gipi
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I thought Mondays case were 11?

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1155831/

    The county breakdown is of yesterday's reported figure - which seems to have been revised down from 40


  • #2316
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Kazuma wrote: »
    The problem is that this virus has long term health implications beyond hospitalisation (link).

    Letting it run through the population naturally is going to have serious long term impacts beyond the immediate ones.

    This we don't know because it's only been 6 months since it emerged. If someone has been in hospital/ICU for a month they are fairly unlikely to be 100% in 3-4 months anyway.


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  • #2317
    caveat emptor
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The real test will be when the schools and universities open. The obvious plan is to keep the numbers as low as possible but it could easily balloon again once more things open.

    Having a mandatory quarantine for arrivals will be seen as essential soon so I don't know why they're not doing it now? Perhaps trying to get the last few dollars from the Americans during tourist season.

    Germans doing that now.
    Another case of paddy last.

    https://twitter.com/connollyberlin/status/1287855831376187392?s=20


  • #2318
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    Is this all arrivals? Even from green list countries?


    It’s worth repeating this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street

    I think so yeah, these green list countries have their own rules and they could flair up anytime. We need to reduce the cases to zero, then we can create bubbles with other countries that have similar arrival policies as ireland and that have miniscule numbers of infected. Then we can create no quarantine travel between these bubbles but still have quarantine for non bubble countries.

    Yes if you instant travel to a foreign country then yes it's as safe but that's not the case. You've to go to a check in desk to a worker who has been in contact with 1000s of people, then the airport with people from all around the world, then you are stuck on a plane with people and finally you get a taxi to your hotel and come in contact with many more people. So you can see its not that safe


  • #2319
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Kazuma wrote: »
    The problem is that this virus has long term health implications beyond hospitalisation (link).

    Letting it run through the population naturally is going to have serious long term impacts beyond the immediate ones.

    The link you post to back up your assertion that the virus has long term implications literally states that the cases are recent recoveries and that "These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19." It states " the long-term health effects of these findings cannot yet be determined".


  • #2320
    KrustyUCC
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    gipi wrote: »
    The county breakdown is of yesterday's reported figure - which seems to have been revised down from 40

    Ah OK thanks 😀


  • #2321
    Clonmel1000
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I think so yeah, these green list countries have their own rules and they could flair up anytime. We need to reduce the cases to zero, then we can create bubbles with other countries that have similar arrival policies as ireland and that have miniscule numbers of infected. Then we can create no quarantine travel between these bubbles but still have quarantine for non bubble countries.

    Yes if you instant travel to a foreign country then yes it's as safe but that's not the case. You've to go to a check in desk to a worker who has been in contact with 1000s of people, then the airport with people from all around the world, then you are stuck on a plane with people and finally you get a taxi to your hotel and come in contact with many more people. So you can see its not that safe

    No country is following a policy of zero cases. We are a small open economy dependent on Foreign Dorevt Investment and free movement Of people and goods. We need to learn to live with C19 as we live with many other things. I was in a taxi and a hotel in Dublin last week should I quarantine? It’s a lot more cases than places on the green list.

    It’s worth repeating this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street


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  • #2322
    polesheep
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not a risk any public heath authority would take. It's based on far too many variables.

    I don't really disagree with you, I just don't believe that we required a strict lockdown for the entire population.


  • #2323
    polesheep
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    Kazuma wrote: »
    The problem is that this virus has long term health implications beyond hospitalisation (link).

    Letting it run through the population naturally is going to have serious long term impacts beyond the immediate ones.

    For those hospitalised, perhaps. But now that we have secured those most at risk there are very few requiring hospitalisation.


  • #2324
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Agree, opening of schools after such a long time is a big issue. Over to Norma Foley now to steer it through.

    The US market is gone now, well for this year anyway, and if you think I feel sad for the gouging Jarveys in Killarney, I don't anymore. As if any native Irish person would be caught dead in one of them things. Plenty more lovely places in Ireland for the natives.

    Stay in Ireland, wash your hands, keep your distance and avoid crowded places.

    Or get the virus and pass it on. Over to you.

    I'll be travelling to Italy, as long as it remains on the green list - no matter how many times you order me not to.


  • #2325
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    polesheep wrote: »
    I don't really disagree with you, I just don't believe that we required a strict lockdown for the entire population.
    I think it was the right call the first time out, especially with an unknown pathogen. Hopefully, we'll have learnt from that and will manage future outbreaks in a more flexible controlled way.


  • #2326
    Plumbthedepths
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    polesheep wrote: »
    I'll be travelling to Italy, as long as it remains on the green list - no matter how many times you order me not to.

    What part are you going to?


  • #2327
    Oranage2
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    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    No country is following a policy of zero cases. We are a small open economy dependent on Foreign Dorevt Investment and free movement Of people and goods. We need to learn to live with C19 as we live with many other things. I was in a taxi and a hotel in Dublin last week should I quarantine? It’s a lot more cases than places on the green list.

    It’s worth repeating this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street

    Meant to write as close to zero as possible. And you could follow the advice but there's nothing stopping others from not following the advice and infecting you.

    I live in a country that has had a strict lockdown and strict border controls and their economy is growing and life is back to normal.

    Ireland is an island with a small population and this is dragging on for months now and likely to the end of the year.


  • #2328
    owlbethere
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    Even with mandatory masks some old fcukers are not missing a chance to cough openly about the place. I saw an old one today, taking off her mask to cough.

    I'm slowly coming to the realization that we should have taken Swedens approach - every man for himself.


  • #2329
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What part are you going to?

    Cinque Terre.


  • #2330
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Looked at it, its a debate about restrictions which is the whole point of a separate thread for it. The whole point of a forum. Some points I don't agree with some I do but just because you don't agree with the post doesn't mean they're manic, it's an opinion that differs from yours. Get over it, if they want to debate restrictions whats the harm.

    If you don't agree join in the debate

    Last time I looked at that thread there was no debate or discussion. A lot of 'I'm right and you are wrong' and it doesn't matter what you refute it with, I'm still right. From both sides!


  • #2331
    [Deleted User]
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    polesheep wrote: »
    I'll be travelling to Italy, as long as it remains on the green list - no matter how many times you order me not to.

    Me too. Going to Rome for 3 days to take the opportunity to enjoy it without the tourist hordes. I don’t really care about the bars and cafes being not as normal, and mandatory mask wearing inside, as we’ll just be wondering around outside and picnicking


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  • #2332
    Plumbthedepths
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    polesheep wrote: »
    Cinque Terre.

    Beautiful spot, heading over on Monday . Naples. Enjoy.


  • #2333
    fr336
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    Hope the govt don't do a late night everyone in Italy has to quarantine for 2 weeks when they get back :pac:


  • #2334
    Plumbthedepths
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    fr336 wrote: »
    Hope the govt don't do a late night everyone in Italy has to quarantine for 2 weeks when they get back :pac:

    It's ok we don't have quarantine here only advice to restrict your movements. At least if you are going to sneer base it on fact. ;-)


  • #2335
    fr336
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's ok we don't have quarantine here only advice to restrict your movements. At least if you are going to sneer base it on fact. ;-)

    No sneering here, delighted people can come and go as they please like the skiers in February did despite advice to think whether going to Northern Italy would be a good idea. And I know there isn't quarantines in Ireland. Yet.


  • #2336
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    fr336 wrote: »
    Hope the govt don't do a late night everyone in Italy has to quarantine for 2 weeks when they get back :pac:

    Why would they ? Italy has been extremely steady now for nearly 2 months with absolutely everything open bar large events.

    They've done a fantastic job hence on the green list.


  • #2337
    fr336
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Why would they ? Italy has been extremely steady now for nearly 2 months with absolutely everything open bar large events.

    They've done a fantastic job hence on the green list.

    True, they have had to go through hell to get there. True sacrifices made.


  • #2338
    Plumbthedepths
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    fr336 wrote: »
    No sneering here, delighted people can come and go as they please like the skiers in February did despite advice to think whether going to Northern Italy would be a good idea. And I know there isn't quarantines in Ireland. Yet.

    Certainly sounds like sneering to me. Ireland has a very restricted Green list. Whereas where you reside didn't they put Spain on the restricted list again?
    Italy has a lower IR than Ireland. Plus a mandatory mask wearing policy, subject to a €1000 fine if not compliant. Far safer there than where you are tbh.


  • #2339
    majcos
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    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    The last time I checked the 14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100k on the ECDC's website was 23/07. Ireland was at 5.6 and now we are 5.3 today, so at least it is decreasing. It is currently the 10th lowest in the EU.

    Spain has really jumped out at me. It has gone from 30.9 on 23/07 to 49.2 today. Just nine days ago it was 18.
    I like this as a rolling averaged statistic rather than the daily numbers with reporting glitches.

    It was down to 4.2/4.3 in mid July but holding in the 5s again now.


  • #2340
    stephenjmcd
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    fr336 wrote: »
    True, they have had to go through hell to get there. True sacrifices made.

    Yes they had a strict lockdown.

    You seem to be suggesting people in Ireland didn't make sacrifices??


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  • #2341
    What Username Guidelines
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Why would they ? Italy has been extremely steady now for nearly 2 months with absolutely everything open bar large events.

    They've done a fantastic job hence on the green list.

    Would love to know why Spain is picking up a little and Italy is holding strong. It’s especially impressive given they were caught out by being hit first and the whole of Europe was watching them to see what works and what doesn’t and they didn’t have the advantage of learning from others.


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