Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

bb1234567 · 19-07-2020 01:57AM

Brazil deaths finally may be declining. Today was the first weekday(because of a 24 hour lag in reporting, Saturday is a 'weekday' and MOnday is not) which has not reported over 1000 deaths in about 7 weeks!

Quite shockingly though recent modeeling by the main forecasters in the US have predicted that the USA and Brazil will both reach 200,000 deaths by November despite Brazil having only 65% of the population of the US. I would imagine that by November India will have a larger number of deaths than both countries though.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/brazil-nears-million-coronavirus-cases-75000-dead-200716195533995.html

caveat emptor · 19-07-2020 02:00AM

fritzelly wrote: »

I dunno - maybe something to do with the actual number of people

Jaysus

11.2 million people is a BIGGER number of REAL people than 3.9 million people
You know its like saying this cow is bigger than this cow because it is actually bigger

He should stick to making up statistics for the UK

And the YT video is tiring - more an insult in every post saying everyone you reply to is stupid.

If you can't see that they are equivalent then I can't help you.
I posted the video because it's funny that he has to explain it.

I'm not the one trying to say it's a conspiracy. It is comparable you just can't see it.

helpful · 19-07-2020 02:00AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

What are people's views on masks in supermarkets - supermarkets don't appear to have been a source of any significant transmission, but public opinion has shifted to wearing masks in all shops regardless. Yes, masks might protect people from spreading it from a cough/sneeze etc. but in terms of its importance in supermarkets, what are people's views of the impact of wearing masks on overall cases specifically relating to supermarkets where people generally have scope to distance?

The horse has bolted comes to mind. People do seem to still be very aware of the risk in supermarkets. Everyone I’ve been to has been enforcing proper social distancing measures and less people seem to just be there to browse. I think it’s a bit late to force people to wear masks. I’ve already heard of people saying they’ll just keep a mask with them and reuse it whether it is reusable or not.
I also think that this will stop people going to supermarkets or shops if it is non essential. For example if they just wanted a newspaper. I presume this is the intention but I can’t see it being good for retailers.
Just strikes me as odd to make it mandatory after 4 months of very few people wearing them and supermarkets have been open the whole time.
I don’t agree with floor staff having to wear them all day either.

19-07-2020 02:05AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

If you can't see that they are equivalent then I can't help you.
I posted the video because it's funny that he has to explain it.

I'm not the one trying to say it's a conspiracy. It is comparable you just can't see it.

Wait.. Are you arguing that total stay is the important metric and not total visitors?

fritzelly · 19-07-2020 02:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wait.. Are you arguing that total stay is the important metric and not total visitors?

Yes he is - our resident twitternati - looking for tweets where no one else dares to look

19-07-2020 02:11AM

It doesn't make any sense.

caveat emptor · 19-07-2020 02:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wait.. Are you arguing that total stay is the important metric and not total visitors?

No. Total Visitor days (or nights) is an important metric when comparing countries.

i.e the number of visitors X the length of stay.

So New Zealand with less people visiting but longer trips
is comparable to Ireland with more people and shorter trips.

Which one is worse for the environment but good for airlines?

19-07-2020 02:15AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No. Total Visitor days (or nights) is an important metric when comparing countries.

i.e the number of visitors X the length of stay.

So New Zealand with less people visiting but longer trips
is comparable to Ireland with more people and shorter trips.

Which one is worse for the environment but good for airlines?

What has that got to do with Covid?

More visitors is more risk. It isn't comparable. Staying three weeks in a country doesn't make it more likely you arrived into the country with the virus.

fritzelly · 19-07-2020 02:15AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No. Total Visitor days (or nights) is an important metric when comparing countries.

i.e the number of visitors X the length of stay.

So New Zealand with less people visiting but longer trips
is comparable to Ireland with more people and shorter trips.

Which one is worse for the environment but good for airlines?

What the hell has airlines profits got to do with the price of bread

Are you actually now trying to come up with excuses for your argument -scraping the barrel you are

caveat emptor · 19-07-2020 02:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What has that got to do with Covid?

More visitors is more risk. It isn't comparable. Staying three weeks in a country doesn't make it more likely you arrived into the country with the virus.

Not talking about that FFS.

New Zealand effectively banned non citizens and enforced quarantine.
Ireland didn't and advertised tourism in US of all places.

The argument was Ireland's tourism is very value.
Well on a total visitor day basis it is in fact comparable in scale.

i.e they did it why can't we.

People are disingenuously arguing about it because they work in the sector.

19-07-2020 02:25AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Not talking about that FFS.

New Zealand effectively banned non citizens and enforced quarantine.
Ireland didn't and advertised tourism in US of all places.

The argument was Ireland's tourism is very value.
Well on a total visitor day basis it is in fact comparable in scale.

i.e they did it why can't we.

People are disingenuously arguing about it because they work in the sector.

Ok, well that I agree with. I just woke up and can't drink coffee for a couple of days so I'm slow.

In my opinion, Ireland could dramatically cut inward travel while leaving NI border open. Most people aren't going to look at a lack of flights to Dublin and go through Belfast instead.

caveat emptor · 19-07-2020 02:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok, well that I agree with. I just woke up and can't drink coffee for a couple of days so I'm slow.

In my opinion, Ireland could dramatically cut inward travel while leaving NI border open. Most people aren't going to look at a lack of flights to Dublin and go through Belfast instead.

No worries. Independent cobra group of scientists and experts are calling for UK and Ireland approach which would mean Northern Ireland border not needed to enforced and CTA in place.

Really feels like China is trolling the world. How long til we cop on what we have to do to beat this thing.

Due to the continued spread of Covid-19, the Chinese Government announced on March 26 that entry by foreign nationals into the People’s Republic of China is now suspended. There is as of yet no end-date to this new measure. This means that Irish citizens will not be able to enter China from abroad.

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1284655144643096576?s=20

19-07-2020 03:07AM

Even simple measures like what Cambodia is doing would help. You have to have health insurance that covers Covid up to $50k and you have to deposit $3k when you enter. Plus $165 for a test at arrival and overnight quarantine while waiting for results.

That falls nicely between no barriers and two weeks in a facility. Every country could do it.

Important business travel and family stuff could still happen but it would stop families of four gallivanting around the country on their holidays. It would also work for the UK as proof you've done these things could be required at check in.

Polar101 · 19-07-2020 03:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Even simple measures like what Cambodia is doing would help. You have to have health insurance that covers Covid up to $50k and you have to deposit $3k when you enter. Plus $165 for a test at arrival and overnight quarantine while waiting for results.

Why would a tourist go to Cambodia then? That's pretty much saying "don't come here", and then you could just go somewhere else. Unless I'm missing something obvious here (which is always a real chance).

So it sounds like a border closure, but you can pay to enter. I don't think that would work in Europe.

19-07-2020 03:41AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Why would a tourist go to Cambodia then? That's pretty much saying "don't come here", and then you could just go somewhere else. Unless I'm missing something obvious here (which is always a real chance).

So it sounds like a border closure, but you can pay to enter. I don't think that would work in Europe.

They're basically cutting off the majority of tourists in a way that allows foreigners who live there to get back and it allows business to take place. They want to allow the Chinese in, who are investing unbelievable money there and have the virus mostly under control, while not allowing tourists.

I think it's a decent compromise and it's politically safe. You're not saying no to countries. You're saying yes but big deposits and a night's quarantine needed.

(And I would still go there. Paying the deposit isn't a big deal and you could visit Angkor when it's deserted. It would be amazing.)

rubadub · 19-07-2020 04:33AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Pubs can’t open. Restaurants can. They needed to define a restaurant, so they went with a place that serves food and maybe also alcohol. But you need a definition of food then as well. How they got to a €9 meal being the definition I don’t know, but it needed to be something.

They did not need to define a restaurant, it was already in law as was the price. I have asked those who think the meal rule is ridiculous what law they would implement to differentiate between pubs and restaurants, no replies so far, not surprising -I think the penny finally dropped.

Some are genuinely too stupid to get it, fair enough, but many are just arseholes feigning ignorance.

The "substantial meal" laws date back to the 50s and possibly back to 1904, nothing new. The 9euro figure is from 2003, so with inflation if it was updated it would be a bit more today.

If you read the laws the price was not always the only definition, you could not simply sell a pack of peanuts for the set price at the time, at least it was not intended to be, but hard to put strict definitions on it.

e.g.

9.—(1) For the purposes of the Licensing Acts and the Registration of Clubs Acts a meal served in any premises after the commencement of this Act shall not be deemed to be a substantial meal unless—

(a) the meal is such as might be expected to be served as a main midday or main evening meal or as a main course at either such meal, and

These days they would really need a calorific value or something similar.

This one had you having to consume the drink with the meal.

(c) on Christmas Day, between the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock in the afternoon or the hours of seven o'clock and ten o'clock in the evening,

if, in each case, the intoxicating liquor is—

(I) ordered by that person at the same time as a substantial meal is ordered by him,

(II) consumed at the same time as and with the meal,

(III) supplied and consumed in the portion of the premises usually set apart for the supply of meals, and

(IV) paid for at the same time as the meal is paid for.”

Neamhshuntasach · 19-07-2020 06:32AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It is comparable and you can't do maths. I'll help you out.
Ok loads of people come here from UK for weekend.

So say 20 people come here for weekend. (3 days)

That's 20 X 3 = 60 visitor days.

In New Zealand. 3 people go there for 20 days.

That's 3 X 20 = 60 visitor days.

i.e exactly the same.

New Zealand had 74 million visitor days.
Ireland 78 million visitor days.
How the fvck are they not comparable?

The visitor days is nonsense. New Zealand tourism is full of back packers staying in hostels trying to work out how they can live on 30 euro a day. Been there enough to see a vast difference in the tourists you see here in Ireland. I'd bet the average person staying 3 weeks in New Zealand spends less than someone staying a week here.

prunudo · 19-07-2020 06:50AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

What are people's views on masks in supermarkets - supermarkets don't appear to have been a source of any significant transmission, but public opinion has shifted to wearing masks in all shops regardless. Yes, masks might protect people from spreading it from a cough/sneeze etc. but in terms of its importance in supermarkets, what are people's views of the impact of wearing masks on overall cases specifically relating to supermarkets where people generally have scope to distance?

Its a strange one, especially now at this stage of the pandemic when numbers are where there are. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of clusters from supermarkets and from talking to my local dunnes staff there have been no cases of covid even though I know there has been cases in the community albeit not recently.
Both this and the delayed pub opening caught me off guard so I'm not quite sure what they're basing their decision on as in my mind the virus is being kept under control bar a few tracable parties and health settings.
At the end of the day if it keeps numbers low then it will be a good thing but as another poster mentioned I think it will keep people out shops (probably other shops rather than supermarkets) for anything bar the essential supplies, but maybe that was the intention.

opinionated3 · 19-07-2020 06:59AM

I'm actually ok with wearing the mask, doesn't bother me really..... It's the queues that piss me off. Drove to Limerick yesterday to one particular shopping area, saw the queue and simply turned the car around and drove home. Just can't get used to that aspect of the new normal at all. If I'm wearing a mask, why are we waiting to get into a shop with a handful of customers in there? It's either one rule or the other imo

Duke of Url · 19-07-2020 07:14AM

If the Government are still doing contact tracing, I think they should provide a high level backstory behind each case to the public. With current low numbers this would be possible. Also back stories to deaths.

Santy2015 · 19-07-2020 08:14AM

Only 9 people in hospital according to last nights update. 6 in the Mater!! CUH and The Mercy clear and empty now.
8 people in ICU 3 on ventilators down 1
No deaths again in ICU in the last 24 hours.,
1 thing to note is the increase in suspected cases from 4 to 8 but that is precautionary As is the 111 suspected cases.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-18-july-20201.pdf

Non solum non ambulabit · 19-07-2020 08:19AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Redundant point.
We are advised against non essential travel.
Weekend breaks and multiple holidays to USA and Europe are non essential.

Therefore by your logic travel into a country is redundant why start this discussion and why make that exact point about NZ you are now arguing against?

Mwengwe · 19-07-2020 08:45AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

What are people's views on masks in supermarkets - supermarkets don't appear to have been a source of any significant transmission, but public opinion has shifted to wearing masks in all shops regardless. Yes, masks might protect people from spreading it from a cough/sneeze etc. but in terms of its importance in supermarkets, what are people's views of the impact of wearing masks on overall cases specifically relating to supermarkets where people generally have scope to distance?

Just do it. It's easier to do it than to sit around analysing whether you should do it.

is_that_so · 19-07-2020 08:56AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

What are people's views on masks in supermarkets - supermarkets don't appear to have been a source of any significant transmission, but public opinion has shifted to wearing masks in all shops regardless. Yes, masks might protect people from spreading it from a cough/sneeze etc. but in terms of its importance in supermarkets, what are people's views of the impact of wearing masks on overall cases specifically relating to supermarkets where people generally have scope to distance?

In terms of cases probably very little. You can distance quite effectively in some of the very large supermarkets and even smaller ones to an extent. The face covering edict is really more for shopping centres and other shops, where there may be much higher volumes of people. As for public opinion, I think it's shifted to completely fed up and that comes out various ways, random anger both at other people and restrictions, more fear and a lot more intolerance.

Duke of Url · 19-07-2020 09:10AM

I still don’t understand why people have an issue with wearing masks in indoor public spaces.

I understand when you are in a restaurant or pub not wearing one but in all other places?

KathleenGrant · 19-07-2020 09:12AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I still don’t understand why people have an issue with wearing masks in indoor public spaces.

I understand when you are in a restaurant or pub not wearing one but in all other places?

Numerous friends of mine insisting they won't because they see is as government trying to control us.

3 of them have underlying issues and still believe that.

19-07-2020 09:15AM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Numerous friends of mine insisting they won't because they see is as government trying to control us.

3 of them have underlying issues and still believe that.

Do they wear clothes? Seat belts? Pay taxes?

I'll never get the control thing. They just don't want to look weird and cling to whatever excuse they can.

Duke of Url · 19-07-2020 09:15AM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Numerous friends of mine insisting they won't because they see is as government trying to control us.

3 of them have underlying issues and still believe that.

I don’t get it. How are the Government controlling us with mask wearing?

helpful · 19-07-2020 09:21AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I still don’t understand why people have an issue with wearing masks in indoor public spaces.

I understand when you are in a restaurant or pub not wearing one but in all other places?

It’s just a huge change for people I suppose. It is so far from our culture that there will always be resistance. That coupled with the anger after seeing the tourists flying in from America and government not really addressing it or just brushing it off as small numbers and once again blaming us for this “surge”.
Some people also probably want to have some control over how they handle this themselves after a lot of those freedoms were temporarily taken away at the start of this.
I wonder how long masks will be required though?

stephenjmcd · 19-07-2020 09:22AM

https://twitter.com/michaellondra/status/1284594786062733315?s=19

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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