Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:15PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Starr county is a 5:30hour drive from Houston in opposite direction to Dallas.

On the Mexican border, with an average daily case number of less than 50. They have a small hospital, it's obviously going to struggle with that figure.

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:15PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Higher than i hoped for positive tests. I wonder will we have a lag like last week with alot of those 55 being announced on Tuesday?

I think we'll have a high number today or tomorrow yeah.

Away With The Fairies · 27-07-2020 04:16PM

big syke wrote: »

I have never seen someone spouting such crap. Honestly.

First start by looking up a dictionary and seeing what Majority means. Second read the below. I presume the WHO is a good enough source for you?

https://www.who.int/westernpacific/emergencies/covid-19/information/severity

"While COVID-19 is spreading rapidly, most people will experience only mild or moderate symptoms."

"Most people infected with COVID-19 will only have mild symptoms and fully recover. Yet, some people are more at risk."

I'm stating something that is true. People can have very low oxygen levels without knowing. People with mild symptoms can also have lasting effects.

This is far from mild that they told us it would be. Even 1 in 5 young people can have symptoms for longer than the 2 weeks.

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:17PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm stating something that is true. People can have very low oxygen levels without knowing. People with mild symptoms can also have lasting effects.

This is far from mild that they told us it would be. Even 1 in 5 young people can have symptoms for longer than the 2 weeks.

That's the same as the flu. I've had the flu twice and it lasted for almost 3 weeks.

podgeandrodge · 27-07-2020 04:19PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Where did this often repeated BS about supermarkets being 'safe' come from ?

Deaths in shop workers up to 75% higher than rest of country

"Sales assistants are significantly more likely to die from coronavirus, Matt Hancock told MPs today as he confirmed face masks would become mandatory in shops and supermarkets.

The Health Secretary said the Covid-19 death rate among male shop workers is 75% higher than the general population, and 60% higher in women, underlining the urgent need for face coverings in public to protect the spread of coronavirus."

Certainly conversations have been around supermarkets specifically, which were open throughout the pandemic, compared to most retail which may involve being indoor for longer and closed environments like shopping centres. Most people going to the supermarket are not there for that long and able to distance for the short period. In addition, the UK, in relation to the above, has quoted background, ethnicity and other factors as perhaps being a factor in the higher %s.

Have you data on cases of Irish supermarket staff dying at a higher rate than other Irish people in this pandemic?

I see that the following was issued by supermarkets this week - perhaps it is 75% greater than most, I don't know:

"Dr Ronan Glynn warned on Monday about cluster outbreaks in a number of settings including supermarkets.

One Tesco Ireland worker is currently off work and recovering from coronavirus amid the Government warning of supermarket outbreaks.

The shopping giant said that out of their 13,000 workers a "small few" have tested positive since the disease reached Ireland.

Fellow supermarket giants Lidl and Aldi currently have no workers off sick as a result of Covid-19.

Since March, 12 of Aldi's 4,000 strong staff have been hit with the disease but all have since recovered and returned to work.

Lidl said that no staff member has tested positive in the last eight weeks but did not specify if any were diagnosed before that.

Tesco Ireland told the Irish Mirror that all their staff received full sick pay if they contracted the disease. A spokesperson said: "Due to the diligence of our colleagues in adhering to the public health guidelines and the measures we have put in place in stores, only small number of our 13,000 colleagues have tested positive for COVID-19 since March.

Aldi also praised their staff for their work in the pandemic so far. A spokesperson said: "12 Aldi store team members from our workforce of over 4,000 have tested positive for Covid-19. Each team member has fully recovered and returned to work.

For the record, I advocate masks in confined spaces for periods of time where it is not possible to socially distance.

big syke · 27-07-2020 04:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm stating something that is true. People can have very low oxygen levels without knowing. People with mild symptoms can also have lasting effects.

This is far from mild that they told us it would be. Even 1 in 5 young people can have symptoms for longer than the 2 weeks.

You are bending the truth. You literally said "So it's not harmless for the majority of people." and it absolutely is. It is not far from mild. It is, in general for the majority of people, a mild illness. Unfortunately for some it is not mild and very severe and for another small% of people there may be some lingering affects.

For most people i.e. +80% it is mild to immeasurable.

Do you understand what a majority is?

Also you fun fact above even proves you wrong - 80% of people don't have symptoms for longer than the 2 weeks

timsey tiger · 27-07-2020 04:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

On the Mexican border, with an average daily case number of less than 50. They have a small hospital, it's obviously going to struggle with that figure.

Small pop. obv. small numbers. It is a myth that pop. density is the problem, interaction levels are the problem.

Strumms · 27-07-2020 04:20PM

Doorbell rings... guy standing there who isn’t known to me, I open the door... him : “ohhh hello, I’m **** from the Mater Hospital Foundation, wondering if you’d be interested in sponsoring.. “ I just shake my head and shut the door... has this whole country gone fuçkin mad, or what... that you have a hospital foundation charity sending people door to door in a pandemic looking for donations... I mean WTF ! Seriously.

KrustyUCC · 27-07-2020 04:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE - 48 HOURS

Tests conducted last 48 hours: 13804
Tests conducted last 7 days: 46,922
Positive Tests last 48 hours: 55
Positivity Rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Thankfully that's over 48 houurs

Good to still see low positivity rate

Boggles · 27-07-2020 04:22PM

55 positive swabs last 2 days, do they not publish on a Sunday?

KrustyUCC · 27-07-2020 04:27PM

Expecting big enough number is its the 55 - the 12 announced yesterday

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

55 positive swabs last 2 days, do they not publish on a Sunday?

Nope they don't publish weekend testing figures until Monday

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:29PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Small pop. obv. small numbers. It is a myth that pop. density is the problem, interaction levels are the problem.

Starr County has a lower cases per 100,000 than County Sligo (226/100,000 in Sligo and 82/100,000 in Starr), Sligo has a higher population density (36/km^2 vs 20/km^2). I'm fairly certain population density has a say.

hmmm · 27-07-2020 04:35PM

Just a flu. Mild. Open up. Only affects elderly people.

https://wsbt.com/news/nation-world/chief-of-critical-care-at-mercy-hospital-in-baltimore-dies-of-covid-19

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:36PM

I know of a 21 y/o fella who lived in the US who got sick start of last week, woke with a fever Monday morning and was dead by Saturday.

Non solum non ambulabit · 27-07-2020 04:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

Just a flu. Mild. Open up. Only affects elderly people.

https://wsbt.com/news/nation-world/chief-of-critical-care-at-mercy-hospital-in-baltimore-dies-of-covid-19

You are arguing with yourself here. Nobody thinks it is just a flu and only affects elderly people. It is mild for the huge majority of people and that is a fact based on 15% hospitalisation rate in Ireland.

US2 · 27-07-2020 04:40PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You are arguing with yourself here. Nobody thinks it is just a flu and only affects elderly people. It is mild for the huge majority of people and that is a fact based on 15% hospitalisation rate in Ireland.

And thats 15% of people who got tested. Many many more dont even get tested because its so mild.

hmmm · 27-07-2020 04:42PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Nobody thinks it is just a flu and only affects elderly people.

You should head over the Restrictions thread, or have a look here at posts by people like Assetbacked.

Since when was 15% hospitalisation a mild disease? Besides it's not that high, but the numbers requiring hospitalisation are still unlike anything else we have seen in recent decades.

Can you tell when someone gets Covid whether they are going to get mild symptoms?

Boggles · 27-07-2020 04:42PM

US2 wrote: »

Really nervous now about my flight in the morning

US2 wrote: »

And thats 15% of people who got tested. Many many more dont even get tested because its so mild.

How was your flight?

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:43PM

hmmm wrote: »

You should head over the Restrictions thread, or have a look here at posts by people like Assetbacked.

Since when was 15% hospitalisation a mild disease?

Can you tell when someone gets Covid whether they are going to get mild symptoms?

15% of confirmed cases, likely a much smaller percentage when you take into account everyone who wasn't tested.

hmmm · 27-07-2020 04:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

15% of confirmed cases, likely a much smaller percentage when you take into account everyone who wasn't tested.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing now. This is a mild disease?

political analyst · 27-07-2020 04:45PM

Professor Adrian Hill of the Jenner Institute was quoted in Saturday's Indo as saying, in Ireland's case, there might be 1 million doses for 5 million people and someone will have to decide who gets vaccinated first.

Obviously, healthcare workers are at least among those to be vaccinated first because we need to be well so they can fight to save lives.

Is it still the case the vaccine would be ineffective for the elderly?

hmmm · 27-07-2020 04:47PM

political analyst wrote: »

Is it still the case the vaccine would be ineffective for the elderly?

Depends what testing shows. Many vaccines are ineffective in the elderly as their immune systems don't have a strong enough response. We know anecdotally that an 80 year old in the Oxford Brazilian trial generated an immune response, so there is that.

We'll probably have a couple of vaccines which will be targeted at different groups.

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:48PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm not even sure what you're arguing now. This is a mild disease?

I'm arguing that the number of cases is likely way higher than what we have counted, as many were not sick enough to get tested. It's a fact like I'm not sure why you're disagreeing. The vast majority of people are fine, a small minority develop serious illness.

zinfandel · 27-07-2020 04:48PM

hmmm wrote: »

Just a flu. Mild. Open up. Only affects elderly people.

https://wsbt.com/news/nation-world/chief-of-critical-care-at-mercy-hospital-in-baltimore-dies-of-covid-19

tell that to the 33,000 who died in New york alone, and the 1000's still sick thats what happens when something goes out of control and no they were not all elderly.

ShyMets · 27-07-2020 04:51PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm not even sure what you're arguing now. This is a mild disease?

Its not mild not mild when compared to a cold or flu. But we can say that only 15% percent of people require hospitalisation based on officially figures and as a previous poster has stated this figure is probably lower based on under reporting

The rest will be able to fight this off. That's not to say they wont get a nasty dose. Some will. Others will be asymptomatic.

This is a deadly disease for some people. But the stats will tell us for the majority its not

hmmm · 27-07-2020 04:53PM

ShyMets wrote: »

This is a deadly disease for some people. But the stats will tell us for the majority its not

We know this. What is your point?

ACitizenErased · 27-07-2020 04:54PM

Latest estimates for IFR of the disease are between 0.6 and 1%. This means that, taking our death figures into account, we can estimate between 176,400 - 294,000 actual cases of the virus. You can make an assumption based on this that over 150,000 people were not sick enough to get tested (or on the other hand couldn't get tested, although we never had such demand).

ShyMets · 27-07-2020 04:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

We know this. What is your point?[/QUO
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That for the majority of people this is a mild disease and for a percentage of people it wont be.

igCorcaigh · 27-07-2020 05:00PM

An IFR in the range of 0.6 to 1.0 is rather high.

That would translate to an awful toll. I'm hoping newer treatments and care will bring that estimate down substantially.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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