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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Gibraltar isn't possible to get to from Ireland without going through a country not on the green list.

    Other than a side trip from the Costa del Sol no one actually goes there on holidays because there is nothing there worth seeing (not even the monkeys) and it's minuscule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,431 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Seems now it might be changed from non-essential travel to ''exercise caution''. The communication around this has been woeful

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1285703516405870592


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,735 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Ryanair will be announcing flights to Greenland by the end of the week.

    And true to their policy of landing miles from the destination, you'll touch down on the iceberg that the Titanic struck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,713 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Seems now it might be changed from non-essential travel to ''exercise caution''. The communication around this has been woeful

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1285703516405870592

    That's a big change in fact. Means a holiday / visit to one of the 15 is considered okay and above board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    What does exercise caution mean?

    Will travel insurance work then?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,431 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Will be reviewed after 2 weeks and overall advice is still stay at home. As clear as mud

    https://twitter.com/Junomaco/status/1285711496966742017


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why is the Vintners' Federation not challenging the pub shutdown in the courts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,431 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Strazdas wrote: »
    That's a big change in fact. Means a holiday / visit to one of the 15 is considered okay and above board.

    Then another reporter is saying overall message is to stay at home. So maybe government is trying to pay lip service to NPHET advice but letting people to travel to certain countries without quarantine.

    Farirly late in the summer to be booking holidays too. Not sure many with kids would get away before school is back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,713 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What does exercise caution mean?

    Will travel insurance work then?

    Effectively means a 'leisure' visit to the countries is allowed.

    I can't answer the insurance one though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Effectively means a 'leisure' visit to the countries is allowed.

    I can't answer the insurance one though.

    Well this will open the flood gates for sure once everyone wakes up tomorrow and sees this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why is the Vintners' Federation not challenging the pub shutdown in the courts?

    Public support isn't with them I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Public support isn't with them I guess.

    Has it ever?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,713 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Well this will open the flood gates for sure once everyone wakes up tomorrow and sees this.

    A lot of the big countries like Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and NL are still out of bounds though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    So to be clear we're free to travel to a couple of popular places, some very obscure places, places you can't even get a direct flight to...
    And to Northern Ireland - from where we can travel to Spain, Italy, France...without so much as a raised eyebrow

    I thought we were supposed to be toeing the line together in regards to the coronavirus???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,431 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Talk about mixed messages:

    ''The Pandemic is not over and the public health advice remains the same. The safest thing to do is not to travel.''

    https://www.thejournal.ie/green-list-publication-cabinet-5156156-Jul2020/?utm_source=twitter_short


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of the big countries like Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and NL are still out of bounds though.

    Greece and Malta will do just fine for a lot of people at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    It's funny countries like Austria and Denmark have less cases and far fewer deaths than us but are not on the green list


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,735 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I do wonder if they introduced a 'covid tax' for all airline travel would it deter people enough.

    Like I dunno, double the price of the ticket if you can't prove your journey is essential. Or increase insurance premiums come renewal time.

    Something that will hit people in the pocket tends to make people think twice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    So we can go on holidays get pissed every day in the pubs then come back here with the virus and spread it around while all the pubs are closed here, there open for a while now in the North its bonkers they are destroying our economy


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I do wonder if they introduced a 'covid tax' for all airline travel would it deter people enough.

    Like I dunno, double the price of the ticket if you can't prove your journey is essential. Or increase insurance premiums come renewal time.

    Something that will hit people in the pocket tends to make people think twice.

    Ha! They want the opposite. Bail outs for the airline industry, coz jobs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I do wonder if they introduced a 'covid tax' for all airline travel would it deter people enough.

    Like I dunno, double the price of the ticket if you can't prove your journey is essential. Or increase insurance premiums come renewal time.

    Something that will hit people in the pocket tends to make people think twice.

    We're gonna be paying for this for a long time, never mind the bailout that it is costing us more than we get
    Don't be giving them anymore ideas to tax us even more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I do wonder if they introduced a 'covid tax' for all airline travel would it deter people enough.

    Like I dunno, double the price of the ticket if you can't prove your journey is essential. Or increase insurance premiums come renewal time.

    Something that will hit people in the pocket tends to make people think twice.

    Better to first do that for non residents landing here each day, if their trip is less than 14 days refuse them entry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    fritzelly wrote: »
    We're gonna be paying for this for a long time, never mind the bailout that it is costing us more than we get
    Don't be giving them anymore ideas to tax us even more

    What's going on now makes the bailout look like a picnic on Dollymount Beach. They send the Taoiseach to the EU looking for money, he comes back with a deal where we owe them money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭NH2013


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Ha! They want the opposite. Bail outs for the airline industry, coz jobs.

    Think a bail out for Airlines is already a forgone eventuality, just a matter of how large a bailout will be required, no way any of them can sustain the operating costs until a vaccine comes and regular travel resumes with the reserves they have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Seems now it might be changed from non-essential travel to ''exercise caution''. The communication around this has been woeful

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1285703516405870592

    Few holidays to Italy it is so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Monaco via France and Gibraltar via Spain or UK. Just proves the list is a joke.

    Everyone's off to Greenland for summer 2020

    I work with a guy from Greenland, I'd guess he'll be happy about the list. Not sure how many others will be.

    Might head to Finland myself, since Ireland is on their green list, so no mandatory quarantine at either end of the journey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Polar101 wrote: »
    I work with a guy from Greenland, I'd guess he'll be happy about the list. Not sure how many others will be.

    Might head to Finland myself, since Ireland is on their green list, so no mandatory quarantine at either end of the journey.

    There's no quarantine for us anywhere else in Europe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,713 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    fritzelly wrote: »
    So to be clear we're free to travel to a couple of popular places, some very obscure places, places you can't even get a direct flight to...
    And to Northern Ireland - from where we can travel to Spain, Italy, France...without so much as a raised eyebrow

    I thought we were supposed to be toeing the line together in regards to the coronavirus???

    What would have been the alternative though? One would assume that Covid is going nowhere and that a ban on leisure trips outside Ireland would have had to remain in place for a very long time indeed.

    It's unlikely the green list will have changed much in six months time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,600 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Talk about mixed messages:

    ''The Pandemic is not over and the public health advice remains the same. The safest thing to do is not to travel.''

    https://www.thejournal.ie/green-list-publication-cabinet-5156156-Jul2020/?utm_source=twitter_short

    To be honest, I think the advice is pretty clear: don't travel.

    The green list is an attempt to appease some people and holiday operators/airlines etc. But, the bottom line is don't travel unless you really have to.

    The media have made a bigger issue about this than there actually is and the supposed confusion is being partly stoked up by them. It's a bit of controversy.

    And the likes of SF too. Louise O' Reilly was banging on at length on the TV this evening, sounding very dramatic and hysterical. The green list showed the CHAOS at the heart of government, so she says. Time to whip up the fury lads. Whatever the government did she'd be on blasting it. Interestingly enough, SF don't have many useful suggestions themselves.

    Not saying that the list isn't newsworthy or that the messaging has been 100% spot on, but the media have been losing the run of themselves a bit about it today and have given the minute details of this list a lot more coverage than is really warranted. The EU summit which is actually far, far more important, took up far less breathless airtime today.

    Sometimes, as much as I make use of them, I kinda hate the silliness of the media in Ireland. Their propensity to overly focus as a whole on one issue is pretty apparent. Back in March they were obsessed with the fate of the Paddy's day parades for a good week, even though it was plainly fcking obvious that they would get cancelled and were, ultimately, the absolute least of everyone's worries. Then it was the leaving cert, which everyone knew would get cancelled. Lately it was Barry Cowen - days dedicated to coverage of that shyte, which then just vanished instantly when the story became about the pubs not opening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Strazdas wrote: »
    What would have been the alternative though? One would assume that Covid is going nowhere and that a ban on leisure trips outside Ireland would have had to remain in place for a very long time indeed.

    It's unlikely the green list will have changed much in six months time.

    Ireland is being the most restrictive in the whole of Europe - every other country is getting on with it and doing local clampdowns where it rises up again

    Europe is moving on, Ireland is stuck in the mud - even the UK which is still in a worse situation than us hasn't ground to an halt
    ICU figures are single digits while people wait for operations, screenings etc

    It's all becoming BS at this stage

    I seriously think it is just MM trying to emanate some aura of authority over the country


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