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  • #5282
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    And you problem with free speech is?

    I just wanted to call attention to dodgy source of the US propaganda cartoons (anti wearing of masks, government as abattoir) that I noticed you posted when I reading the thread. The freedom, or right to use ones "speech" to spread fear, hate and lies is I think very much a US concept. I don't think it has caught on in this country really.


  • #5283
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: I don't care enough
    fly_agaric wrote: »
    I just wanted to call attention to dodgy source of the US propaganda cartoons (anti wearing of masks, government as abattoir) that I noticed when reading the thread. The freedom, or right to use ones "speech" to spread fear, hate and lies is I think very much a US concept. I don't think it has caught on in this country really.

    Yes the "people should be free to argue as proponents of ethnic cleansing and genocide" type lark, free speech absolutist bs.


  • #5284
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • #5285
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: I don't care enough
    Deleted User wrote: »
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    Wait - is this reverse psychology


  • #5286
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    2u2me wrote: »
    Eric Weinstein put it beautifully on the Joe Rogan podcast, they should have been open from the start, put their hands up and admitted they had a shortage. Instead they continue to lie and say we don't need them. Utterly despicable.

    Well this was 3 months ago, but at least they've finally come out and admitted this.



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  • #5287
    s_carnage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭s_carnage


    Overheal wrote: »
    Cash is notoriously covered in germs; studies suggest that paper bills can contain bacteria and viruses, plus lead to the spread of disease. The lifespan of various bills ranges four to 15 years, according to the Federal Reserve, meaning your bills have a lot of time to accumulate germs.

    And in China, where there are more than 80,500 cases of COVID-19, banks began disinfecting cash with ultraviolet or heat treatments in February to prevent the further spread of the virus.



    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-handling-cash-amid-coronavirus-spread-who.html

    Kind of getting away from the mask topic but cash not as bad as reported. This was a circular distributed to retailers:


    Please find the most up to date information from the Retail Bank Consulting Group below:

    The WHO did not say cash was transmitting Covid-19
    The World Health Organization (WHO) released a statement to state “We did not say that cash was
    transmitting Covid-19. We were misrepresented”. After a UK newspaper falsely reported comments.
    The risk of touching cash is not greater than touching a door handle

    The European Central Bank stated as with normal seasonal influenza and as on any other surface (for
    example, door handles), respiratory droplets of a person infected with a virus deposited on a banknote could survive for a limited period recently that “virus transmission through banknotes has no particular significance”. The Bank of England stated, “…the risk posed by handling a polymer note is no greater than touching any other common surface, such as handrails, doorknobs or credit cards”. Cash is still strong in a crisis

    ATMIA reported that cash is still strong in this crisis and that ATMs are providing an important
    function for many people. The ATM association commented that after a crisis, there is a rebound for
    cash and, of course, it is always reliable.

    Cards have twice the number of germs compared to cash. A recent study by lendedu.com tested the number of germs on cards, bank notes and other commonly
    touched items. The study identified cards had the highest number of germs. Cash come out far lower
    and on average held almost half the number of germs compared to credit cards and debit cards.


  • #5288
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    No: other
    Overheal wrote: »
    Lucky I guess

    United Food and Commercial Workers International (UFCW) said at least 82 grocery store workers have died from COVID-19 and 11,507 have been infected or exposed to the virus in the first 100 days of the outbreak.

    https://www.supermarketnews.com/issues-trends/ufcw-over-11500-grocery-workers-affected-first-100-days-pandemic

    America has about 2,500,000 grocery store workers, that looks to me like you are less likely to have caught covid if you work in a grocery store than the average American?


  • #5289
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    Widdensushi wrote: »
    America has about 2,500,000 grocery store workers, that looks to me like you are less likely to have caught covid if you work in a grocery store than the average American?

    Are they using the same precautions over there that we have (screens in front of staff, restricting people into shops etc. etc.)


  • #5290
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    GazzaL wrote: »
    Personal responsibility are dirty words to some of the pro-lockdown pro-mask eejits on here.

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  • #5291
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,072 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tork wrote: »
    He has got to be trolling. Nobody could be that dense, surely?

    A study showed those against masks actually have lower IQ's. So stupidy does relate to refusal to wear masks.


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  • #5292
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Sorrento Steve wrote: »
    I don't recall being asked in a referendum about mandatory muzzles in lieu of a prison sentence. There has been no debate, there is a shocking lack of scientific evidence supporting the wearing of masks against Covid. This is hit and hope stuff.

    Voluntary masks are one thing but to have our Gardai acting in Gestapo-esque fashion to enforce the wearing of masks ( when they don't even wear them!) and imprison non complies is terrifying and sinister in the extreme


    And when they bring you home and there are 11 people from 5 homes in there, off to prison you go again!!


  • #5293
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes: other
    khalessi wrote: »
    I'm guessing aliens or the illuminati or New World Order
    Indeed. The same propellor heads that worry about facial recognition used by the "New World Order" are now worried that masks, sorry "mandatory muzzles" that defeat the same facial recognition are from the same source. You really couldn't make that level of dropped on their heads as babies idiocy up. Maybe if someone sews up a tinfoil mask?
    pjohnson wrote: »
    A study showed those against masks actually have lower IQ's. So stupidy does relate to refusal to wear masks.
    I love the ones who claim wearing a surgical mask reduces the oxygen levels to the brain. To them I say that ship has long sailed in your case petal.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5294
    railer201
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Yes: valved
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  • #5295
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Every day a new anti-mask argument.

    We're coming to the "damages your scrotum" stage really.

    It's gonna be aliens soon at this pace.

    While whole world wears masks, Ireland is arguing about them.


  • #5296
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,045 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    McGiver wrote: »
    Every day a new anti-mask argument.

    the World Health Organisation (WHO) has stressed that masks "on their own" will not protect from COVID-19.

    It says there is no evidence that wearing one - whether medical or other types - by healthy persons in the wider community can prevent them from being infected with respiratory viruses, including the coronavirus.

    Fears have also been raised that they could give people a false sense of security and mean they are less observant of the rules around social distancing and hand hygiene

    I'm seeing the last part happening right now. Our cases have increased as masks are more widely used, they will keep increasing as the basics are being forgotten.
    Masks are a double edged sword.


  • #5297
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'm seeing the last part happening right now. Our cases have increased as masks are more widely used, they will keep increasing as the basics are being forgotten.
    Masks are a double edged sword.

    Wow, that is knee deep scutter.


  • #5298
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,045 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    Boggles wrote: »
    Wow, that is knee deep scutter.

    It's what I'm witnessing. If I'm wrong nobody gets hurt if I'm right it's going to be a cluster fcuk


  • #5299
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's what I'm witnessing. If I'm wrong nobody gets hurt if I'm right it's going to be a cluster fcuk

    Maybe it's demographics.
    On my wandering around I haven't seen widespread confusion in the use of masks. And it's only something that even the most confused will figure out as time goes by.


  • #5300
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I love the ones who claim wearing a surgical mask reduces the oxygen levels to the brain. To them I say that ship has long sailed

    A middle aged woman I know collapsed recently. Ambulance was called, treatment given, after investigation paramedics said cause for losing consciousness was surgical mask.

    But maybe some randomer on the internet knows more than health care professionals lol


  • #5301
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    Hand in Your Pants wrote: »
    A middle aged woman I know collapsed recently. Ambulance was called, treatment given, after investigation paramedics said cause for losing consciousness was surgical mask.

    But maybe some randomer on the internet knows more than health care professionals lol

    You're a randomer too.


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  • #5302
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,146 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Yes: valved
    There’s a protest outside GPO today against mandatory wearing of masks! It will probably take direct suffering from Covid-19 before these people will accept that it is a virus that can be easily passed on and that can kill.

    I’m all for freedom of speech, freedom of expression and protecting human rights but there is a responsibility on everyone to protect themselves and protect others. Attending a mass gathering to advocate non wearing of masks is to me is extremely irresponsible. Those with a disability could be considered to fall into the underlying conditions category and should be extra careful to protect themselves.


  • #5303
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,045 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Maybe it's demographics.
    On my wandering around I haven't seen widespread confusion in the use of masks. And it's only something that even the most confused will figure out as time goes by.

    It is chatting to anyone that's been to Dublin they say it's way different.


  • #5304
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It is chatting to anyone that's been to Dublin they say it's way different.

    I thought you were saying this was your experience. I'm in Dublin.


  • #5305
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    Hand in Your Pants wrote: »
    A middle aged woman I know collapsed recently. Ambulance was called, treatment given, after investigation paramedics said cause for losing consciousness was surgical mask.

    But maybe some randomer on the internet knows more than health care professionals lol

    Paramedics would know that wearing masks does not cause loss of conciousness.


  • #5306
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    You're a randomer too.

    Just relaying something I've directly witnessed which contradicts what the other poster is implying. Awful lot of smug bravado on these pages from petty tryants and smug hypochondriacs, wouldn't hurt for them to be a little appreciative of the fact that mask wearing raises distinct challenges for some people.


  • #5307
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    khalessi wrote: »
    Paramedics would know that wearing masks does not cause loss of conciousness.

    I think you are confusing your own ideological position with objective reality.


  • #5308
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    pjohnson wrote: »
    A study showed those against masks actually have lower IQ's. So stupidy does relate to refusal to wear masks.

    Studies that prove something don’t use “may”. Anyone with any sort of average IQ would recognise that.


  • #5309
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    Hand in Your Pants wrote: »
    Just relaying something I've directly witnessed which contradicts what the other poster is implying. Awful lot of smug bravado on these pages from petty tryants and smug hypochondriacs, wouldn't hurt for them to be a little appreciative of the fact that mask wearing raises distinct challenges for some people.

    So you are sugesting masks cause loss of conciousness. Well that is rubbish. What other medical conditions did the person have? Were they brought to hospital? If yes what was the outcome? Are they on medication?

    Masks do not cause loss of conciousness otherwise the amount of HCW passing out would be huge and a regular occurence worldwide.


  • #5310
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    Hand in Your Pants wrote: »
    I think you are confusing your own ideological position with objective reality.

    What idealogical position would that be?

    The fact I am related to 3 paramedics who laughed when I told them what you wrote or the fact that I am a nurse who has worked closely with paramedics over the years and have also worn masks of various types over that time and never once passed out or seen or heard of other HCW passing out


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  • #5311
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    khalessi wrote: »
    So you are sugesting masks cause loss of conciousness. Well that is rubbish. What other medical conditions did the person have? Were they brought to hospital? If yes what was the outcome? Are they on medication?

    Masks do not cause loss of conciousness otherwise the amount of HCW passing out would be huge and a regular occurence worldwide.

    Yes they went to a hospital and no I did not suggest that everyone who wears a mask loses consciousness. Your reading comprehension abilities are poor and it is simply not worth my time talking to you.


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