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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #2102
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    1/3 of Non hospitalized Covid cases are experiencing long term illness following the virus. Their could be cases of people who struggle with the virus for the rest of their lives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fSz3y022o

    YouTube really?
    Any peer reviewed studies? Although since the virus is only with us since February/March how can anyone say what the 'permanent' affects are.


  • #2103
    [Deleted User]
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    kg703 wrote: »
    Just on the antibody testing, I would't be so sure its accurate anyway..... My sister in law was a confirmed case back in ... March I think. She paid privately for the antibody test there last month - doesnt have the antibodies apparently. So either:

    Her C19 test was not accurate (she had and still has lingering symptoms)
    Her antibody test is not accurate
    You can catch the virus again - within 3-4 months

    Our bodies produce antibodies when needed. The amount of scaremongering about reinfection is absurd.


  • #2104
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    1/3 of Non hospitalized Covid cases are experiencing long term illness following the virus. Their could be cases of people who struggle with the virus for the rest of their lives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fSz3y022o
    This is guesswork. Long term is measured in decades, not in months.


  • #2105
    [Deleted User]
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    Just read a horrifying statistic.. In Texas, someone dies from Covid every six minutes and sixteen seconds.


  • #2106
    kg703
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭kg703


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Our bodies produce antibodies when needed. The amount of scaremongering about reinfection is absurd.

    I'm not trying to scaremonger at all - just there was a lot of people talking about antibody tests, I'm saying they may not be accurate.


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  • #2107
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just read a horrifying statistic.. In Texas, someone dies from Covid every six minutes and sixteen seconds.

    Not surprising though, sadly.

    This happened July 4th.

    Protesters gather at Texas Capitol for "Shed the Mask" rally


  • #2108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kg703 wrote: »
    I'm not trying to scaremonger at all - just there was a lot of people talking about antibody tests, I'm saying they may not be accurate.

    You're right in that the tests are known to be inaccurate but you're wrong in stating you can reinfected if you don't have antibodies.

    And it isn't February anymore. It's the end of July. If reinfection was a major issue, we'd definitely know about it half a year and millions of cases later.

    There is nothing particularly exceptional or unique about Covid-19.


  • #2109
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This is guesswork. Long term is measured in decades, not in months.

    I said could. Its a fair assumption based on what we are seeing. Their is credible sources on youtube btw. Chris Masterson has been a very credible source on this. Predicted it back in January and and largely been very accurate on his reporting of what has been happening.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monumental-acknowledgment-cdc-reports-long-term-covid-19-patients-n1234814

    It was reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It may not be what many want to hear but it seems the reality of this virus.


  • #2110
    [Deleted User]
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Not surprising though, sadly.

    This happened July 4th.

    Protesters gather at Texas Capitol for "Shed the Mask" rally

    You could have linked to the ten plus days of BLM protests in Austin attended by thousands rather than one protest attended by hundreds.


  • #2111
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Our bodies produce antibodies when needed. The amount of scaremongering about reinfection is absurd.
    Indeed. We have nearly 17 million infections globally, and sporadic (at best) reports of reinfection.

    There is nothing to indicate that immunity is not possible or that it's short-lived.


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  • #2112
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    kg703 wrote: »
    I'm not trying to scaremonger at all - just there was a lot of people talking about antibody tests, I'm saying they may not be accurate.

    I know a couple of people in the UK who were confirmed cases in March and tested negative on antibody lab tests. Lots of people online say similar. There was also the very tiny study that showed a number of people with negative antibody tests having T-Cell changes that indicated they'd recovered from infection. The antibody tests really do seem to be missing positive cases.


  • #2113
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Yes. Yes they do.

    There was a poster here on boards.ie not so long ago. He was a doctor or a professor. He did the questions and answers thing on boards. In the early days of this pandemic, way back in February, he wrote a post with some general guidelines. I don't know if he was recommending posters to follow it if he was writing to tell the reader what he does to minimise picking up the virus.

    It was a list like
    Avoid public transport
    Avoid crowds
    Don't be around sick people, if you're out and see someone coughing, avoid,

    I started following his guidelines. It was well before our own hse and government implemented guidelines. We had some guidelines of washing hands and covering coughs but it was limited guidelines.

    That post from that boards user stood to me. I avoided crowds and public transport and kept away from sick people.

    If you need a doctor to tell you to stay away from sick people in a pandemic then i think we are all truly ****ed.


  • #2114
    Dante7
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    kg703 wrote: »
    Just on the antibody testing, I would't be so sure its accurate anyway..... My sister in law was a confirmed case back in ... March I think. She paid privately for the antibody test there last month - doesnt have the antibodies apparently. So either:

    Her C19 test was not accurate (she had and still has lingering symptoms)
    Her antibody test is not accurate
    You can catch the virus again - within 3-4 months

    Or, what scientists say most likely happens, and antibodies subside to zero or non-detectable levels and immunity is provided by t-cell response.


  • #2115
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Yale professor Harvey Risch is arguing that hydroxychloroquine with zinc should be used in the early diagnostic stage of Covid19 detection. Saying that since the virus is active that the long term double blind trials should be side stepped.


  • #2116
    [Deleted User]
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Yale professor Harvey Risch is arguing that hydroxychloroquine with zinc should be used in the early diagnostic stage of Covid19 detection. Saying that since the virus is active that the long term double blind trials should be side stepped.

    It could cure cancer and stop male pattern baldness as well but it won't be used. It is entirely unacceptable politically and socially.


  • #2117
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Having covid a second time seems at the moment to be very very small considering the number of cases but the place to look to for any emerging evidence will possibly be Iran followef by italy. However, as Iran do not seem to have enough pcr and antibody tests to go round I would be careful to look very closely into the details of any suggested cases.
    Concur with some of the posters above antibodies last for a couple of months then dissapear and you would have to test T cell response think its CD4 and 8 as they then hold the memory for your body if a virus trys to infect you again to make more antibodys.
    Posted somewhere here maybe 2 months ago a primer on the immune system 101 if anybody wants to search for it.( on my way outdoors)


  • #2118
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Yale professor Harvey Risch is arguing that hydroxychloroquine with zinc should be used in the early diagnostic stage of Covid19 detection. Saying that since the virus is active that the long term double blind trials should be side stepped.
    Conflicts of Interest: Dr. Risch acknowledges past advisory consulting work with two of the more than 50 manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and doxycycline. This past work was not related to any of these three medications and was completed more than two years ago. He has no ongoing, planned or projected relationships with any of these companies, nor any
    other potential conflicts-of-interest to disclose
    Hmmm.

    He seems to be one dissenting voice against a much larger community.

    His argument is made in response to a paper as opposed to being a paper in itself proving the effectiveness of HCQ.

    If you read the actual response, it sounds more like academic willy-waving than anything else. Dr. Risch is irritated that his research papers were being crapped on and wanted to respond in kind. Professors are not beyond petty egocentrism and bun fights through the medium of research papers.


  • #2119
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,193 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    speckle wrote: »
    Having covid a second time seems at the moment to be very very small considering the number of cases but the place to look to for any emerging evidence will possibly be Iran followef by italy. However, as Iran do not seem to have enough pcr and antibody tests to go round I would be careful to look very closely into the details of any suggested cases.
    Concur with some of the posters above antibodies last for a couple of months then dissapear and you would have to test T cell response think its CD4 and 8 as they then hold the memory for your body if a virus trys to infect you again to make more antibodys.
    Posted somewhere here maybe 2 months ago a primer on the immune system 101 if anybody wants to search for it.( on my way outdoors)

    A Dr in the US just got it twice. She had it, recovered, was twice tested over a two month period and was negative then she got it again. It's probably a rare occurrence, but ...


  • #2120
    CalamariFritti
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    It’s not really a 0.3% positivity rate is it though? 30k plus tests a week are scheduled tests of care home staff or those booked for medical tests / procedures. Only a subset of the 45k tests we’re carrying out each week are actually in play: i.e. referrals due to symptoms in the community or close contacts of confirmed cases.

    The “0.3% positivity rate” nonsense needs to stop.

    Thats quite a selective way of looking at it.

    In your later post you claim that close contacts are the only ones in play. I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Why would a close contact be a more likely 'hit' as opposed to someone who already has presented themselves with symptoms to a GP? Or someone in a health care setting where we reportedly have the highest reported numbers throughout.

    I understand the way you're thinking but I think your conclusion is a bit hasty and really has very little basis other than your own point of view.

    The numbers are what the numbers are. Its always been like that. Reported case numbers have very little bearing on what actually happened in the last 24 hours and only give an idea as to the real spread in the population. Death numbers are even worse as we know they are embellished to begin with. R is a statistical model that goes very flaky as the numbers go low.

    You test n people and you have x hits. It is what it is.

    Why do you have a problem with 0.3% positivity rate? Is it not scary enough?

    Me personally I would even go as far and say who gives a damn what the daily (or other) infection numbers are? The only number that matters is how many 'go bad' from it - hospital and ICU. If we continued to have 10 people in hospital for the whole country I don't care if we all got it.


  • #2121
    owlbethere
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    If you need a doctor to tell you to stay away from sick people in a pandemic then i think we are all truly ****ed.

    I have control over that within my own family unit but out in public not so much. Something I do now which I never did before - I scan a supermarket aisle before I go down and if I see anyone coughing I avoid the aisle. Scanning a place to see if there's anyone coughing was something I never did before but I do it now.

    I ate out twice since the restrictions were lifted. I was the same in both establishments. Looking around and scanning the place regularly. If I saw anyone sick, I was going to get up and leave.


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  • #2122
    ChelseaRentBoy
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Not surprising though, sadly.

    This happened July 4th.

    Protesters gather at Texas Capitol for "Shed the Mask" rally

    Or all the BLM idiots.


  • #2123
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Or all the BLM idiots.

    Yeah that resulted in massive spikes here too


  • #2124
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You could have linked to the ten plus days of BLM protests in Austin attended by thousands rather than one protest attended by hundreds.

    I assume the point is that the rally was to do with Covid and the rejection of science and good practice in a pandemic. The other one was unrelated to Covid.


  • #2125
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Yeah that resulted in massive spikes here too

    One day of protests mean an infected person might give it to say five people. Weeks of protests means those five people give it to five people who give it to five people.
    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    I assume the point is that the rally was to do with Covid and the rejection of science and good practice in a pandemic. The other one was unrelated to Covid.

    No, that is irrelevant. The worst display of public behaviour globally was the BLM protests and it is the obvious thing to link to. Some obscure protest with a few hundred people is just a bizarre thing to link to.


  • #2126
    D.Q
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Or all the BLM idiots.

    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.


  • #2127
    ChelseaRentBoy
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Yeah that resulted in massive spikes here too

    You do realise Texas is in the US right?


  • #2128
    seamus
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    You do realise Texas is in the US right?
    I think you missed the sarcasm.


  • #2129
    YFlyer
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    seamus wrote: »
    Hmmm.

    He seems to be one dissenting voice against a much larger community.

    His argument is made in response to a paper as opposed to being a paper in itself proving the effectiveness of HCQ.

    If you read the actual response, it sounds more like academic willy-waving than anything else. Dr. Risch is irritated that his research papers were being crapped on and wanted to respond in kind. Professors are not beyond petty egocentrism and bun fights through the medium of research papers.

    I haven't read anything about himself yet. Skimmed through his review paper in regard to Covid19 and hydroxychloroquine to see where he is coming from.


  • #2130
    ACitizenErased
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    You do realise Texas is in the US right?

    Yeah its called sarcasm


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  • #2131
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1288420208324096000?s=21


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