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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #2192
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Not a nice virus to get at all

    Fingers amputated, MRSA, blood poisoning, kidney failure, liver failure, pulmonary embolism, and burst lungs

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.insider.com/a-california-man-loses-his-fingers-due-to-coronavirus-complications-2020-7%3famp


  • #2193
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    My three months of living in a bubble of normality end tonight. Bars and all that craic closed in Hanoi and I suppose I won't be going back to work either.

    A 107-day run of no cases broken.

    What happened where you are?


  • #2194
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1288179211996475393


  • #2195
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Very good interview on schools reopening and vaccines. End 2021.
    School reopening doesn't sound very similar to measures taken here.
    We need extremely low level in the community or stricter measures for schools.
    Open travel and community transmission a risk to this.



  • #2196
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    This is basically what we are doing atm. Its the wrong approach to not attempt a Zero Covid policy. Short time pain for long term gain.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1288378487968018433


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  • #2197
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Latest testing referral and contact tracing data out. I think yesterday is the lowest amount of community referrals I have seen on these reports.
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-29-july-2020.pdf


  • #2198
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What happened where you are?

    People have been smuggling Chinese across the border to do seafood trade and some other things. Been a lot of searches and arrests in the last while. It started to spread quietly in Da Nang which is the main holiday destination for local tourism and now it's popping up everywhere. 20,000 people have returned to Hanoi from there so now they all have to be traced and who they've been around traced. 87 are showing symptoms as of this evening.

    The level of information shared with the public is pretty incredible. Full histories for each case. Medical history, everywhere they went and what times. Really full on.


  • #2199
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Latest testing referral and contact tracing data out. I think yesterday is the lowest amount of community referrals I have seen on these reports.
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-29-july-2020.pdf

    Yup right back down again to the levels pre targeted testing.

    If im not mistaken the initial 4 week targeted testing of nursing home staff might have finished last week.


  • #2200
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    First round report Mumbai Slums - half the people have antibodies & IFR between 0.05% and 0.1%

    Unable to verify the source but appeared on the 'Tagesschau' which is Germany's equivalent of the 6'o clock news. I take it its not fake news.

    https://twitter.com/mybmc/status/1288156896029896704


  • #2201
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The level of information shared with the public is pretty incredible. Full histories for each case. Medical history, everywhere they went and what times. Really full on.

    Sounds like Malta, papers shared everything bar the peoples names :pac:


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  • #2202
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Not a nice virus to get at all

    Fingers amputated, MRSA, blood poisoning, kidney failure, liver failure, pulmonary embolism, and burst lungs

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.insider.com/a-california-man-loses-his-fingers-due-to-coronavirus-complications-2020-7%3famp

    I certainly don't want to downplay this virus but, honestly, linking to one bad outcome is just looking for the extremes. Many have made full recoveries, including very elderly patients. Let's suppress this virus but let's also be reasonable and use some perspective. It is, undoubtedly, an abominable disease and we need to all work to minimise it's impact but constantly referring to the more extreme outcomes only weakens your argument as it puts it in the sphere of scaremongering and people just switch off.


  • #2203
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    First round report Mumbai Slums - half the people have antibodies & IFR between 0.05% and 0.1%

    Unable to verify the source but appeared on the 'Tagesschau' which is Germany's equivalent of the 6'o clock news. I take it its not fake news.

    https://twitter.com/mybmc/status/1288156896029896704
    I'd believe it. Delhi had something like 40%.


  • #2204
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I certainly don't want to downplay this virus but, honestly, linking to one bad outcome is just looking for the extremes. Many have made full recoveries, including very elderly patients. Let's suppress this virus but let's also be reasonable and use some perspective. It is, undoubtedly, an abominable disease and we need to all work to minimise it's impact but constantly referring to the more extreme outcomes only weaken your argument as it puts it in the sphere of scaremongering and people just switch off.

    Whenever anyone links to particularly worrying outliers, I always flick to check the username. Never surprised, always the same few.


  • #2205
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    D.Q wrote: »
    Whenever anyone links to particularly worrying outliers, I always flick to check the username. Never surprised, always the same few.

    Whenever someone comments on a poster rather than a post, I tend to flick to the username. Always the same few.


  • #2206
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Sounds like Malta, papers shared everything bar the peoples names :pac:

    It's mental. This is all for one guy.

    The 23-year-old young man traveled in Da Nang, Hoi An and then went back to Hanoi to work at a pizza shop for nearly 10 days before finding out.

    Patient 447 was the first community infection in Hanoi after 107 days without a case. He is a cook at a pizza restaurant at 106 Tran Thai Tong Street, Cau Giay.

    From 12 to 15/7, he and his family and relatives of about 29 tourists in Da Nang city, stayed at Huynh Gia Hung hotel, 169 Nguyen Van Thoai, Son Tra district.

    During 4 days of traveling, young men and their family visit Ba Na Hill, buy things at Han market (Tran Phu street, Hai Chau district). Then compete in Hoi An, Quang Nam.

    On July 15, he and his family returned to Hanoi on a flight to land in Noi Bai at 2:30 am and then traveled on two pre-booked cars to Me Tri and Nam Tu Liem. In the afternoon of the same day, he came to your room at 1/59/68 Me Tri Ha, more than 1km away from home.

    From July 16 to 24/7, the patient worked at a pizza shop, 106 Tran Thai Tong, Dich Vong Hau, Cau Giay. Every day he contacts 14 employees at the store, not wearing a mask.

    On July 23, he had fever, cough, and tiredness but still went to work until July 25, he was isolated at home for 4 days.

    On July 28, the patient took his brother's taxi to visit Thai Ha Clinic, 178 Thai Ha, Dong Da, wearing a mask. X-ray results were diagnosed with blurred nodules in the lungs and transferred by the consultant to the National Hospital of Tropical Diseases, establishment 2 at 13:30.

    About 13h30 on 28/7, patients were examined at the Central Tropical Diseases Hospital in 2 Kim Chung commune, Dong Anh district and assigned to be hospitalized for isolation.


  • #2207
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Feel so weird saying this, but bring back Varadkar and Harris plz.

    On this point I'd be inclined to agree.

    Unfortunately there is a massive contrast between the FG and the FF/FG approach to handling it.

    How is it with FG still in power albeit as a partner the thing looks like a farce.

    There is some serious politicking going on.

    Won't be voting for either of them any time soon.

    Had FG stayed on in interest of the country could have lived with it and potentially voted for them in the future.

    They are constantly undermining and confusing each other. MM comes off far worse as a result.


  • #2208
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'd believe it. Delhi had something like 40%.

    They observed a case fatality rate around 5-6% and an infection fatality rate between 0.05% and 0.1%. Finding the vast vast majority must be asymptomatic. They suggest that differences in prevalence between non-slum and slum areas (16% vs 57%) is due to higher hygiene and lower density and conclude that distancing is an effective measure to slow the spread and must continue.

    I would have thought at an IFR of 0.05% to 0.1% the conclusion would be to just return to normal? Maybe too early in the study to suggest that just yet. In any case it seems IFR are not necessarily those nightmare numbers that are being bandied about.


  • #2209
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Whenever someone comments on a poster rather than a post, I tend to flick to the username. Always the same few.

    Whenever someone posts a fake tweet..,etc etc etc


  • #2210
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, that is irrelevant. The worst display of public behaviour globally was the BLM protests and it is the obvious thing to link to. Some obscure protest with a few hundred people is just a bizarre thing to link to.

    The point as I understand it is that there are people in Texas so upset with basic measures to prevent Covid spreading they went on a march. In that environment of disobedience to Covid reduction measures it is not surprising that there was more cases.

    I made zero comment on BLM by the way.


  • #2211
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I certainly don't want to downplay this virus but, honestly, linking to one bad outcome is just looking for the extremes. Many have made full recoveries, including very elderly patients. Let's suppress this virus but let's also be reasonable and use some perspective. It is, undoubtedly, an abominable disease and we need to all work to minimise it's impact but constantly referring to the more extreme outcomes only weakens your argument as it puts it in the sphere of scaremongering and people just switch off.

    You really think people made full recoveries? You believe anything. My friend is considered recovered because they aren't infectious but they are far from recovered. The Irish isn't immune to this virus either.


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  • #2212
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    You really think people made full recoveries? You believe anything. My friend is considered recovered because they aren't infectious but they are far from recovered. The Irish isn't immune to this virus either.

    The three people I know who had it are all 100% recovered.... two in their late 60s and one in his 40s..


  • #2213
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I would have thought at an IFR of 0.05% to 0.1% the conclusion would be to just return to normal? Maybe too early in the study to suggest that just yet. In any case it seems IFR are not necessarily those nightmare numbers that are being bandied about.
    IFRs in those ranges could only be found in areas with very young populations - a slum would strike me as that. We'd need to know also if they are recording deaths correctly. We're seeing IFRs in European studies around the 0.65-0.8% range, with Italian areas slightly higher (probably due to an older population).

    We'll wait and see anyway what this and other studies say.


  • #2214
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    You really think people made full recoveries? You believe anything. My friend is considered recovered because they aren't infectious but they are far from recovered. The Irish isn't immune to this virus either.

    No idea what you mean by the Irish not being immune - bizzare comment.

    Of course people have made full recoveries - many of them. I know two. It took a while but, thankfully, both are now fine.

    You're missing the point. Stop espousing the ultra extreme outcomes of a few. It's counter productive.

    I'm on the side of extreme caution but that message is being hidden behind the extreme scaremongering of these exceptional cases.


  • #2215
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    hmmm wrote: »
    IFRs in those ranges could only be found in areas with very young populations - a slum would strike me as that. We'd need to know also if they are recording deaths correctly. We're seeing IFRs in European studies around the 0.65-0.8% range, with Italian areas slightly higher (probably due to an older population).

    We'll wait and see anyway what this and other studies say.

    I agree. Age structure in a Mumbai slum is most likely not going to be comparable to Ireland. Thats why I didn't say cancel the whole thing and go to the pub.

    However it strongly suggests that asymptomatic share of the infection is likely much higher than previously estimated and therefore IFR is most likely much lower than previously estimated.

    We need testing of representative population groups. 0.1% is like the flu or less. I'm not making a claim that it is but we need to know. We're 5 months down the road and we still know sfa about the numbers that really matter.


  • #2216
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Is it only a matter of time before Trump gets infected?


  • #2217
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Is it only a matter of time before Trump gets infected?

    He's got the vaccine for sure


  • #2218
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Is it only a matter of time before Trump gets infected?

    Pity he wouldn't get it.


  • #2219
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    Anyone want to guess the daily number of cases today? Hopefully another day without any deaths.


  • #2220
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,846 ✭✭✭Nermal


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I would have thought at an IFR of 0.05% to 0.1% the conclusion would be to just return to normal? Maybe too early in the study to suggest that just yet. In any case it seems IFR are not necessarily those nightmare numbers that are being bandied about.

    Four months to the day since I posted that we will look back on this as a death of Diana-style mass delusion.


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  • #2221
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    If there was a high percentage of people suffering long lasting effects the whole world would be in total meltdown, far worse than what it is ready.

    The fact is the vast majority of people recover just fine. Maybe 99%? Maybe more? There are always outliers with diseases. I’d have to do some googling but I’m sure there are many severe complications brought about by more common viruses.

    People will focus on the sensational, they love it. It’s a natural inclination. But if RTE were heavily reporting the total amount of people who have recovered grand and their ages etc then that would lead to people going about life as normal and our hospitals being overloaded. We need to be cautious but ffs, lets be real here.


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