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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #1982
    Away With The Fairies
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If one person met 15 and each of them met 15 its not that crazy.

    It is crazy considering that it came from one infected person.

    2 infected people can be 10,000 new infections.


  • #1983
    CalamariFritti
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    Its just how this works.


  • #1984
    jimmycrackcorm
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Anyone see this in the independant?

    The Nphet meeting was also told the study of people in Dublin and Sligo chosen to test for antibodies – showing they had the virus previously – showed almost all had the antibodies 94 days post –infection.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/major-coronavirus-outbreaks-could-lead-to-regional-or-local-restrictions-nphet-warns-as-40-new-cases-confirmed-39405026.html

    What does that mean? Did they only test people with a previous positive test?

    This must be the SCOPI project. That has to refer to those who declared that they had been diagnosed previously with covid.

    I was one of the participants and still to find out my results but I hadn't been previously diagnosed.

    I expect, like other countries, it will only show up a tiny percentage of the overall numbers as having antibodies.


  • #1985
    froog
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    How would those graphs look by removing 5 countries?

    you can remove whatever countries you want to make yourself feel better. the entire world is connected. and the virus is accelerating in the planet as a whole.


  • #1986
    [Deleted User]
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    froog wrote: »
    again if people read the news outside ireland, second waves have been occuring around the world after relaxing restrictions:

    various states in the US, iran, spain, france, germany, belgium, south korea, japan.

    why do people think ireland is a special case? i'm not trying to be alarmist, but people need to prepare for the winter and the behaviours and attitude i'm seeing around the country do not bode well at all.

    Korea? Germany? France? Japan, who never had a first wave. US - see any second wave in New York? Or was it only the places that did not suppress in the first place? Plus you don’t seem to understand how this spreads. Even a 50% reduction in the opportunities for infection will prevent the type Exponential spread seen in March


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  • #1987
    froog
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Korea? Germany? France? Japan, who never had a first wave. US - see any second wave in New York? Or was it only the places that did not suppress in the first place? Plus you don’t seem to understand how this spreads. Even a 50% reduction in the opportunities for infection will prevent the type Exponential spread seen in March

    you have no idea what you're talking about do you?


  • #1988
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Reports people having to isolate after someone attended kids birthday party and tested positive.

    What's going to happen in September when everybody's kids attend "birthday parties" 5 days a week?

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

    https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/1288190613670764545?s=20

    Did you read the report? Kids were having to isolate after the parent of a child who attended tested positive. The parent was the source not the children and no suggestion any child who attended took the virus elsewhere

    And any charts from Denmark? Or anywhere else that didn’t experience a surge after opening schools?


  • #1989
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    froog wrote: »
    you have no idea what you're talking about do you?

    It’s patently clear one of us doesn’t


  • #1990
    caveat emptor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you read the report? Kids were having to isolate after the parent of a child who attended tested positive. The parent was the source not the children and no suggestion any child who attended took the virus elsewhere

    And any charts from Denmark? Or anywhere else that didn’t experience a surge after opening schools?

    Oh you are right there is no incubation period or asymptomatic spread. How silly of me.


  • #1991
    caveat emptor
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    Just to cap off a great day in terms of good news.

    Iran who is in wave 2 has confirmed reinfection in health care workers.

    Terrible if it is confirmed.

    https://twitter.com/GregNN/status/1288201648846692352?s=20


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  • #1992
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Oh you are right there is no incubation period or asymptomatic spread. How silly of me.

    There is no evidence anyone who attended that party caught or spread the virus. Yet you are using it to spread fear about opening schools. In contact tracing there are primary and secondary contacts. In this case all the kids apart from the child of the parent with the virus are secondary contacts and under contact tracing rules are not required to isolate.


  • #1993
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Just to cap off a great day in terms of good news.

    Iran who is in wave 2 has confirmed reinfection in health care workers.

    Terrible if it is confirmed.

    https://twitter.com/GregNN/status/1288201648846692352?s=20

    Iran never left wave 1. And with any virus reinfection is always possible, and there will be a small percentage who get reinfected. It does not mean everyone can. Doesn’t mean they can’t either. Where someone does get reinfected they are likely to be somewhat resistant to serious infection however.


  • #1994
    caveat emptor
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    I'm not spreading fear. I'm asking what will happen? Are we just supposed to take a punt with your 6 year old? Hope they are not a statistic.

    Birthday party occurs.
    Parent tests positive.
    Everyone at the Birthday party in 2 week isolation.

    My point is. What happens when our kids go back to school?
    Does the whole class / pod and parents / family have to self isolate?

    Public Health advice would say yes.

    I'm so so so interested what random person on the internet thinks? I'm not.


  • #1995
    caveat emptor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Iran never left wave 1. And with any virus reinfection is always possible, and there will be a small percentage who get reinfected. It does not mean everyone can. Doesn’t mean they can’t either. Where someone does get reinfected they are likely to be somewhat resistant to serious infection however.

    Yeah seem to be very sure of this novel coronavirus. Cheers for that. In the mean time I'm ignoring you now. I find people who are very confident of new information during an uncertain time to be less than helpful.

    Check out the thread in that post. It's full of reports of reinfections in healthcare workers.

    https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1287659186554314753?s=20

    https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1287837025241112580?s=20


  • #1996
    owlbethere
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    The toaiseach is due to pass legislation tonight for anyone receiving the PUP must be genuinely seeking work.

    I can't believe this. Its a complete pack of balls. People receiving the pup were sent out of work by the government to reduce the spread of the virus. Many are still jot back to work like pubs and concerts and musicians. How are they supposed to be seeking work?

    It's legislation just to give some people the high horse to look down on people being unemployed during this pandemic. That's all it.


  • #1997
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah seem to be very sure of this novel coronavirus. Cheers for that. In the mean time I'm ignoring you now. I find people who are very confident of new information during an uncertain time to be less than helpful.

    Check out the thread in that post. It's full of reports of reinfections in healthcare workers.

    https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1287659186554314753?s=20

    https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1287837025241112580?s=20

    Did you read a word I wrote? Certainty was not mentioned at all. There will be reports of reinfection. It is a certainty. But have we seen any reports of widespread reinfection? Any reports of someone seriously ill or dying following reinfection? No. Inline with what we expect from other viruses. Yet you spread the view that this is evidence of a sort of armegeddon scenario. And when challenged ignore any views based on a rational approach


  • #1998
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    The toaiseach is due to pass legislation tonight for anyone receiving the PUP must be genuinely seeking work.

    I can't believe this. Its a complete pack of balls. People receiving the pup were sent out of work by the government to reduce the spread of the virus. Many are still jot back to work like pubs and concerts and musicians. How are they supposed to be seeking work?

    It's legislation just to give some people the high horse to look down on people being unemployed during this pandemic. That's all it.

    There are jobs out there. Maybe not a huge amount, but some sectors are struggling to fill positions. Of course people should be encouraged to look for other opportunities in the interim until their own sector returns to normal.


  • #1999
    owlbethere
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    Has there been any studies made to see if smoke/vape can carry the virus from smokers/vapers?

    I was walking into the local shop and there was a lad standing outside finishing his cigarette. I was forced into walking into his cloud of smoke praying very hard that he doesn't have any virus in him and praying smoke doesn't carry it.

    It might be a good time to copy Australia and ban smoking and vaping near doorways and have designated smoking areas around cities and towns and villages. It would be sad to see the end of smoking yards but it would be nice to see smoking banned near doorways.


  • #2000
    ACitizenErased
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    Take out the top 5 countries who are having a ****show and we’d have half the cases that currently exist worldwide. Not sure why some people still claim the world is ****ed when this fact exists.


  • #2001
    owlbethere
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    Just catching up with todays news. 40 new cases. The cases are climbing and 40 is a lot.


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  • #2002
    Plumbthedepths
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    Just catching up with todays news. 40 new cases. The cases are climbing and 40 is a lot.

    Maybe you should read when the forty relate to. I believe RTE has an explanation on its site.


  • #2003
    JP Liz V1
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    pawdee wrote: »
    A pub that serves live Pangolin as well as Bacon Fries.

    No Bats?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2004
    Conall Cernach
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    There are jobs out there. Maybe not a huge amount, but some sectors are struggling to fill positions. Of course people should be encouraged to look for other opportunities in the interim until their own sector returns to normal.
    Who would hire someone knowing that they'd be off to their old job as soon as it reopens?


  • #2005
    ACitizenErased
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    Interesting point from Dr. Glynn in the press release that well over half of the cases today were confirmed close contacts. It seems we are picking up most if not all of close contacts based on that percentage. Really good.

    It also makes the number not as bad, its not as if they’re all untrackable cases


  • #2006
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    Has there been any studies made to see if smoke/vape can carry the virus from smokers/vapers?

    I was walking into the local shop and there was a lad standing outside finishing his cigarette. I was forced into walking into his cloud of smoke praying very hard that he doesn't have any virus in him and praying smoke doesn't carry it.

    It might be a good time to copy Australia and ban smoking and vaping near doorways and have designated smoking areas around cities and towns and villages. It would be sad to see the end of smoking yards but it would be nice to see smoking banned near doorways.

    It all depends on if the vapours are large enough to carry virus particles. There seems to be mixed views based on a quick google. I do think you would be within your right to expect someone smoking / vaping in public to move someplace less obtrusive


  • #2007
    caveat emptor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you read a word I wrote? Certainty was not mentioned at all. There will be reports of reinfection. It is a certainty. But have we seen any reports of widespread reinfection? Any reports of someone seriously ill or dying following reinfection? No. Inline with what we expect from other viruses. Yet you spread the view that this is evidence of a sort of armegeddon scenario. And when challenged ignore any views based on a rational approach

    Yeah I did. Did you read what I "shared".
    i.e I'm sharing information as and when it becomes available.
    I'm trying to share credible information that may be coming down the line.
    What I'm not doing is saying it'll be grand.
    Or asking and answering a question.
    Any reports of someone seriously ill or dying following reinfection? No.

    More severe infection doesn't sound great. You know people have to get sick before they die? It can take some time.


    https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1283840062002692097?s=20


  • #2008
    weldoninhio
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It is crazy considering that it came from one infected person.

    2 infected people can be 10,000 new infections.

    It’s how all infections work. How do you think flu gets around??


  • #2009
    Away With The Fairies
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    pawdee wrote: »
    A pub that serves live Pangolin as well as Bacon Fries.

    I first read your post as a pub that serves live pangolin as well as bichon frise.

    With this virus, why not?


  • #2010
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    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    Who would hire someone knowing that they'd be off to their old job as soon as it reopens?

    There are temporary positions, and a perspective employer may view someone from stable employment prior to Covid better than someone who went from job to job. Also, for those in less well paid work, a move to a industry less impacted by Covid may be attractive in uncertain times


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  • #2011
    John O.Groats
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Take out the top 5 countries who are having a ****show and we’d have half the cases that currently exist worldwide. Not sure why some people still claim the world is ****ed when this fact exists.

    When one of the countries that is having a ****show is the USA and with flights to and from there still being allowed by many countries including Ireland then yeah I would suggest that the world does have a problem.


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