Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Wild Field 1831 · 19-07-2020 10:58AM

I wear my mask everywhere indoors. I have a respiratory condition and after about 10 min with my mask on I feel very uncomfortable, catching my breath, faint.

I think it's reasons like that which may be at the root of some non mask wearing rather than mal intent or people being image conscience. Other stuff too. People with glasses often find they fog up.

is_that_so · 19-07-2020 11:01AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

How can the government make definitive statements on this? They have to respond to the situation on the ground, if cases are increasing they need to keep measures in place. They cannot be fully aware in advance of the exact effect of a measure, we haven't had this disease before.

Well Varadkar was able to state that Aug 10 is the minimum date for pubs. A bit more of that kind of communication would not have gone amiss a week ago.
Their decision making is based on a wait and see 3 week cycle, that's not any kind of planning and they do need to get past that. We're a few weeks off possible school opening and not even a whiff of a plan. That too it seems is now dependent on the next 3 weeks. The pubs, by the looks of things, are gone until September or Octobers and clubs probably till 2021.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 11:06AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well Varadkar was able to state that Aug 10 is the minimum date for pubs. A bit more of that kind of communication would not have gone amiss a week ago.
Their decision making is based on a wait and see 3 week cycle, that's not any kind of planning and they do need to get past that. We're a few weeks off possible school opening and not even a whiff of a plan. That too it seems is now dependent on the next 3 weeks. The pubs, by the looks of things, are gone until September or Octobers and clubs probably till 2021.

We are in an unprecedented evolving situation. Look at Isreal, did really well initially and "beat" the virus and now they are in lockdown with cases higher than ever.

Anybody making promises, saying you will be able to do this that or the other is either lying or deluded.

is_that_so · 19-07-2020 11:08AM

Boggles wrote: »

:pac:

You are way over thinking it lad.

As for how long it is planned for, we will be wearing masks until this pandemic comes to end one way or another.

I don't think you need an elected official to tell you that, it's pretty obvious.

Unless you think Leo or Michael is going to come out and 3 months tell everyone to stop washing their hands?

Absolute farcical arguments at this stage.

What, that the government doesn't have a plan, even a tentative one?

The Premier of NSW was able to articulate their plan clearly. Unpleasant but now known.

“We’re going to be wearing masks in Victoria and potentially in other parts of the country for a very long time,” Andrews said.

is_that_so · 19-07-2020 11:10AM

timsey tiger wrote: »

We are in an unprecedented evolving situation. Look at Isreal, did really well initially and "beat" the virus and now they are in lockdown with cases higher than ever.

Anybody making promises, saying you will be able to do this that or the other is either lying or deluded.

Any country claiming to beat the virus did not beat it. They opened schools too early.

Renjit · 19-07-2020 11:10AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxwGi8bTO8

:pac:

froog · 19-07-2020 11:15AM

The government are stalling the pubs as they know the second wave is coming in autumn and this will give us a fighting chance. Open the pubs now and we're pretty much back to square one in august and September with numerous clusters that are very difficult to contact trace. Yes it sucks to be a pub owner right now, but this wil save lives.

robfowler78 · 19-07-2020 11:17AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Any country claiming to beat the virus did not beat it. They opened schools too early.

Is it possible that maybe the countries that locked down just delayed the inevitable and that's why they are seeing increases now. The lockdown was originally to give the healthservices time to adapt and prepare. It wasn't the solution. Social distance, handwashing and masks will probably long term be the correct answer to this. People losing their minds over the daily numbers we were always going to open up to more cases then we closed unless we have a vacine.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 11:26AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nope, they just do things and have opinions you don't like. Remember wearing a mask also suggests that you are infected and someone could rightly wonder why you're out infecting people!

LOL, just like not wearing one suggests you have been contacted by the tracing app. but don't want to get tested because you are a bit of a b***h and can't handle a bit of discomfort.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 11:36AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Any country claiming to beat the virus did not beat it. They opened schools too early.

Yea it was those pesky kids that did it.:rolleyes:

schmoo2k · 19-07-2020 11:37AM

is_that_so wrote: »

What, that the government doesn't have a plan, even a tentative one?

The Premier of NSW was able to articulate their plan clearly. Unpleasant but now known.

“We’re going to be wearing masks in Victoria and potentially in other parts of the country for a very long time,” Andrews said.

I am pretty sure we have a fairly clear plan - when doing better than expected, they moved some dates forward. Now they don't like some numbers, so they reverted some dates back to the original ones. Can a plan be fluid? yes.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 11:43AM

is_that_so wrote: »

And this is why you can't understand them! You've established a clear immovable position on them and can't understand how others could think differently. That's why there is tension over them.

But, the position isn't immovable at all. Most reasonable people just listen to the learned people whos' life work is protecting us from disease.

When they said mask wearing may not help they didn't wear them. When more info. became available and the experts said mask wearing would help, then they donned the masks.

I'm not sure what the thought processes of the reasonable people who won't (not can't) wear masks is.

ACitizenErased · 19-07-2020 11:47AM

Are people really debating against masks?
Lads, seriously....
I’m highly asthmatic and wear a mask every day with no issue.

Strumms · 19-07-2020 11:49AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

I am pretty sure we have a fairly clear plan - when doing better than expected, they moved some dates forward. Now they don't like some numbers, so they reverted some dates back to the original ones. Can a plan be fluid? yes.

It shouldn’t have been fluid. We were doing better than expected, so the same roadmap should have been continuously followed so we could do even better again and use the value in that to our benefit. Stick with the winning formula.

No point in taking two big strides forward then three back again. As long as the tills are ringing though right...fûckwits.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 11:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Bit hypocritical really leaving brit and yanks swan in all over country spreading disease and not enforcing quarantine though

Letting the bits in, is understandable, but lask of proper testing quarantine is a just stupid.

Seeing almost everybody else in Europe has banned the Americans, I think we could have gotten away with some sort of essential travel only with test and quarantine requirements.

Our legal profession has to be the most dysfunctional aspect of our society. All we ever hear is we can't do what is needed to protect us for legal reasons.

Laws should facilitate us not hender us.

19-07-2020 11:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bit hypocritical really leaving brit and yanks swan in all over country spreading disease and not enforcing quarantine though

You can’t not let the Brits in. Brits have automatic Irish residency entitlement, as the Irish do in the UK. The USA is different, and I don’t think non resident Americans should be allowed in at all. And, in any case, from an infection perspective, the UK is not the USA

As for quarantine, there is none. There is just a ‘restriction of movement’ requirement that permits exercise and shopping. Before anything can be enforced, there needs to be a quarantine requirement laid out

Strumms · 19-07-2020 11:58AM

It’s a pity we didn’t have a Democrat say a Bill Clinton in office. At least he was an ally, a common sense guy, a reasonable guy. Trump is just a guy absolutely fascinated like none ever before him in that office with business people, money people, facilitating bank balances... not a good mix with what’s going on.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 11:59AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Are people really debating against masks?
Lads, seriously....
I’m highly asthmatic and wear a mask every day with no issue.

I don't think it is actually people with respiratory issues that are the issue. I saw a woman sitting in a doctors waiting room with a mask on and she was pulling it away from her face periodically. It seemed to be causing her some distress. I would understand if she didn't wear it, but I appreciated her effort.

However there are reasonable people who have decided to not wear masks for "reasons" I don't understand.

Strumms · 19-07-2020 12:02PM

How can a mask though, cause ‘distress’, while they are not all that comfortable when I put mine on, I never give it any second thought....

Santy2015 · 19-07-2020 12:02PM

I wasn’t really in favour at the start as I taught it was too late but have to due to work and will wear it outside of work now as I’ve got used to it. Try wearing a mask for over 8 hours a day, every day and getting on with it. I want to be able to go for my few pints in a few weeks.
Wear a mask!!

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 12:07PM

Strumms wrote: »

How can a mask though, cause ‘distress’, while they are not all that comfortable when I put mine on, I never give it any second thought....

Well, isn't that great for you. Not everybody has the same level of lung function though.

Hego Damask · 19-07-2020 12:07PM

At what stage is the cure worse then the disease tho ?
How many people will be homeless, starving, serious mental health issues, suicide rates will skyrocket...

Sweden seem to have had the right idea, overall they are on a gradual decrease, and their death rate is way way less then the likes of Spain and Italy that had very strict lockdowns.

It's time to learn to live with this and get on with our lives.
No vaccine is coming, no cure is coming, it's here and that's it.

People loving the idea of living in fear in our basements for decades - you really think this is sustainable ?

Leftwaffe · 19-07-2020 12:08PM

I wear a mask no problem but found them uncomfortable and felt like I was short of air a few times. To the point where I had to go outside to take it off for a few minutes. And I'm in my mid twenties.

Bit cynical · 19-07-2020 12:12PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Brazil deaths finally may be declining. Today was the first weekday(because of a 24 hour lag in reporting, Saturday is a 'weekday' and MOnday is not) which has not reported over 1000 deaths in about 7 weeks!

I think too early to say that. They seem to be in a flat period which is an unusual pattern for the virus and suggests that they are at the limit of their testing and reporting capacity for deaths.

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 12:14PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Sweden seem to have had the right idea, overall they are on a gradual decrease, and their death rate is way way less then the likes of Spain and Italy that had very strict lockdowns.

So if Spain and Italy hadn't bothered with lockdowns, they would have had fewer deaths then?

That's like Jackie Healy Rea congratulating Kerry for its low levels of covid, suggesting that they had done a better job than Dublin.

Igotadose · 19-07-2020 12:17PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Numerous friends of mine insisting they won't because they see is as government trying to control us.

3 of them have underlying issues and still believe that.

Beyond abject stupidity, what issues have they got that interfere with wearing masks? Every precious snowflake has an issue these days. Harden up ffs

timsey tiger · 19-07-2020 12:17PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

I think too early to say that. They seem to be in a flat period which is an unusual pattern for the virus and suggests that they are at the limit of their testing and reporting capacity for deaths.

It's a large country too, so could have a USA type situation going on where they are getting a handle on it in one region. Hopefully though things are getting under control.

Strumms · 19-07-2020 12:18PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

At what stage is the cure worse then the disease tho ?
How many people will be homeless, starving, serious mental health issues, suicide rates will skyrocket...

Sweden seem to have had the right idea, overall they are on a gradual decrease, and their death rate is way way less then the likes of Spain and Italy that had very strict lockdowns.

It's time to learn to live with this and get on with our lives.
No vaccine is coming, no cure is coming, it's here and that's it.

People loving the idea of living in fear in our basements for decades - you really think this is sustainable ?

Swedish people people have a completely different social as well as psychological tendencies to the Irish... because something is working out in Sweden, doesn’t mean it transfers well here..

Another one playing the ‘mental health card’ as a hall pass I see, that got fûcking old about 6 weeks ago. We will see where mental health is at when again this thing spikes, people getting very sick / dying en masse.

Would you like to elaborate on your point, and what qualifications you have earned to be able to definitively tell us ..”It's time to learn to live with this and get on with our lives. No vaccine is coming, no cure is coming, it's here and that's it.”

Well ?

Strumms · 19-07-2020 12:24PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well, isn't that great for you. Not everybody has the same level of lung function though.

Masks don’t prevent you from breathing properly.

If you get covid , that WILL.

Hego Damask · 19-07-2020 12:26PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

So if Spain and Italy hadn't bothered with lockdowns, they would have had fewer deaths then?

That's like Jackie Healy Rea congratulating Kerry for its low levels of covid, suggesting that they had done a better job than Dublin.

The problem with Spain and Italy - at least Spain I can speak for Spain since I live there - is society norms and how people are very touchy feely and kissy kissy with greetings.

Most of these new outbreaks are due to family gatherings and nightlife - packed bar terraces ... Swedish people were responsible - but at least businesses could go on, now we are at a situation where second lockdown is imminent in Spain, which will completely kill off the economy.

Sweden may have been short term bad, but long term we will see they will have dealt with this very well.

As for the initial deaths in Spain and Italy, they would happen anyway, it's just a matter of when, they have shown that they cannot control this virus.

We know it's longterm, Japan are cancelling the Olympics - for 2021 ... so they know it won't be gone by then.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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