Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 23-07-2020 11:07AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

But can you explain how the leader of our country,a doctor no less on the frontline,6 months into the pandemic,didn't seem to realise it was a serious virus when he allowed thousands to gather to protest and felt like working movie quotes into his speeches on said "pandemic". It didn't seem very serious to him and he knows more about the virus than a lot of us.

He didn't 'allow' it. He didn't give it his blessing. He didn't tell them to go ahead. He told people to stay at home and stay apart.

23-07-2020 11:07AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

Completely avoiding the thousands that gathered on mass to protest about something in America i see.

You guys will say anything,you do realise Irish people had to die not being able to touch their family and the last thing they seen was people around them in space suits treating them like lepers before they died.

And you think its normal to work movie quotes into speeches about this actual tragedy for a bet no less,people have died,people are dying,lives are being ruined daily,show some respect.Do we tell jokes at funeral masses?

Yes, yes we do, all the time.

Wanderer78 · 23-07-2020 11:07AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

Completely avoiding the thousands that gathered on mass to protest about something in America i see.

You guys will say anything,you do realise Irish people had to die not being able to touch their family and the last thing they seen was people around them in space suits treating them like lepers before they died.

And you think its normal to work movie quotes into speeches about this actual tragedy for a bet no less,people have died,people are dying,lives are being ruined daily,show some respect.Do we tell jokes at funeral masses?

jaysis, this is even more bizarre,you want to reopen the economy, yet you re deeply concerned for dying people, very strange stuff

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 11:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, yes we do, all the time.

Well we have been to different funerals i guess i seen nothing but respect at any funerals i went to.

Stark · 23-07-2020 11:09AM

I've been to a few where there was a joke told or two.

FintanMcluskey · 23-07-2020 11:11AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

oh god!, leo and co were well aware of the virus months ago, very few humans truly understood its real dangers, we re still learning, some very interesting interviews out there with researchers on the front line, including irish folk, well worth a gander

That Gerry Killeen lad has done some interesting interviews alright. I imagine his ideas will go down in history

average_runner · 23-07-2020 11:11AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Coronavirus: Only 4,100 calls made to check up on 60,000 arrivals to Dublin Airport

Figures show percentage of follow-up calls being answered appears to be declining

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-only-4-100-calls-made-to-check-up-on-60-000-arrivals-to-dublin-airport-1.4311056

So our govt is telling us to do a staycation, while it cant even be bothered to ring people who have arrived here from US, etc.? Beautiful

Agree with you on this.

Listened to a person from HSE saying its only Irish coming back, but this is bull

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 11:12AM

Stark wrote: »

I've been to a few where there was a joke told or two.

A respectful joke in memory of the person that passed,i never seen a priest try to work movie quotes into the mass for a bet,it could have happened and if it did that would be highly disrespectful too.

23-07-2020 11:12AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

Well we have been to different funerals i guess i seen nothing but respect at any funerals i went to.

Laughing is not disrespect. There is a great tradition in Irish funerals of remembering and respecting the deceased through humour.

average_runner · 23-07-2020 11:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The balkans are treating this much more lightly than we are. The measures we have in place, even when pubs and schools return, will prevent exponential type growth as seen in March

Not true. Croatia lockdown started early.

27 February: carnival festivities are cancelled
10 March: schools and universities are closed
12 March: Olympic flame is lit in Ancient Olympia with a handful of VIP guests; Greece confirms first Covid-19 death
13 March: cafes and restaurants are shut
22 March: restrictions on movement imposed

Neighbour was not allowed to fly home and see his family in Croatia in March or April

Penfailed · 23-07-2020 11:15AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Laughing is not disrespect. There is a great tradition in Irish funerals of remembering and respecting the deceased through humour.

...and at wakes.

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 11:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Laughing is not disrespect. There is a great tradition in Irish funerals of remembering and respecting the deceased through humour.

When did Leo tell the joke? I never seen him laugh? Tell me where was the joke?

The joke was on us,an in house joke during an important speech in seemingly a "pandemic"

This is completely different to telling a joke at a funeral,he didn't tell a joke we were not in on it,if we were that would be different.

What if i went to a funeral and started working movie quotes into my conversations with the family and then went home and laughed with my boyfriend about it,you think that's not disrespectful?

That's fine is it,the Irish tradition of making people laugh even though the only people laughing are me and my friends in on the joke.

23-07-2020 11:22AM

average_runner wrote: »

Not true. Croatia lockdown started early.

27 February: carnival festivities are cancelled

10 March: schools and universities are closed

12 March: Olympic flame is lit in Ancient Olympia with a handful of VIP guests; Greece confirms first Covid-19 death

13 March: cafes and restaurants are shut

22 March: restrictions on movement imposed

Neighbour was not allowed to fly home and see his family in Croatia in March or April

A lot of places in central and eastern Europe seemed to think they had job done in May

growleaves · 23-07-2020 11:23AM

The biggest thing to hurt the credibility of the lockdown in this country was the go-ahead of the BLM march when gatherings were banned. Leo winked at it by saying "Racism is a virus" directly afterwards and the guards did not break it up or issue fines. There was a bit of censure by the authorities a day or two later when they saw the reaction of the ordinary locked-down person.

Obviously if we really were in a WWII-like struggle for existence, the usual rotation from one news-cycle cause celebré to another (a sudden switch to an anti-racist crisis/narrative abrogating the pandemic) would be suspended for the duration.

Pretty much everyone in the country understood that instantly bar a few regulars on this forum asking "What's the big deal?"

23-07-2020 11:27AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

When did Leo tell the joke? I never seen him laugh? Tell me where was the joke?

The joke was on us,an in house joke during an important speech in seemingly a "pandemic"

This is completely different to telling a joke at a funeral,he didn't tell a joke we were not in on it,if we were that would be different.

What if i went to a funeral and started working movie quotes into my conversations with the family and then went home and laughed with my boyfriend about it,you think that's not disrespectful?

That's fine is it,the Irish tradition of making people laugh even though the only people laughing are me and my friends in on the joke.

Its what we do.

Why the quotation marks on pandemic?

average_runner · 23-07-2020 11:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot of places in central and eastern Europe seemed to think they had job done in May

Their numbers indicated like ours did in June.

But holiday season is massive to these countries so all risks will be taken.

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its what we do.

Why the quotation marks on pandemic?

We mock people behind their backs at funerals? I don't,personally i try to be upfront with people and speak clear and honest.I don't work quotes into my conversations with people for a bet,at the expense of the person i am speaking to.

Because it's not a pandemic,just one in name only,an alleged pandemic but not a real one.

TaurenDruid · 23-07-2020 11:45AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

We mock people behind their backs at funerals? I don't,personally i try to be upfront with people and speak clear and honest.I don't work quotes into my conversations with people for a bet,at the expense of the person i am speaking to.

Reduced to putting words in people's mouths...

Because it's not a pandemic,just one in name only,an alleged pandemic but not a real one.

The numbers prove you wrong, but if that's what you're coming out with, I'd question whether it's a good use of anyone's time responding further.

Maybe you should go look for the conspiracy theory thread?

23-07-2020 11:46AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

We mock people behind their backs at funerals? I don't,personally i try to be upfront with people and speak clear and honest.I don't work quotes into my conversations with people for a bet,at the expense of the person i am speaking to.

Because it's not a pandemic,just one in name only,an alleged pandemic but not a real one.

Sharing a joke is not mocking people. Working quotes into speeches did not materially change what was being said and was not at the expense of anyone. Should he have done, no, but no one was mocked or misled in any way

And your second statement - come on, what is it then? Even if no one was to die its a pandemic. All credibility lost

John O.Groats · 23-07-2020 11:48AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

We mock people behind their backs at funerals? I don't,personally i try to be upfront with people and speak clear and honest.I don't work quotes into my conversations with people for a bet,at the expense of the person i am speaking to.

Because it's not a pandemic,just one in name only,an alleged pandemic but not a real one.

It`s not a real pandemic?!!!!! I would ask are you for real?

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 11:49AM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Reduced to putting words in people's mouths...

The numbers prove you wrong, but if that's what you're coming out with, I'd question whether it's a good use of anyone's time responding further.

Maybe you should go look for the conspiracy theory thread?

Why not tin foil hat man,that's weak man but not one bit new.

Where are these numbers?I mean because the numbers i get from the Hopkins college must be showing different than the ones u are getting,where are you getting your figures from i would love you to point me in the direction of somewhere else with reliable figures on the death rate.

caveat emptor · 23-07-2020 11:50AM

average_runner wrote: »

Their numbers indicated like ours did in June.

But holiday season is massive to these countries so all risks will be taken.

Balkans seeing resurgence alright.

Economies dependent on tourism running a gauntlet essentially.
Green means go but what souvenirs will they bring back.

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 12:01PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

It`s not a real pandemic?!!!!! I would ask are you for real?

I am absolutely for real and absolutely right.

So if it is a real pandemic why didn't we close the airports at any point? Or why didn't we even stop flights from the worst affected areas?

We knew at the very start it affected the elderly the worst but the hospitals were closed and the nursing homes ignored,does that make sense?

If it was a pandemic why didn't we stop thousands protesting right at the height of it?

Why didn't Sweden get overrun,why didn't Belarus? Why didn't a single 3rd world country get overrun considering their healthcare systems so much less robust.

I could keep typing all day the list goes on and on of the reasons why it is not a pandemic and its obvious and clear to anyone that wants to hear it.

Unfortunately the noisy few who are lining their pockets during this alleged pandemic are all we seem to hear.

John O.Groats · 23-07-2020 12:10PM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

I am absolutely for real and absolutely right.

So if it is a real pandemic why didn't we close the airports at any point? Or why didn't we even stop flights from the worst affected areas?

We knew at the very start it affected the elderly the worst but the hospitals were closed and the nursing homes ignored,does that make sense?

If it was a pandemic why didn't we stop thousands protesting right at the height of it?

Why didn't Sweden get overrun,why didn't Belarus? Why didn't a single 3rd world country get overrun considering their healthcare systems so much less robust.

I could keep typing all day the list goes on and on of the reasons why it is not a pandemic and its obvious and clear to anyone that wants to hear it.

Unfortunately the noisy few who are lining their pockets during this alleged pandemic are all we seem to hear.

So all the people who have died of Covid -19 didn`t really die of it at all? Is that what are you suggesting? A single 3rd world country didn`t get overrun? What evidence do you have to back that up? The noisy few who are lining their pockets? Who might they be and how do you have this notion in your head that you are absolutely right? Because that is all it is, a notion.

Hannibal36 · 23-07-2020 12:23PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

So all the people who have died of Covid -19 didn`t really die of it at all? Is that what are you suggesting? A single 3rd world country didn`t get overrun? What evidence do you have to back that up? And how do you have this notion in your head that you are absolutely right? Because that is all it is, a notion.

Why don't you find a 3rd world country overrun for me,since you are the one buying this whole farce,i already know whats going on it is you who is reaching around in the dark my friend.

is_that_so · 23-07-2020 12:24PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thats only one part of the system thats needed, with most covid cases being front line staff, and most of those still outta work, we could have a problem!

It's at the core of it and we can't do anything without it. The rest can be addressed in individual systems like care homes but the HSE will not be fixed in a few short months.

TaurenDruid · 23-07-2020 12:26PM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

People need to cop the hell on how is this a pandemic,half a million deaths all sick and elderly i might add and in the whole world.Pure insanity,do people realise more than a million people die worldwide every week,we have had half a million in the whole world in 8 months and there is already cases coming out that were attributed to Covid when it wasn't Covid that killed them,so the figures are inflated on some level.

NO. They were NOT all sick and elderly. This is killing young, healthy people too, who didn't have underlying conditions. And many of those who've recovered have debilitating secondary effects such as fatigue for months afterwards.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

John O.Groats · 23-07-2020 12:30PM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

Why don't you find a 3rd world country overrun for me,since you are the one buying this whole farce,i already know whats going on it is you who is reaching around in the dark my friend.

So you are the enlightened one are you? Enlighten us poor mushrooms who are being kept in the dark then pal. Why would the world authorities pretend there is a pandemic when according to you it`s all a "farce"?

KindOfIrish · 23-07-2020 12:41PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

So you are the enlightened one are you? Enlighten us poor mushrooms who are being kept in the dark then pal. Why would the world authorities pretend there is a pandemic when according to you it`s all a "farce"?

Unrestricted power over population. It's much more addictive than drugs.

Penfailed · 23-07-2020 12:47PM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

Because it's not a pandemic,just one in name only,an alleged pandemic but not a real one.

Ridiculous.

That's worse than claiming that I'm a shill, making money from this and that I'm an enemy of the Irish people.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings