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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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  • #9002
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    You're trying very hard to revision what you already said:





    You repeatedly laid a partial blame on this woman for the audacity of being present at a protest. It's victim blaming, I don't know how else to get you to understand that.

    I never used the word audacity, nor did I blame her for her injuries.

    It is a statement of fact that those protests carry the potential to be dangerous and as such are best avoided. If I had stated that she got what she deserved for being there then you could rightly say I'm engaged in victim blaming, I never made a statement of that type however.

    You are stretching the definition of victim blaming to suit your stance.


  • #9003
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    I never used the word audacity, nor did I blame her for her injuries.
    No ****, I used the word audacity to make light of your victim blaming position.

    You HAVE blamed her for her injuries! Because she was there! How do you still not see this?!
    It is a statement of fact that those protests carry the potential to be dangerous and as such are best avoided. If I had stated that she got what she deserved for being there then you could rightly say I'm engaged in victim blaming, I never made a statement of that type however.

    You are stretching the definition of victim blaming to suit your stance.

    You're STILL doing it!


  • #9004
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    No ****, I used the word audacity to make light of your victim blaming position.

    You HAVE blamed her for her injuries! Because she was there! How do you still not see this?!



    You're STILL doing it!

    Saying a dangerous situation is best avoided is not victim blaming.

    I have repeatedly stated that she is not to blame for her injuries. These things are not the same.

    We clearly won't agree on this, if you want to keep this going it's up to you, but I won't allow a cheap low blow by you to be the last word in this, I've soaked up enough of those from you already.


  • #9005
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    Saying a dangerous situation is best avoided is not victim blaming.

    I have repeatedly stated that she is not to blame for her injuries. These things are not the same.

    Yes it is! You've stated she is to blame for being there in as much prose. It is no better than saying a rape victim isn't to blame but 'jogging at night is best avoided.'


  • #9006
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes it is! You've stated she is to blame for being there in as much prose. It is no better than saying a rape victim isn't to blame but 'jogging at night is best avoided.'

    Those things aren't remotely similar.

    Rape and being shot by a rubber bullet for being involved in a protest that people have been warned to stay away from are not the same thing.
    Again, more cheap shots.


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  • #9007
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    Those things aren't remotely similar.

    Rape and being shot by a rubber bullet for being involved in a protest that people have been warned to stay away from are not the same thing
    Again, more cheap shots.

    They're both victim blaming. It's really that simple.

    Why don't you drop this ridiculous argument that people shouldn't protest their government. Just simply say you're horrified at what happened to her and move on. No, you feel the inherent need to inject that she didn't belong there. Victim blaming.


  • #9008
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    They're both victim blaming. It's really that simple.

    They're not remotely similar.

    A rape victim is a victim of a horrific crime.
    Somebody being shot by authorities at a protest that people have been encouraged to stay away from isn't anything like rape. It's a false equivalence.

    I never said that people shouldn't protest their government. Show me where I once said that please.


  • #9009
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    They're not remotely similar.

    A rape victim is a victim of a horrific crime.
    Somebody being shot by authorities at a protest that people have been encouraged to stay away from isn't anything like rape. It's a false equivalence.

    They're both victim blaming and I'm baffled how you still fail to recognize this.


  • #9010
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    nullzero wrote: »
    They're not remotely similar.

    A rape victim is a victim of a horrific crime.
    Somebody being shot by authorities at a protest that people have been encouraged to stay away from isn't anything like rape. It's a false equivalence.

    I never said that people shouldn't protest their government. Show me where I once said that please.

    If somebody is told to stay away from a dangerous part of town (through a tv ad campaign) as it is a known hotspot from crime, and a person ignored that and was assaulted by a criminal. What percentage is the person at fault for their injuries?


  • #9011
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    They're both victim blaming and I'm baffled how you still fail to recognize this.

    Nonsense.

    You use rape as a means of engendering the maximum emotional response possible.

    Rape is abhorrent, being shot by a rubber bullet for being somewhere people were warned to stay away from isn't the same thing.


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  • #9012
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    nullzero wrote: »
    The Patriot Act probably has a special loophole just for this purpose. It's no coincidence that Antifa were declared a terrorist organisation recently.

    Apart from a tweet what actually happened with this “declaration “?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9013
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Apart from a tweet what actually happened with this “declaration “?

    Very good question.


  • #9014
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    Nonsense.

    You use rape as a means of engendering the maximum emotional response possible.

    Rape is abhorrent, being shot by a rubber bullet for being somewhere people were warned to stay away from isn't the same thing.

    So you're attacking my analogy but not actually refuting that what you're engaged in is victim blaming.


  • #9015
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    If somebody is told to stay away from a dangerous part of town (through a tv ad campaign) as it is a known hotspot from crime, and a person ignored that and was assaulted by a criminal. What percentage is the person at fault for their injuries?

    In a perfect world the money spent on an ad campaign that stigmatizes people in that ara would instead be spent on policing which would hopefully stop that crime from happening.


  • #9016
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    In a perfect world the money spent on an ad campaign that stigmatizes people in that ara would instead be spent on policing which would hopefully stop that crime from happening.

    You didn't answer his question.


  • #9017
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So you're attacking my analogy but not actually refuting that what you're engaged in is victim blaming.

    I'm refuting all of what you're saying.

    Incidentally, did you find where I said that people shouldn't be allowed to protest against their government?


  • #9018
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    You didn't answer his question.

    I didn't answer the question in a manner that suits you.


  • #9019
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    I'm refuting all of what you're saying.

    Not successfully. You've blamed the victim for being at the protest.


  • #9020
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    I didn't answer the question in a manner that suits you.

    Or suited to the question:

    What percentage is the person at fault for their injuries?


  • #9021
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Or suited to the question:

    What percentage is the person at fault for their injuries?

    I identified that the question and the parameters that it was set within are inherently amoral and suggested a better allocation of funding that would stop the problem posed by the question at the root.


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  • #9022
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    I identified that the question and the parameters that was set within are inherently amoral and suggested a better allocation of funding that would stop the problem posed by the question at the root.
    'I dodged the question.'


  • #9023
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Not successfully. You've blamed the victim for being at the protest.

    No, I suggested they would have been safer had they not attended and then stated that they were not responsible for the injuries they received whilst there.


  • #9024
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    nullzero wrote: »
    Very good question.

    Do you have an answer, you are the one who referenced it?

    My answer is: nothing. There’s even doubt whether Trump could declare Antifa a terrorist organisation.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9025
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    No, I suggested they would have been safer had they not attended and then stated that they were not responsible for the injuries they received whilst there.

    'They were not responsible BUT...'

    Blaming the victim for attending.


  • #9026
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Do you have an answer, you are the one who referenced it?

    My answer is: nothing. There’s even doubt whether Trump could declare Antifa a terrorist organisation.

    No I don't have an answer.

    I don't claim to be omnipotent.


  • #9027
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    'They were not responsible BUT...'

    Blaming the victim for attending.

    No, suggesting they would have been better of not attending and stating they were not at fault for their injuries.

    Any sign of those quotes from me saying people have no right to protest against their government?


  • #9028
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    nullzero wrote: »
    No I don't have an answer.

    I don't claim to be omnipotent.

    Ok. Then why try to use it as a stick to beat Antifa with, it actually meant nothing.

    It had as much legal power as Trump declaring the media as “the enemy of the people”.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9029
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nullzero wrote: »
    No, suggesting they would have been better of not attending and stating they were not at fault for their injuries.

    Again: blaming the victim for attending.


  • #9030
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Again: blaming the victim for attending.

    Again missing the context of what I said.

    Any joy finding where I said people have no right to protest their government?


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  • #9031
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Ok. Then why try to use it as a stick to beat Antifa with, it actually meant nothing.

    It had as much legal power as Trump declaring the media as “the enemy of the people”.

    I didn't use it as a stick to beat them with.


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