Masks

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 05:20PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The virus is walking in through Dublin airport arrivals daily.

It's walking in through the doors of supermarkets and buses also.
Not sure what Dublin airport has got to do with a thread of masks.
If you want to argue for travel restrictions there's threads for that, but it's not an either or decision. Either it makes sense to have masks in buses and\or shops, or it doesn't. You can be pro-mask and pro-travel restrictions.
You can keep any dog whistling to Irishmen to yourself.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 05:22PM

No: other

ginoginelli wrote: »

Will u wear a face shield?

Ahh face shields they deserve their own thread, the barkeep who was literally spitting on the screen of hers the other night chatting in the pub who went on to wipe the inside of it with her hands as it was so messy and then went on to continue pulling pints and serving food.
No risk with face shields, safe as a house mate.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 05:25PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ahh face shields they deserve their own thread, the barkeep who was literally spitting on the screen of hers the other night chatting in the pub who went on to wipe the inside of it with her hands as it was so messy and then went on to continue pulling pints and serving food.
No risk with face shields, safe as a house mate.

Where was the spit going to go if they weren't wearing a face shield?
Think about it.

Boggles · 17-07-2020 05:27PM

Irish Rail have removed three people from trains following their refusal to wear a face covering since their use became mandatory on public transport on Monday.

Anyone who is found to break the law can be fined or face a prison term.

It comes as the government works on regulations to also enforce the use of face coverings in all shops and retail settings to prevent the spread of Covid-19.

Irish Rail's Barry Kenny says there has been a high compliance rate since new laws came into force this week on public transport but issued a warning:

“Make no mistake – if you are going on and you’re one of these idiots, right, who is out there saying ‘you are infringing on my rights,’ we’re not.

There’s a law of the land there, and if our staff feel the need to get support from the security teams or the gardaí to go to enforcement, because we don’t want to be rowing with customers. As I say, educate, encourage, engage.”

Sounds familiar.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 05:46PM

No: I don't care enough

Mandatory compliance will start at many stores in the US - Walmart is starting Monday (why the delay, probably so people don't feel sprung on), they already have all the structure and signage put up to bounce people for not complying, but as I live in a red, red area it will be interesting to see how well it is enforced, if really at all. I've already seen lots of folks ignore it with their already well documented ignorance, including staffers who just dangled it off their ears or chins

At least one Walmart in West Monroe Louisiana enforced the no tolerance of the policy already, which almost immediately resulted in a conservative freak-out. A man argued with responding police that they couldn't make him wear one, so he was served with a trespass notice and forced to leave. When asked to supply the officer with ID he abruptly left, the officer followed him to get his license plate info. The man ended up trying to bump his car into the police officer twice, where he then proceeded to resist arrest.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/it-begins-man-at-louisiana-walmart-attacks-cop-on-day-one-of-coronavirus-mask-mandate/

Not even the craziest or most violent or deadliest incident of mask-outrage, plan on seeing more.

Elmer Blooker · 17-07-2020 05:49PM

A family member has just returned home on the bus:
"I had to take the mask off because it was unbearably warm" .... "everyone on the bus pulled the mask down as soon as they sat down, people are only wearing them because they are afraid they might not be allowed on to the bus"
That's what I was told.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 05:50PM

Overheal wrote: »

Not even the craziest or most violent or deadliest incident of mask-outrage, plan on seeing more.

In Canada ... Man shot and killed by police at his home after incident sparked by refusal to wear face mask in shop - The man allegedly assaulted a grocery store employee before being shot on Wednesday.

https://www.thejournal.ie/canada-police-shooting-man-face-mask-5152847-Jul2020/

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 05:52PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

Where was the spit going to go if they weren't wearing a face shield?
Think about it.

Ahh come on she never cleaned her hands. Now the spit went all over the place. Your not seeing the risks, get out more and observe the madness.

ginoginelli · 17-07-2020 05:57PM

Yes: surgical

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

A family member has just returned home on the bus:
"I had to take the mask off because it was unbearably warm" .... "everyone on the bus pulled the mask down as soon as they sat down, people are only wearing them because they are afraid they might not be allowed on to the bus"
That's what I was told.

A robust education campaign will go a long way in rectifying this. Let's hope it starts soon.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 06:01PM

No: I don't care enough

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

A family member has just returned home on the bus:
"I had to take the mask off because it was unbearably warm" .... "everyone on the bus pulled the mask down as soon as they sat down, people are only wearing them because they are afraid they might not be allowed on to the bus"
That's what I was told.

I mean I understand the dilemma. Busses are humid hotboxes on an ordinary day, being masked is not going to make that any less pleasant. However because they are so muggy and humid to begin with, it's the ideal place for the moisture-borne virus to spread.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 06:09PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ahh come on she never cleaned her hands. Now the spit went all over the place. Your not seeing the risks, get out more and observe the madness.

As opposed to the spit going all over the place because they weren't wearing any face covering or shield?
If the person is that clueless they are a walking biohazard, mask or not, visor or not.
You're going to have to explain how the visor increased the risk from such an individual.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 06:12PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

As opposed to the spit going all over the place because they weren't wearing any face covering or shield?
If the person is that clueless they are a walking biohazard, mask or not, visor or not.
You're going to have to explain how the visor increased the risk from such an individual.

There cleaning the inside of the shield with their hands and not cleaning them afterwards. Can you not see the problem.

Terminator. · 17-07-2020 06:13PM

I'm not so sure about the masks in shops

I think varadkar had the right idea , shoppers were keeping the social distance and being careful

It's a sh1tshow now from what I can see with the newly masked brigade

timetogo1 · 17-07-2020 06:20PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There cleaning the inside of the shield with their hands and not cleaning them afterwards. Can you not see the problem.

So what youre alluding to is that they should close restaurants too as people are too stupid to operate a face shield.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 06:24PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There cleaning the inside of the shield with their hands and not cleaning them afterwards. Can you not see the problem.

And you can't see the problem with a person spitting all over everything in their immediate vicinity?
Can you replay the scene in the bar in your head, this time without the face mask and visualise where the spit goes.
You still haven't explained, or even tried to explain, how the face mask made things worse in this scenario. So at the third time of asking please do so.
The face visor has just made more visible their whole purpose.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 06:32PM

No: other

timetogo1 wrote: »

So what youre alluding to is that they should close restaurants too as people are too stupid to operate a face shield.

No stick to the 2 meters and constant hand cleaning.

is_that_so · 17-07-2020 06:57PM

No: other

ginoginelli wrote: »

A robust education campaign will go a long way in rectifying this. Let's hope it starts soon.

Does that involve public flogging or sending them straight to the 'Joy?

weldoninhio · 17-07-2020 07:05PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

ginoginelli wrote: »

A robust education campaign will go a long way in rectifying this. Let's hope it starts soon.

We should set up camps to concentrate the re-education. Maybe people with underlying conditions, and can’t wear masks, could wear a star on their clothing to identify themselves??

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 07:10PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

We should set up camps to concentrate the re-education. Maybe people with underlying conditions, and can’t wear masks, could wear a star on their clothing to identify themselves??

In Italy they had to set up field camp hospitals in warehouses where such people were dying from coronavirus.
Those are the kind of camps we are trying to avoid with masks.
We are trying to protect the vulnerable in our society.

To equate this with the Holocaust is not only grossly wrong but offensive.
There appears to be no depths the anti-mask brigade won't stoop to.
On this thread we have had attempts to evade masks by using everything from priofessional misconduct to forge mask exemption letters, to fake pleas about GDPR violation and discrimination.
Now it's alluding to the Holocaust.

Away With The Fairies · 17-07-2020 07:14PM

Yes: valved

Are they going to step up with an education campaign with making masks mandatory?

With aerosol transmission a possibility, people may think it's safe to take off their mask in an enclosed space on their own like in an elevator. But if aerosols linger in the air, you're not safe on your own either.

I think people needs to know this about wearing masks.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 07:15PM

No: other

This government have no trust in their citizens, using tyranny to enforce mask wearing. Ask nicely and explain clearly and we'll buy into it. Bullying us all should be met with strong resistance.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 07:17PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This government have no trust in their citizens, using tyranny to enforce mask wearing. Ask nicely and explain clearly and we'll buy into it. Bullying us all should be met with strong resistance.

Like they use tyranny to enforce drink driving rules, the smoking ban in pubs?
Trust, but verify.
An outbreak of an infectious disease is one of the times when strong government is called for.
The virus is the real tyranny.

Away With The Fairies · 17-07-2020 07:19PM

Yes: valved

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This government have no trust in their citizens, using tyranny to enforce mask wearing. Ask nicely and explain clearly and we'll buy into it. Bullying us all should be met with strong resistance.

I think they asked us nicely back in May.

Sorrento Steve · 17-07-2020 07:24PM

I'm not sure what's worse a middle aged man arrested and manhandled off a train for refusing to wear a muzzle or the baying mob online salivating and lauding it.

Soviet Union stuff, what is happening now in Ireland is deeply sinister. I fear our Eastern European community will be deeply alarmed and recall similarities to the USSR.

Whats most terrifying is how our fellow Paddies and enthralled by informing on their neighbours and cheerleading arrests and draconian "laws"

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 07:28PM

Sorrento Steve wrote: »

I'm not sure what's worse a middle aged man arrested and manhandled off a train for refusing to wear a muzzle or the baying mob online salivating and lauding it.
Soviet Union stuff, what is happening now in Ireland is deeply sinister. I fear our Eastern European community will be deeply alarmed and recall similarities to the USSR.
Whats most terrifying is how our fellow Paddies and enthralled by informing on their neighbours and cheerleading arrests and draconian "laws"

Rubbish. Google Czech Republic and face masks, that was their own decision, the decision of a sovereign and independent nation. As is our decision in this Republic. I stand by the Republic and its citizens and I wear a mask.
We've had the Holocaust brought up by the anti-masks briagde and now the spectre of the USSR. What next I wonder.

khalessi · 17-07-2020 07:30PM

Yes: surgical

odyssey06 wrote: »

Rubbish. Google Czech Republic and face masks, that was their own decision, the decision of a sovereign and independent nation. As is our decision in this Republic. I stand by the Republic and its citizens and I wear a mask.
We've had the Holocaust brought up by the anti-masks briagde and now the spectre of the USSR. What next I wonder.

I'm guessing aliens or the illuminati or New World Order

tromtipp · 17-07-2020 07:30PM

Yes: surgical

Sorrento Steve wrote: »

I'm not sure what's worse a middle aged man arrested and manhandled off a train for refusing to wear a muzzle or the baying mob online salivating and lauding it.

Top Tip Steve, if you ever have a beloved but temperamental dog and are advised to muzzle it, do not, repeat do NOT tie on a cotton mask. Different things, different functions, look them up.

Sorrento Steve · 17-07-2020 07:35PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Rubbish. Google Czech Republic and face masks, that was their own decision, the decision of a sovereign and independent nation. As is our decision in this Republic. I stand by the Republic and its citizens and I wear a mask.
We've had the Holocaust brought up by the anti-masks briagde and now the spectre of the USSR. What next I wonder.

I don't recall being asked in a referendum about mandatory muzzles in lieu of a prison sentence. There has been no debate, there is a shocking lack of scientific evidence supporting the wearing of masks against Covid. This is hit and hope stuff.

Voluntary masks are one thing but to have our Gardai acting in Gestapo-esque fashion to enforce the wearing of masks ( when they don't even wear them!) and imprison non complies is terrifying and sinister in the extreme

Jim_Hodge · 17-07-2020 07:40PM

Yes: homemade

Sorrento Steve wrote: »

I don't recall being asked in a referendum about mandatory muzzles in lieu of a prison sentence. There has been no debate, there is a shocking lack of scientific evidence supporting the wearing of masks against Covid. This is hit and hope stuff.

Voluntary masks are one thing but to have our Gardai acting in Gestapo-esque fashion to enforce the wearing of masks ( when they don't even wear them!) and imprison non complies is terrifying and sinister in the extreme

Hyperbole much?

:rolleyes:

pjohnson · 17-07-2020 07:41PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

In Italy they had to set up field camp hospitals in warehouses where such people were dying from coronavirus.
Those are the kind of camps we are trying to avoid with masks.
We are trying to protect the vulnerable in our society.

To equate this with the Holocaust is not only grossly wrong but offensive.
There appears to be no depths the anti-mask brigade won't stoop to.
On this thread we have had attempts to evade masks by using everything from priofessional misconduct to forge mask exemption letters, to fake pleas about GDPR violation and discrimination.
Now it's alluding to the Holocaust.

Tbf there was apparently a study that reported those refusing to wear masks/follow restrictions had a lower IQ. We should pity them and their issues really, they cant help it the poor things.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90527258/people-who-social-distance-may-be-more-intelligent-study-says

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