Masks

timetogo1 · 23-07-2020 11:16PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

You need to have another read yourself.

Here's a picture for the slow learners. Straight from the WHO. I see people doing at least 5 of the 7 "Don'ts" every single day of the week.

Grand so. Print out the picture and bring it with you. You can give it to all the people you're seeing every few minutes. The rest of us will just continue not touching our masks when wearing them properly.
Problem solved.

Tork · 23-07-2020 11:19PM

Yes: to protect others

I don't see anything on that poster advocating non-mask use. The WHO is correct in saying that masks alone cannot protect people. That's a perfectly fair point. We all should be continuing to socially distance, wash our hands, staying home if we feel sick. The masks are simply another tool which have been brought to the party late in the day. It is now becoming more apparent that the virus can be spread by droplets expelled from people's mouths and that wearing a mask will reduce or stop them from making their way into the air, ready to be inhaled by others. I agree that there are people who aren't wearing them properly but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. I see people wearing masks wrong but I also see plenty of folk not practising social distancing either.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 11:22PM

timetogo1 wrote: »

Grand so. Print out the picture and bring it with you. You can give it to all the people you're seeing every few minutes. The rest of us will just continue not touching our masks when wearing them properly.
Problem solved.

You wear your mask correctly so you don't give a **** about anyone else? Never mind that elderly person who is touching their mask and their face. Lovely attitude, shared by a few others on here.

24-07-2020 12:59AM

Massive difference in mask wearing where i am. Nearly everyone wearing them in shops now.

robinph · 24-07-2020 02:09AM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

You wear your mask correctly so you don't give a **** about anyone else? Never mind that elderly person who is touching their mask and their face. Lovely attitude, shared by a few others on here.

How does someone wearing a mask incorrectly increase their chances of catching the virus from you who are wearing a mask correctly? What difference does wearing a mask wrong compared to not wearing one at all make? Does the virus know that they are wearing a mask wrongly and target them specifically and avoid the people who are not wearing a mask at all?

What difference does being old make to if the virus chooses to land on them or not? Where are the studies showing how the virus is searching out these older people with incorrectly fitting masks but avoiding young people with no masks?

If you care about other people then wear a mask.
Avoid people who are not wearing masks as they don't care about you.

timetogo1 · 24-07-2020 05:06AM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

You wear your mask correctly so you don't give a **** about anyone else? Never mind that elderly person who is touching their mask and their face. Lovely attitude, shared by a few others on here.

Do you have a problem with comprehension?
I gave you a solution to the problem you've been moaning about for the last week. If you help the people you see, the problem goes away.
And as you see so many I thought printing out your little leaflet would help you.
But you prefer to whinge and moan. Lovely attitude.

I've spoken to a couple of people who were touching their masks when I was speaking to them. It's a simple solution that doesn't seem to have occurred to you. Posting on boards isn't going to help the people you're moaning about.

Black Swan · 24-07-2020 05:10AM

Yes: surgical

Wear mask in public and retail stores, etc.; wherever I come in contact with other folks. Also practice social distancing and wash hands often.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 07:21AM

robinph wrote: »

How does someone wearing a mask incorrectly increase their chances of catching the virus from you who are wearing a mask correctly? What difference does wearing a mask wrong compared to not wearing one at all make? Does the virus know that they are wearing a mask wrongly and target them specifically and avoid the people who are not wearing a mask at all?

What difference does being old make to if the virus chooses to land on them or not? Where are the studies showing how the virus is searching out these older people with incorrectly fitting masks but avoiding young people with no masks?

If you care about other people then wear a mask.
Avoid people who are not wearing masks as they don't care about you.

The WHO clearly show how NOT to wear masks, and people with contaminated hands touching/contaminating masks, touching/contaminating their face/themselves increases their risk of contracting the virus.

Elderly people are a high risk group, they particularly vulnerable and the mortality rate is highly significant for elderly people if they contract the virus!

I don't know what bull**** studies you're on about, but I've certainly not said anything about how "the virus is searching out these older people with incorrectly fitting masks but avoiding young people with no masks". This is just another lie.

It's astounding and dangerous that the pro-mask mob think there's nothing wrong with incorrectly wearing a mask, despite the WHO highlighting the risks. Even more astounding is their lack of regard for elderly people.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 07:25AM

timetogo1 wrote: »

Do you have a problem with comprehension?
I gave you a solution to the problem you've been moaning about for the last week. If you help the people you see, the problem goes away.
And as you see so many I thought printing out your little leaflet would help you.
But you prefer to whinge and moan. Lovely attitude.

I've spoken to a couple of people who were touching their masks when I was speaking to them. It's a simple solution that doesn't seem to have occurred to you. Posting on boards isn't going to help the people you're moaning about.

Unfortunately, this problem of incorrect mask usage is widespread and requires proper public health messaging, not just one or two people handing out leaflets to the country. This problem is not helped when pro-mask wearers are actively saying it doesn't matter if you wear the mask incorrectly or not! If you choose to wear a mask, it's important to do it correctly. Otherwise, you and everyone else are better off if you don't wear a mask.

tromtipp · 24-07-2020 07:36AM

Yes: surgical

GazzaL

Having seen the poster about medical masks I now understand your confusion.

Most of us here are not talking about medical masks - because the science has moved on.

That WHO poster on medical mask contains some advice relevant to non-medical masks used to reduce the spread of the virus - masks should cover nose and mouth and touching the face should be avoided (the mask will help with this).

In other respects it applies to a different class of masks and is misleading.

Masks to reduce the spread of the virus are NOT the same as medical masks.

Masks to reduce the spread of the virus can be safely made of fabric, recycled or new.

Masks to reduce the spread of the virus not only can be washed and re-used, they should be washed after every use.

I suspect fear of the virus is making you panicky and preventing you from thinking clearly - maybe take a break for a while, and then try reading some up-to-date advice.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 07:42AM

tromtipp wrote: »

GazzaL

Having seen the poster about medical masks I now understand your confusion.

Most of us here are not talking about medical masks - because the science has moved on.

That WHO poster on medical mask contains some advice relevant to non-medical masks used to reduce the spread of the virus - masks should cover nose and mouth and touching the face should be avoided (the mask will help with this).

In other respects it applies to a different class of masks and is misleading.

Masks to reduce the spread of the virus are NOT the same as medical masks.

Masks to reduce the spread of the virus can be safely made of fabric, recycled or new.

Masks to reduce the spread of the virus not only can be washed and re-used, they should be washed after every use.

I suspect fear of the virus is making you panicky and preventing you from thinking clearly - maybe take a break for a while, and then try reading some up-to-date advice.

There's huge numbers of people wearing medical masks, not just the cotton/fabric ones. We're talking about all types of face masks and face coverings.

The WHO also advise to avoid touching/fidgeting non-medical masks, and their Do's and Don'ts are very similar for both types of masks. Another WHO link: https://www.who.int/images/default-source/health-topics/coronavirus/clothing-masks-infographic---(web)-logo-who.png?sfvrsn=b15e3742_16

I'm not panicking, but I am concerned about the health and welfare of people. The fact that the pro-mask crowd on here are actively dismissing WHO guidelines and saying what does it matter about elderly people, is disgraceful.

tromtipp · 24-07-2020 08:02AM

Yes: surgical

Two separate issues.

Older people more vulnerable (so far) - yes, quite true.

Older people more likely to ignore advice on mask wearing - no evidence of this.

robinph · 24-07-2020 08:04AM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

The WHO clearly show how NOT to wear masks, and people with contaminated hands touching/contaminating masks, touching/contaminating their face/themselves increases their risk of contracting the virus.

Agreed, but how does someone with contaminated hands touching their unmasked face somehow be safer than their contaminated hands touching their badly masked face and where does a properly masked face fit in that risk scale.

It their hands are contaminated then it really doesn't matter about the mask if they don't clean their hands.

GazzaL wrote: »

Elderly people are a high risk group, they particularly vulnerable and the mortality rate is highly significant for elderly people if they contract the virus!

Agreed.

GazzaL wrote: »

I don't know what bull**** studies you're on about, but I've certainly not said anything about how "the virus is searching out these older people with incorrectly fitting masks but avoiding young people with no masks". This is just another lie.

Then why do you keep mentioning old people with badly fitted masks touching their face? A persons age and the fitting of a mask is irrelevant to if the virus.

GazzaL wrote: »

It's astounding and dangerous that the pro-mask mob think there's nothing wrong with incorrectly wearing a mask, despite the WHO highlighting the risks. Even more astounding is their lack of regard for elderly people.

What is the risk to the individual from a badly fitted mask?
The risk is to any passers-by who are not protected by them wearing a mask. The solution is to keep away from those people, or point out their errors. Stopping them wearing a mask doesn't improve anything.

odyssey06 · 24-07-2020 08:22AM

GazzaL wrote: »

Even more astounding is their lack of regard for elderly people.

This is a canard you have taken to spreading because you misread a post and have now turned it into a propaganda piece against masks.

Go back and re-read the post and all the posts correcting you on this subject - and this time read it in in good faith and not in deliberate misunderstanding mode.

You are demonstrating you are incapable of distinguishing between two kinds of risks:
(1) The risks of someone contracting the virus - which is the same for elderly people as any adult.
Versus
(2) The risks of complications should someone contract the virus - which is higher for elderly people.

They are two different risks. It was clear the poster and subsequent posters are talking about risk (1).

Wearing a mask shows regard for elderly people and all people.
It is an act of solidarity with your fellow citizens, as it is more about protecting them than protecting yourself.
It is those who seek to dodge the mandates on masks, or don't take the time to put it on properly - or even worse, deliberately mis-wear it as some sort of act of childish petulance, which are clearly and obviously those who show a lack of regard for the vulnerable in our society.

24-07-2020 08:27AM

GazzaL wrote: »

If you choose to wear a mask, it's important to do it correctly. Otherwise, you and everyone else are better off if you don't wear a mask.

You keep talking about people touching their masks as an example of them being used incorrectly. Now you say that other people would be better off if you didn't wear one at all. This is yet another example of a complete failure of logic on your part. Touching a mask doesn't stop the mask from doing its job reducing the spread of the virus from your mouth.

And you really should give this "mask-wearers don't care about people" thing a rest. It's clearly just designed to get a rise out of people and doesn't make any sense. It's just sad to look at.

odyssey06 · 24-07-2020 08:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You keep talking about people touching their masks as an example of them being used incorrectly. Now you say that other people would be better off if you didn't wear one at all. This is yet another example of a complete failure of logic on your part. Touching a mask doesn't stop the mask from doing its job reducing the spread of the virus from your mouth.

Plus this is a respiratory virus. The figures for the drops in cases in health and care settings following general adoption of masks in April suggests also that respiratory mechanism is primary means of spread. In those settings there was already hand sanitising protocol and as much distancing as possible.
It can spread by surfaces, but much of the early health advice was based on dodgy data from China who tried to cover-up human to human transmission and spun it as spread mostly by 'fomites' i.e. objects and surfaces.

You can sanitise your hands if it's on something you touched.
If you breath in droplets of the virus there is nothing you can do.

24-07-2020 08:39AM

The poster simply has lower than average intelligence as is shown by his belief in every new anti-mask conspiracy rhetoric and his relentless inability to apply logic correctly. That's not even an insult. It's just a fact.

Thankfully, most people aren't like that and he can benefit from the environment other more responsible people create for him by wearing masks. Let him have his inane arguments and biases. It doesn't matter. We can just repeatedly correct him out of boredom knowing that other lurkers on the thread can see our points and might decide it's time to wear a mask.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that maybe he's a pro-masker's alt account trying to make anti-maskers look terrible.

delicateflower · 24-07-2020 09:00AM

Some one with breathing problems using public transport with or without a mask during a plague that attacks the lungs is like my pale white irish ass going on a holiday to Dubai and walking around in the midday sun with no shirt and no sun screen on, getting burnt to blister and than complaining about the sun burn.
A complete eejit who deserves it.
While most of you where at safe at home collecting 350 a week i have been out working, driving eejits around, 90% non essential eejit passengers. Somehow i have avoided infection, im not going to get it now as we near the end because some gob****e says that can’t wear a mask, im not going to stop to pick you up.

You are not special, you can and will get infected, im have no intention of joining you, suck it up and wear a mask or stay at home.

cnbc.com/2020/07/23/american-southwest-say-medical-exemptions-cant-be-used-to-avoid-masks.html

weldoninhio · 24-07-2020 09:14AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

delicateflower wrote: »

Some one with breathing problems using public transport with or without a mask during a plague that attacks the lungs is like my pale white irish ass going on a holiday to Dubai and walking around in the midday sun with no shirt and no sun screen on, getting burnt to blister and than complaining about the sun burn.
A complete eejit who deserves it.
While most of you where at safe at home collecting 350 a week i have been out working, driving eejits around, 90% non essential eejit passengers. Somehow i have avoided infection, im not going to get it now as we near the end because some gob****e says that can’t wear a mask, im not going to stop to pick you up.

You are not special, you can and will get infected, im have no intention of joining you, suck it up and wear a mask or stay at home.

cnbc.com/2020/07/23/american-southwest-say-medical-exemptions-cant-be-used-to-avoid-masks.html

Course we will Mystic Meg.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 09:16AM

tromtipp wrote: »

Two separate issues.

Older people more vulnerable (so far) - yes, quite true.

Older people more likely to ignore advice on mask wearing - no evidence of this.

It's possible for people of all ages to wear masks incorrectly. It's most concerning when seeing elderly people wear masks incorrectly as they are a higher risk group.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 09:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You keep talking about people touching their masks as an example of them being used incorrectly. Now you say that other people would be better off if you didn't wear one at all. This is yet another example of a complete failure of logic on your part. Touching a mask doesn't stop the mask from doing its job reducing the spread of the virus from your mouth.

And you really should give this "mask-wearers don't care about people" thing a rest. It's clearly just designed to get a rise out of people and doesn't make any sense. It's just sad to look at.

The WHO say that it is incorrect to touch your mask. Some "experts" on here claim otherwise, and don't seem to regard elderly people as being more at risk of COVID-19. Mind boggling.

robinph · 24-07-2020 09:25AM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

It's possible for people of all ages to wear masks incorrectly. It's most concerning when seeing elderly people wear masks incorrectly as they are a higher risk group.

The mask is not for the benefit of the person wearing it.

Why are you so concerned about old people wearing masks incorrectly? If you are wearing yours properly then you are protecting them.

The wearing of a mask and someone's chances of getting seriously ill from the virus are two completely separate issues. Stop trying to make out they are the same thing.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 09:26AM

robinph wrote: »

The mask is not for the benefit of the person wearing it.

Why are you so concerned about old people wearing masks incorrectly? If you are wearing yours properly then you are protecting them.

The wearing of a mask and someone's chances of getting seriously ill from the virus are two completely separate issues. Stop trying to make out they are the same thing.

Because I am concerned for other people's welfare. I don't subscribe to the view that if I wear a mask properly, I'm grand, **** everyone else.

24-07-2020 09:27AM

GazzaL wrote: »

The WHO say that it is incorrect to touch your mask. Some "experts" on here claim otherwise, and don't seem to regard elderly people as being more at risk of COVID-19. Mind boggling.

Who is claiming that it is correct to touch your mask?

robinph · 24-07-2020 09:30AM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

The WHO say that it is incorrect to touch your mask. Some "experts" on here claim otherwise, and don't seem to regard elderly people as being more at risk of COVID-19. Mind boggling.

Touching your mask doesn't make the virus suddenly appear on your mask.

If I've cleaned my hands, put a mask on, scratched my nose where has the virus come from that I'm suddenly in mortal danger?

Also nobody is saying that elderly people are not at risk from Covid19. We are saying that their risk once infected is nothing to do with if they are wearing a mask properly or not. Stop bringing old people into the conversation, it's irrelevant to the issue.

GazzaL · 24-07-2020 09:34AM

robinph wrote: »

Touching your mask doesn't make the virus suddenly appear on your mask.

If I've cleaned my hands, put a mask on, scratched my nose where has the virus come from that I'm suddenly in mortal danger?

Also nobody is saying that elderly people are not at risk from Covid19. We are saying that their risk once infected is nothing to do with if they are wearing a mask properly or not. Stop bringing old people into the conversation, it's irrelevant to the issue.

Again, disgraceful dismissing of WHO guidelines. If you're hands become contaminated and you fidget with your mask and touch your face, you risk infecting yourself. Elderly people are a very high risk group, they are always going to be part of the conversation.

24-07-2020 09:35AM

GazzaL, what is your actual argument here? Do you think people shouldn't wear them?

Sconsey · 24-07-2020 09:36AM

No: other

Very difficult to take anything GazzrL says seriously, he/she came out with this gem a few days ago, making it up and then calliing people dirty bastards for trying to reduce the risk of spreading the virus. Just so you are all aware of the mentality of the person you are debating with...

GazzaL wrote: »

The pro mask crowd think they're invincible once they've got a rag over their mouths, they're throwing social distancing and good hygiene out the window. They don't give a **** about anyone else once they've got a mask on. Dirty bastards.

robinph · 24-07-2020 09:38AM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

Because I am concerned for other people's welfare. I don't subscribe to the view that if I wear a mask properly, I'm grand, **** everyone else.

It seems that you are able to grasp that you wearing a mask doesn't protect you, we might be able to get somewhere now.

Now where has anybody claimed that by them wearing a mask themselves they don't care about anyone else who might not be wearing a mask properly?

The wearing of masks is for the purpose of protecting others.

golfball37 · 24-07-2020 09:46AM

The protecting others argument doesn’t stack up for me. Do we really believe there are tons of asymptomatic virus carriers out there? Three months ago they weren’t mandatory.

This virus is so deadly it’s killing 2% of those who catch it. It’s so smart it can distinguish between someone who has had a pint and spent 9 euro on food as opposed to someone who hasn’t.

Forgive me if I think we’re making this up as we go along. Mandatory mask wearing is just the latest unproven fad Mick is happy to buy into.

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