Masks

Tork · 23-07-2020 09:20PM

Yes: to protect others

So if everybody stopped wearing masks made from "SOILED bedsheets" and wore them properly, you'd be a happy camper? I see.

xhomelezz · 23-07-2020 09:21PM

Yes: valved

GazzaL wrote: »

I don't give a toss if you're laughing at the points I'm making. Fair enough if you don't believe people are making masks from dirty old bedsheets. Fair enough if you don't give a **** about people, particularly elderly people, who are at higher risk of infection due to incorrect mask usage.

And what exactly are your points? I'm seriously confused by now. And please don't bring elderly peeps into this. Reading your posts gives me indication that you don't give a ****.

Overheal · 23-07-2020 09:25PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

I don't give a toss if you're laughing at the points I'm making.

You haven't made any point, that would require substantiation, which you haven't provided

bodhrandude · 23-07-2020 09:26PM

Yes: surgical

Gazzal where are you getting your info from, some scat porn channel by sounds of it.

Tork · 23-07-2020 09:31PM

Yes: to protect others

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 09:41PM

It's amazing the amount of you that have resorted to personal abuse rather than debate actual issues brought up. I guess you can't argue with facts so you attempt to hurl abuse instead.

I make the point that elderly people who incorrectly wear masks are at higher risk. A bunch of simpletons decide to respond with memes to distract from that point. It's absolutely disgusting how little some of the pro mask crowd care about other people. The same mé féiners who wanted the entire country locked up indefinitely until there isn't a single case of COVID left, completely devoid of reality.

khalessi · 23-07-2020 09:44PM

Yes: surgical

GazzaL wrote: »

It's amazing the amount of you that have resorted to personal abuse rather than debate actual issues brought up. I guess you can't argue with facts so you attempt to hurl abuse instead.

I make the point that elderly people who incorrectly wear masks are at higher risk. A bunch of simpletons decide to respond with memes to distract from that point. It's absolutely disgusting how little some of the pro mask crowd care about other people. The same mé féiners who wanted the entire country locked up indefinitely until there isn't a single case of COVID left, completely devoid of reality.

The elderly people I know who wear masks also use hand hygiene before entering shop, on leaving, and then in the car on their hands and steering wheel and on entering home.

It takes practice and people will get the hang of it, and for all you know they use other methofs too including hand hygiene and sd.

Jim_Hodge · 23-07-2020 09:46PM

Yes: homemade

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robinph · 23-07-2020 09:47PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

I make the point that elderly people who incorrectly wear masks are at higher risk.

At a higher risk of what? Swallowing their mask? Yes, you are probably right.

Having a mask on incorrectly doesn't put them at a higher risk of anything though. The virus doesn't target people who wear their masks wrong.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 10:02PM

robinph wrote: »

At a higher risk of what? Swallowing their mask? Yes, you are probably right.

Having a mask on incorrectly doesn't put them at a higher risk of anything though. The virus doesn't target people who wear their masks wrong.

So we should ignore the WHO's advice on how to correctly wear face masks because it doesn't make a difference? If an elderly person keeps touching their mask and touching their face, that's grand?

Stark · 23-07-2020 10:06PM

No: other

If most people are wearing masks then a few people touching their masks or wearing them incorrectly doesn't make much of a difference as there isn't virus in the environment for them to pick up.

A **** load of people use condoms incorrectly. That doesn't mean condoms are a bad idea

robinph · 23-07-2020 10:14PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

So we should ignore the WHO's advice on how to correctly wear face masks because it doesn't make a difference? If an elderly person keeps touching their mask and touching their face, that's grand?

What do you think they are at risk of by touching their face while wearing a mask compared to when not wearing a mask, and why does being older increase the risk to them.

It's best if people don't touch their masks, but we are not talking about being in an operating theatre here where the mask is to stop blood and other nasties reaching you. The point of wearing a mask in public spaces is to reduce the spread of your breathing upon others, not to protect you.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 10:22PM

robinph wrote: »

What do you think they are at risk of by touching their face while wearing a mask compared to when not wearing a mask, and why does being older increase the risk to them.

It's best if people don't touch their masks, but we are not talking about being in an operating theatre here where the mask is to stop blood and other nasties reaching you. The point of wearing a mask in public spaces is to reduce the spread of your breathing upon others, not to protect you.

Are you actually being serious?

That's completely against WHO guidance for the safe use of masks. Contaminated hands, touching/contaminating masks, touching/contaminating their face/themselves...

And in case you haven't realised at this point, elderly people are particularly vulnerable and at risk from COVID-19!

It goes to show that pro-mask people are either ignorant of the risks that some people face or they simply don't care about other people. As I've already said, the simple, basic messages like social distancing, good hygiene (including not touching your face!) that helped smash the numbers down are being lost by all the noise about masks.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 10:32PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Are you actually being serious?

That's completely against WHO guidance for the safe use of masks. Contaminated hands, touching/contaminating masks, touching/contaminating their face/themselves...

And in case you haven't realised at this point, elderly people are particularly vulnerable and at risk from COVID-19!

It goes to show that pro-mask people are either ignorant of the risks that some people face or they simply don't care about other people. As I've already said, the simple, basic messages like social distancing, good hygiene (including not touching your face!) that helped smash the numbers down are being lost by all the noise about masks.

Could you reread the post you are ranting about instead of this strawman post.
It already rebutted everything you said.
The only ignorance on display here is your own.
You still dont get that the main reason to wear masks is to protect others.
After it being said to you dozens of times.

This is a different rationale to mask use for healthcare workers to protect themselves.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 10:35PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Could you reread the post you are ranting about instead of this strawman post.
It already rebutted everything you said.
The only ignorance on display here is your own.
You still dont get that the main reason to wear masks is to protect others.
After it being said to you dozens of times.

This is a different rationale to mask use for healthcare workers to protect themselves.

You've rebutted nothing. It's a disgrace and downright dangerous that pro-mask people are saying there's no problem with touching/fidgeting with face masks, which is completely against WHO guidelines. Even worse, they say "why does being older increase the risk to them."! Have you been asleep for the last few months while COVID-19 has run rampant amongst elderly people?

weldoninhio · 23-07-2020 10:36PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Stark wrote: »

If most people are wearing masks then a few people touching their masks or wearing them incorrectly doesn't make much of a difference as there isn't virus in the environment for them to pick up.

A **** load of people use condoms incorrectly. That doesn't mean condoms are a bad idea

If there isn’t virus in the environment for them to pick up, why tf do people need to wear masks??

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 10:41PM

GazzaL wrote: »

You've rebutted nothing. It's a disgrace and downright dangerous that pro-mask people are saying there's no problem with touching/fidgeting with face masks, which is completely against WHO guidelines. Even worse, they say "why does being older increase the risk to them."! Have you been asleep for the last few months while COVID-19 has run rampant amongst elderly people?

You seem to be half asleep reading other peoples posts.
It was obvious the poster meant how does being older increase their risk of getting the virus.
As distinct to their risk of serious complications should they get it.

Also they did not say there was no problem.

You seem to have deranged yourself into a place where you think you can use phrases like pro mask nutters because you seem unable to accept what they are writing.
So you invent these contrary strawman versions of what they said.

Jim_Hodge · 23-07-2020 10:44PM

Yes: homemade

weldoninhio wrote: »

If there isn’t virus in the environment for them to pick up, why tf do people need to wear masks??

Just think about that for a few minutes.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 10:45PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You seem to be half asleep reading other peoples posts.
It was obvious the poster meant how does being older increase their risk of getting the virus.
As distinct to their risk of serious complications should they get it.

Also they did not say there was no problem.

You seem to have deranged yourself into a place where you think you can use phrases like pro mask nutters because you seem unable to accept what they are writing.
So you invent these contrary strawman versions of what they said.

Again with the personal abuse, because you simply can't argue with facts.

Pro-Mask Crowd: It's ok to touch your mask and touch your face, it doesn't matter if you're elderly or not.

WHO & GazzaL: No, it's not ok to touch your mask and touch your face. Elderly people are particularly vulnerable and at risk from COVID-19.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 10:47PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If there isn’t virus in the environment for them to pick up, why tf do people need to wear masks??

Why does your car need the hand brake on if its not moving?
What happens if you take the hand brake off?

One of the reasons the virus wouldnt be in the environment because of the masks...so people arent coughing sneezing or dropping specks of droplets as they talk.
Bearing in mind this is a respiratory virus.

weldoninhio · 23-07-2020 10:47PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Just think about that for a few minutes.

Thought about it. Feel even more secure in not wearing a mask now.

froog · 23-07-2020 10:50PM

Yes: surgical

Jesus christ its not rocket science. Its a barrier. It catches some of your spit. It helps to stop some spreading of the virus.

Thats it. You dont need a degree in anything to understand it. How this became a topic of huge debate, conspiracy and a political thing is mind boggling.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 10:52PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Again with the personal abuse, because you simply can't argue with facts.

Pro-Mask Crowd: It's ok to touch your mask and touch your face, it doesn't matter if you're elderly or not.

WHO & GazzaL: No, it's not ok to touch your mask and touch your face. Elderly people are particularly vulnerable and at risk from COVID-19.

You are throwing out phrases like promask nutters and when called out on it plead personal abuse?

It doesnt matter if you are elderly or 40 when it comes to chances of getting the virus.
As already explainedto you

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 10:57PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You are throwing out phrases like promask nutters and when called out on it plead personal abuse?

It doesnt matter if you are elderly or 40 when it comes to chances of getting the virus.
As already explainedto you

Elderly people are more at risk of serious illness and death from COVID-19. This is sadly born out in the numbers. There is no point in trying to pretend otherwise, and I would much rather not see elderly people in particular incorrectly wearing face masks and increasing their risk of contracting the virus.

Away With The Fairies · 23-07-2020 10:59PM

Yes: valved

I like this doctor and how he talks about masks in the first few minutes. Saying that if you use a medical condition as an excuse not to wear masks, you should probably stay at home.

https://youtu.be/wEid0Hxt8mk

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 11:04PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Elderly people are more at risk of serious illness and death. This is sadly born out in the numbers. There is no point in trying to pretend otherwise, and I would much rather not see elderly people in particular incorrectly wearing face masks and increasing their risk of contracting the virus.

Can you lay this strawman to rest.
Nobody said that.
Nobody.
Find the post. Reread it. Thats not what they said about the risk.
You dont seem to understand the difference between risk of getting a virus versus the seriousness of it should you get it.

What was borne out by the numbers abroad is that cases drop when masks are adopted. See CDC figures for US states that have such masks rules.

What was borne out by the numbers here is that cases and deaths dropped when masks policy changed to widespread use here in care and health settings.

They should be wearing them properly.
If you can tie shoe laces or put on a tie you can put a mask on without fidgeting withit.
They are that simple.

Masks make the environment safer.
Elderly people are in a safer environment with everyone else masked up.
And they make the environment safer for others when they mask up.

This is a respiratory virus. You can sanitise your hands you cant sanitise your lungs after breathing in droplets of thevirus.

Stark · 23-07-2020 11:04PM

No: other

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I like this doctor and how he talks about masks in the first few minutes. Saying that if you use a medical condition as an excuse not to wear masks, you should probably stay at home.

https://youtu.be/wEid0Hxt8mk

There was a mountain race on Carauntoohil last weekend where one of the requirements was to wear a mask when registering and at the start line (you could take it off 200m after the start). One of the competitors actually rocked up with a fake doctor's note saying he had a "medical condition" which meant he couldn't wear a facemask. Was told if he had a medical condition that meant he couldn't wear a facemask then he was in no fit condition to be racing up Ireland's highest peak.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 11:05PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Can you lay this strawman to rest.
Nobody said that.
Nobody.
Find the post. Reread it. Thats not what they said about the risk.

What was borne out by the numbers abroad is that cases drop when masks are adopted. See CDC figures for US states that have such masks rules.

What was borne out by the numbers here is that cases and deaths dropped when masks policy changed to widespread use here in care and health settings.

They should be wearing them properly.
If you can tie shoe laces or put on a tie you can put a mask on without fidgeting withit.
They are that simple.

Masks make the environment safer.
Elderly people are in a safer environment with everyone else masked up.
And they make the environment safer for others when they mask up.

This is a respiratory virus. You can sanitise your hands you cant sanitise your lungs after breathing in droplets of thevirus.

You need to have another read yourself.

Here's a picture for the slow learners. Straight from the WHO. I see people doing at least 5 of the 7 "Don'ts" every single day of the week.

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odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 11:07PM

GazzaL wrote: »

You need to have another read yourself.

Here's a picture for the slow learners. Straight from the WHO. I see people doing at least 5 of the 7 "Don'ts" every

Find the image for social distancing and handwashing.
You will see people doing 7 out of 7 donts everyday.

Doesnt mean we shouldnt be advocating it.

GazzaL · 23-07-2020 11:14PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Find the image for social distancing and handwashing.
You will see people doing 7 out of 7 donts everyday.

Doesnt mean we shouldnt be advocating it.

Throw up the image there.

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