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Fire at Nantes Cathedral

  • 18-07-2020 8:48am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Nantes Cathedral, built in 1400s, reportedly now having major fire.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Mod

    Moving posts to a new thread & to Current Affairs


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    that's a shame!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Oh sorry, did not know if serious enough to warrant own thread. It looks like smoke now not flames so hopefully not as much damage as Notre Dame


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Still "out of control" five minutes ago


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Follows Notre Dame from last year. What exactly is so flammable in cathedrals in France recently. Apart from a few wooden benches it's mostly just a load of stone?


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2u2me wrote: »
    Follows Notre Dame from last year. What exactly is so flammable in cathedrals in France recently. Apart from a few wooden benches it's mostly just a load of stone?

    The roof timbers,being several hundred years old maybe??


  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Eduard Khil


    Saint Pierre and Saint Paul cathedral very sad same place has had a roof fire in 1972 took over three years to repair beautiful building I'd love to do a tour of these buildings when the tourism industry is open again. Hopefully not too much damage is done this time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Saint Pierre and Saint Paul cathedral very sad same place has had a roof fire in 1972 took over three years to repair beautiful building I'd love to do a tour of these buildings when the tourism industry is open again. Hopefully not too much damage is done this time

    Yes. I am not a Catholic and have not been to a Mass in over 3 decades but I always visit Cathedrals when abroad. Incredible atmospheres. Last year I visited a good few huge Orthodox cathedrals in Eastern Europe. Splendid places. It is horrible to see destructive blazes inside these grand buildings that have had such a cultural force in so many lives for so long. I believe Nantes Cathedral was badly affected by Allied bombing in 1944.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0718/1154072-nantes-cathedral-fire/

    Apparently contained now.
    Hope not too much damage was done.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    The roof timbers,being several hundred years old maybe??

    That doesn't explain the fires happening within a couple of years of each other though

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    biko wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0718/1154072-nantes-cathedral-fire/

    Apparently contained now.
    Hope not too much damage was done.

    From Euro News...

    The "violent blaze" erupted "by the organ located behind the rose window", Ferlay explained.

    "The roof has not been affected", he went on, adding: "the scenario is not comparable to Notre Dame".

    This will be a relief for most French people still reeling from the devastating blaze 15 months earlier at Notre Dame cathedral in central Paris.

    Contrary to the 850-year-old monument in the capital, which still had timber roof beams, the Cathedral of St. Peter and St Paul of Nantes had been renovated with concrete roof beams following a large fire in 1972 which had reduced the roof to ashes.

    The renovation was only completed in 2013.

    Firefighters are expected to remain on site for the rest of the day and have begun to assess the damage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    The roof timbers,being several hundred years old maybe??

    Just read that this cathedral had wooden roof beams replaced with concrete after 1972 fire. Seems to have broken out near rose window. I love the old gothic rose windows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    That's sad, hopefully there's not too much damage


  • Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    That doesn't explain the fires happening within a couple of years of each other though

    On average, 3 catholic churches are vandalized in France per day. Be it beheaded statues, paint thrown on the floor, fires,...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vandalism-at-hundreds-of-french-churches-n509gwb0d


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    On average, 3 catholic churches are vandalized in France per day. Be it beheaded statues, paint thrown on the floor, fires,...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vandalism-at-hundreds-of-french-churches-n509gwb0d

    France has an awful lot of problems in this area that the French media are afraid to discuss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The "violent blaze" erupted "by the organ located behind the rose window", Ferlay explained.

    "The roof has not been affected", he went on, adding: "the scenario is not comparable to Notre Dame".


    https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/18/large-fire-at-nantes-cathedral-in-france


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Yes. I am not a Catholic and have not been to a Mass in over 3 decades but I always visit Cathedrals when abroad. Incredible atmospheres. Last year I visited a good few huge Orthodox cathedrals in Eastern Europe. Splendid places. It is horrible to see destructive blazes inside these grand buildings that have had such a cultural force in so many lives for so long. I believe Nantes Cathedral was badly affected by Allied bombing in 1944.

    I do the same myself, not religious at all but the beauty in Catholic/Orthodox churches is undeniable.
    One of the most stunning I saw was in Bratislava. Dark oak and an incredible amount of Goldleaf. Bologna Italy as well, main square near the two towers. Beautiful.
    Christianity has given us some horrific practices but also the direct opposite some stunning and jaw dropping beauty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Saw over on Twitter someone said it might have been an abuse victim who set the fire off but it was just a random poster who said it not don't know if its true or not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Saw over on Twitter someone said it might have been an abuse victim who set the fire off but it was just a random poster who said it not don't know if its true or not.

    ah the internets says lots of things


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I do the same myself, not religious at all but the beauty in Catholic/Orthodox churches is undeniable.
    One of the most stunning I saw was in Bratislava. Dark oak and an incredible amount of Goldleaf. Bologna Italy as well, mean square near the two towers. Beautiful.
    Christianity has given us some horrific practices but also the direct opposite some stunning and jaw dropping beauty.


    yeah likewise here, not religious at all but always seek out cathedrals when abroad. Gaudis Sagrada Familia and the Duomo in Milan being two particular highlights, both are stunning buildings. St.Pauls cathedral in London is another great one. Heard theres a good one in Salisbury too with a very tall spire ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    splinter65 wrote: »
    France has an awful lot of problems in this area that the French media are afraid to discuss.
    Opposition politicians have said that the country’s Christian heritage is being threatened by petty criminals encouraged by militant secularism. Critics say the issue is being ignored in a society over which Catholicism has lost the hold it had for centuries.
    Just not the ones you're thinking of.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    yeah likewise here, not religious at all but always seek out cathedrals when abroad. Gaudis Sagrada Familia and the Duomo in Milan being two particular highlights, both are stunning buildings. St.Pauls cathedral in London is another great one. Heard theres a good one in Salisbury too with a very tall spire ;)

    I've twice been in Barca twice mad that I never got to the GSF. Will do someday. Only took four trips to Rome to see the Pantheon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I've twice in Barca twice mad that I never got to the GSF. Will do someday. Only took four trips to Rome to see the Pantheon.

    well worth it, amazing building


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    yeah likewise here, not religious at all but always seek out cathedrals when abroad. Gaudis Sagrada Familia and the Duomo in Milan being two particular highlights, both are stunning buildings. St.Pauls cathedral in London is another great one. Heard theres a good one in Salisbury too with a very tall spire ;)

    123 metres high. A fact known to every Russian schoolchild


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    x3 seperate ignition points, would have burnt to the ground without 100 firefighters arriving promply.
    This like so many similar incidents on both Christian and Jewish places of worship in France is another 'confirmed act of arson'.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭stinkypinky


    Multiculturalism they said, it'll be grand they said.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Multiculturalism they said, it'll be grand they said.


    Free market, trickle down and rising tides, they said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I've twice been in Barca twice mad that I never got to the GSF. Will do someday. Only took four trips to Rome to see the Pantheon.


    Yeah the Sagrada Familia is an epic building as is much of Gaudis architecture all over Barcelona. When I was last there they were saying that construction on it is due to be complete in 2025. Which Im guessing makes it the longest ever construction project- they first started it in 1882 :eek:



    If you're back would highly recommend a tour of Gaudis house on Las Ramblas. Walking around it is like being in some sort of fairytale, he had to have been on acid. His mushroom shaped fireplace and seating area is bizarre but at the same time genius



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Yeah the Sagrada Familia is an epic building as is much of Gaudis architecture all over Barcelona. When I was last there they were saying that construction on it is due to be complete in 2025. Which Im guessing makes it the longest ever construction project- they first started it in 1882 :eek:



    If you're back would highly recommend a tour of Gaudis house on Las Ramblas. Walking around it is like being in some sort of fairytale, he had to have been on acid. His mushroom shaped fireplace and seating area is bizarre but at the same time genius



    0d72574803bacdb94756496cd177fc1c.jpg

    Thanks a million for the recommendation, if you ever get to Prague checkout the dancing house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    :mad:
    2u2me wrote: »
    Follows Notre Dame from last year. What exactly is so flammable in cathedrals in France recently. Apart from a few wooden benches it's mostly just a load of stone?

    Wooden benches :)

    Well apart from dozens of wooden pews, there's loads of flammable materials in any Church or Cathedral ....thankfully the roof didn't catch fire this time.

    Arson apparently


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Arsonists usually bring their own accelerant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Thanks a million for the recommendation, if you ever get to Prague checkout the dancing house.
    ah yeah thats by Frank Gehry who is literally my favourite living architect. He has apartment buildings in Dusseldorf in a similar style that look like they are going to fall over. Went to see them a few years back when we went to Germany for a Borrusia Dortmund game just up the road from Dusseldorf. Theyre a real mind bend, he plays tricks on your eyes by the way he places windows at various protruding angles.



    5a984fe9059e33a90b9c2a0ddbefff57efc2e922.jpg


    My favourite by Gehry though is his Las Vegas Hospital for Brain Health. Its just so ridiculously off the wall. They do tours of it if you contact the hospital in advance, its been on my bucket list for a few years now.



    This is the inside
    frank-gerhy-building-2.jpg
    And ouside, ironic that its a brain clinic
    LOU-RUVO.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    ah yeah thats by Frank Gehry who is literally my favourite living architect. He has apartment buildings in Dusseldorf in a similar style that look like they are going to fall over. Went to see them a few years back when we went to Germany for a Borrusia Dortmund game just up the road from Dusseldorf. Theyre a real mind bend, he plays tricks on your eyes by the way he places windows at various protruding angles

    5a984fe9059e33a90b9c2a0ddbefff57efc2e922.jpg


    My favourite by Gehry though is his Las Vegas Hospital for Brain Health. Its just so ridiculously off the wall. They do tours of it if you contact the hospital in advance, its been on my bucket list for a few years now.



    This is the inside
    frank-gerhy-building-2.jpg
    And ouside, ironic that its a brain clinic
    LOU-RUVO.jpg

    Surreal stuff, thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    Multiculturalism they said, it'll be grand they said.
    Never ones to let a good tragedy go to waste, of course. Can't actually wait until the facts come out, oh no, not when you've got immigrants to hate!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Surreal stuff, thanks
    Yep....could you imagine the builders working on it...I'd say there was a collective "wha dafuq" :D

    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

    http://tinyurl.com/2ksb4ejk


    https://www.btselem.org/



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Yep....could you imagine the builders working on it...I'd say there was a collective "wha dafuq" :D

    I'd say as Muh has suggested about another architect, they probably scratched their heads and said "what the fuq is he on".
    Incredible structures though, says as much about the talents of the builders that they could translate a drawing into such a building. Mind bending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Multiculturalism they said, it'll be grand they said.

    Thankfully the fire services were quick on scene, and special thanks to the boards.ie investigators who caught the culprit already.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I'd say as Muh has suggested about another architect, they probably scratched their heads and said "what the fuq is he on".
    Incredible structures though, says as much about the talents of the builders that they could translate a drawing into such a building. Mind bending.

    yeah Gehrys work is so just far out there, he did the Guggenheim muesum in Bilbao as well. Was reading that Bilbao was a sleepy backwater in terms of tourism till that building went up and then the when it was finished it featured on the front pages of magazines and newspapers worldwide. That building literally put Bilbao on the map and suddenly thousands of tourists were flocking there to see it. The local council reckon its paid for itself a few times over with the increased tourism and awareness of the city. Its now automatic that when you think of Bilbao you think of the Guggenheim muesum.

    I've always wished that Dublin city council would do something similar and get a world class architect in to create a statement building for the city. Something that people would actually get on a plane to come here and see. Sadly the standards of architecture DCC permit are pretty low so it wont be happening anytime soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    yeah Gehrys work is so just far out there, he did the Guggenheim muesum in Bilbao as well. Was reading that Bilbao was a sleepy backwater in terms of tourism till that building went up and then the when it was finished it featured on the front pages of magazines and newspapers worldwide. That building literally put Bilbao on the map and suddenly thousands of tourists were flocking there to see it. The local council reckon its paid for itself a few times over with the increased tourism and awareness of the city. Its now automatic that when you think of Bilbao you think of the Guggenheim muesum.

    I've always wished that Dublin city council would do something similar and get a world class architect in to create a statement building for the city. Something that people would actually get on a plane to come here and see. Sadly the standards of architecture DCC permit are pretty low so it wont be happening anytime soon.

    Dublin is pretty dismal architecture wise, we pulled down some incredible Georgian buildings. I can't think of one decent structure in Dublin built in the last 50 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Leo Varadkar's ego?

    Built on sand, transient.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Leo Varadkar's ego?
    Yawn

    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

    http://tinyurl.com/2ksb4ejk


    https://www.btselem.org/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    I wonder what could be causing French churches to spontaneously combust? Strange things seem to be happening all across France but its not a coincidence that Churches in France are attacked, damaged and set on fire all the time. The churches and cathedrals in predominantly Christian countries like Ireland and Poland aren’t burning for some reason. What could be causing these fires in France ? There must be something an electrician did wrong maybe because these fires and attacks on Christian churches does not seem to affect mosques , synagogues or other places of worship but its specific disastrous for Christian churches. After the destruction of Saint-Sulpice and Notre-Dame, will Macron's government dare to present the Nantes Cathedral's fire as "just another accident"? I wouldn't put it past the bellend. I also wonder how long the media in France and globally, will continue to ignore these attacks as they do with the discrimination, intolerance and violence against Christians in Cyprus, Egypt, and Nigeria etc.


    26 Churches have been attacked/burned in 2019 alone in France nevermind over the past decade . This is no coincidence. Sh*te smeared on the walls in Notre-Dame-des-Enfants church in Nîmes. Stained glass windows smashed and the organ at Saint-Denis Basilica just outside Paris was vandalized and a fire in Saint-Sulpice church in Paris. There is a pattern.


    See pictures of thw Nantes cathedral damage here


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    Oh God, here come the conspiracy theories already... Do we really have to suffer through another round of entertaining the idea that there's some grand conspiracy to suppress the truth of the Notre-Dame fire? Well considering certain people get very angry when you point out that the authorities are more worth believing than some conspiracy theorist, I'm sure we will.

    That's the worst thing about conspiracy theories - by their nature, the true believers will never accept evidence to the contrary. They'll claim it's been manufactured by the conspirators and you're either one of them or a witless dupe in their scehemes.
    Nantes has, alas, become a city where the nihilists, anarchists, Antifa and other scum of the same flour swarm. It is in these circles that the police investigation will no doubt be directed, which, we hope, will lay hands on the evildoers who committed this unspeakable act.
    Yep, that sounds like an unbiased source to me! Though I'm sure it plays quite nicely into the usual conspiracy theorists' ideas. Just not the ones who seem intent on twisting this into a stick to beat the devious forrins with. Not to worry, they'll find some way to blame them, light on facts and evidence as they always are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Oh God, here come the conspiracy theories already... Do we really have to suffer through another round of entertaining the idea that there's some grand conspiracy to suppress the truth of the Notre-Dame fire? Well considering certain people get very angry when you point out that the authorities are more worth believing than some conspiracy theorist, I'm sure we will.

    That's the worst thing about conspiracy theories - by their nature, the true believers will never accept evidence to the contrary. They'll claim it's been manufactured by the conspirators and you're either one of them or a witless dupe in their scehemes.


    Yep, that sounds like an unbiased source to me! Though I'm sure it plays quite nicely into the usual conspiracy theorists' ideas. Just not the ones who seem intent on twisting this into a stick to beat the devious forrins with. Not to worry, they'll find some way to blame them, light on facts and evidence as they always are.

    Where on earth are you finding your quotes? Seems like you are the one linking and quoting what you call biased conspiracy quotes and then lamenting them. :confused:
    I believe so far that the evidence points to arson. And that an investigation will have to take place. I have heard nothing about crazy arson-loving nihilists running around Nantes, except from you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Where on earth are you finding your quotes?
    From the article linked above my post. Just used Google to translate it, which seemed to do a decent job.
    Nantes est, hélas, devenue une ville ou les nihilistes, anarchistes, Antifa et autres racailles de la même farine pullulent. C’est dans ces milieux que s’orientera sans doute l’enquête policière qui, espérons-le, mettra la main sur les malfaisants qui ont commis cet acte inqualifiable.
    Is the original French.
    I believe so far that the evidence points to arson. And that an investigation will have to take place. I have heard nothing about crazy arson-loving nihilists running around Nantes, except from you.
    Except from the article 1800_Ladladlad linked. Perhaps if you'd looked at it yourself you wouldn't have had to project your own wild ideas onto me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Oh God, here come the conspiracy theories already... Do we really have to suffer through another round of entertaining the idea that there's some grand conspiracy to suppress the truth of the Notre-Dame fire? Well considering certain people get very angry when you point out that the authorities are more worth believing than some conspiracy theorist, I'm sure we will.

    That's the worst thing about conspiracy theories - by their nature, the true believers will never accept evidence to the contrary. They'll claim it's been manufactured by the conspirators and you're either one of them or a witless dupe in their scehemes.


    Yep, that sounds like an unbiased source to me! Though I'm sure it plays quite nicely into the usual conspiracy theorists' ideas. Just not the ones who seem intent on twisting this into a stick to beat the devious forrins with. Not to worry, they'll find some way to blame them, light on facts and evidence as they always are.

    "No no no don't look at that, look over here at me"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    From the article linked above my post. Just used Google to translate it, which seemed to do a decent job.


    Is the original French.


    Except from the article 1800_Ladladlad linked. Perhaps if you'd looked at it yourself you wouldn't have had to project your own wild ideas onto me.

    Oh right, thanks. I just looked quickly at the pictures. I did not read it.

    I suppose on the whole whoever did this will have to be found, whoever they are. And the situation with Church arson or defacement will have to be looked at seriously in a broader depoliticised context whereby whatever is the truth comes out.


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