Masks

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:07PM

No: other

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Just wondering, would the people here who strongly support the new measures regarding mandatory masks be supportive of similar measures should they occur requiring mandatory vaccination? Not a trick question, just curious.

It is a trick question as we're going to be urged to take two vaccines if a covid one appears. The limited science at the moment says taking the flu vaccine increases your chances of catching covid.
So what you gonna do, it's not a trick question I'm genuinely puzzled on what were going to do. I really don't know.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:13PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It is a trick question as we're going to be urged to take two vaccines if a covid one appears. The limited science at the moment says taking the flu vaccine increases your chances of catching covid.
So what you gonna do, it's not a trick question I'm genuinely puzzled on what were going to do. I really don't know.

A claim being pushed on social media and by an organization skeptical of vaccines is using a military study to falsely suggest that the flu vaccine increases someone’s risk of contracting COVID-19. The study does not say that, and the Military Health System advises people to get the flu shot.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/no-evidence-that-flu-shot-increases-risk-of-covid-19/

Stark · 17-07-2020 11:14PM

No: other

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Not a trick question, just curious.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:15PM

No: other

Overheal wrote: »

I think you understand better about how this works than that.

Circles too tight I'd want to be unlucky. I've had the TB vaccine, my ACE2 expression is well muted and my cytkoine production must be up there with Willie Nelson.

fr336 · 17-07-2020 11:15PM

Yes: surgical

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd have brought in mandatory Quarantine in February the same time I stocked up on enough sanitizer at cheap prices to last until January.

Agree totally. But the government were too incompetent and interested in keeping the economy in full flow to do it. No conspiracy.

Hand in Your Pants · 17-07-2020 11:15PM

Straightforward enough question, just trying to gauge people's opinions.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:16PM

No: I don't care enough

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Just wondering, would the people here who strongly support the new measures regarding mandatory masks be supportive of similar measures should they occur requiring mandatory vaccination? Not a trick question, just curious.

We in the US already have these measures and they are not controversial. The MMR vaccine for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella is a defacto requirement of enrolling in most schools for example along with a schedule of others.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/growing/school-vaccinations.html

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:17PM

No: other

Overheal wrote: »

A claim being pushed on social media and by an organization skeptical of vaccines is using a military study to falsely suggest that the flu vaccine increases someone’s risk of contracting COVID-19. The study does not say that, and the Military Health System advises people to get the flu shot.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/no-evidence-that-flu-shot-increases-risk-of-covid-19/

Ah come on factcheck, you know what's going on there. It's not a military study I was referring to, I posted the link earlier it's from last year pre covid.

timmy_mallet · 17-07-2020 11:17PM

Tork wrote: »

Why would anybody suspect they don't have the virus?

99.7% test negative. Youd be foolish to assume you had, the numbers dont back it up.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:20PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Circles too tight I'd want to be unlucky.

Unless you're very, very isolated, living in a yurt in the Aran Islands or something your degrees of separation from most others is not nearly as small as you think. One shopkeeper most places for instance interacts with hundreds a day, and they all interact with countless more. Even if you think you are well separated you are likely 3 degrees at best removed from 1000s of other people

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:22PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ah come on factcheck, you know what's going on there. It's not a military study I was referring to, I posted the link earlier it's from last year pre covid.

Then link to it again? I'm not pouring through 100 of your posts to dig up which is all but guaranteed to be codswallop.

fly_agaric · 17-07-2020 11:22PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/057/117/574/original/bde1fbcb8018398a.png?1595012563

Hmmm... yank wingnut propaganda from gab.com ("A social network that champions free speech, individual liberty and the free flow of information online")! What a shocker. No really what a shocker!:eek:

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:25PM

No: other

Thank feck I'm not standing in a shop then. Only know of 2 shopkeepers who've caught it one from a wedding and one from his staff. It doesn't seem to transmit on money for some reason.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:26PM

No: other

Overheal wrote: »

Then link to it again? I'm not pouring through 100 of your posts to dig up which is all but guaranteed to be codswallop.

The lights getting dim, me neither, will post tomorrow.

timmy_mallet · 17-07-2020 11:26PM

McGiver wrote: »

Caught yourself into your own trap.

Czech cases are slightly growing because the universal requirement of masks was lifted 3 weeks ago you smarty pants.

Czech level of testing was slightly better than Irish per capita.

Right, and remember, that I am not advocating a universal removal of mask wearing, but carry on...

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 11:33PM

Overheal wrote: »

Unless you're very, very isolated, living in a yurt in the Aran Islands or something your degrees of separation from most others is not nearly as small as you think. One shopkeeper most places for instance interacts with hundreds a day, and they all interact with countless more. Even if you think you are well separated you are likely 3 degrees at best removed from 1000s of other people

And yet, even with supermarkets open throughout the pandemic, it was always considered safe to go shopping without wearing a mask, and we didn't see tens of thousands of shop workers come down with the virus.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:34PM

No: other

fly_agaric wrote: »

("A social network that champions free speech, individual liberty and the free flow of information online")!

And you problem with free speech is?

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:40PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Thank feck I'm not standing in a shop then. Only know of 2 shopkeepers who've caught it one from a wedding and one from his staff. It doesn't seem to transmit on money for some reason.

Cash is notoriously covered in germs; studies suggest that paper bills can contain bacteria and viruses, plus lead to the spread of disease. The lifespan of various bills ranges four to 15 years, according to the Federal Reserve, meaning your bills have a lot of time to accumulate germs.

And in China, where there are more than 80,500 cases of COVID-19, banks began disinfecting cash with ultraviolet or heat treatments in February to prevent the further spread of the virus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-handling-cash-amid-coronavirus-spread-who.html

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:42PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

And yet, even with supermarkets open throughout the pandemic, it was always considered safe to go shopping without wearing a mask, and we didn't see tens of thousands of shop workers come down with the virus.

Because you have a smaller starting point in a smaller country that had less direct travel to China when this was outbreaking, so your exponential growth problems are commensurately mitigated. This however doesn't mean that you should abandon masks until all your cases are spotted and quarantined and treated to elimination.

Away With The Fairies · 17-07-2020 11:46PM

Yes: valved

Overheal wrote: »

Cash is notoriously covered in germs; studies suggest that paper bills can contain bacteria and viruses, plus lead to the spread of disease. The lifespan of various bills ranges four to 15 years, according to the Federal Reserve, meaning your bills have a lot of time to accumulate germs.

And in China, where there are more than 80,500 cases of COVID-19, banks began disinfecting cash with ultraviolet or heat treatments in February to prevent the further spread of the virus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-handling-cash-amid-coronavirus-spread-who.html

I've stopped using cash. Any money I might have, I'll give it a spray with bleach. I really became a germaphobe with all this.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 11:48PM

No: I don't care enough

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I've stopped using cash. Any money I might have, I'll give it a spray with bleach. I really became a germaphobe with all this.

I use ApplePay or I use my contactless cards. If I have to hit a keypad its with the tip of my car key.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:57PM

No: other

Overheal wrote: »

Cash is notoriously covered in germs; studies suggest that paper bills can contain bacteria and viruses, plus lead to the spread of disease. The lifespan of various bills ranges four to 15 years, according to the Federal Reserve, meaning your bills have a lot of time to accumulate germs.

And in China, where there are more than 80,500 cases of COVID-19, banks began disinfecting cash with ultraviolet or heat treatments in February to prevent the further spread of the virus.

I've been handling money form a very young age, it's possible I'm not as susceptible as the average person in the street to the danger money can cause. First sign of anything in winter and i'm on Manuka honey and Echinacea which usually has me right in a few hours.
Maybe I'm the key, no harm in seeing what antibodies I've developed over the years.

GT89 · 17-07-2020 11:58PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

GazzaL wrote: »

And yet, even with supermarkets open throughout the pandemic, it was always considered safe to go shopping without wearing a mask, and we didn't see tens of thousands of shop workers come down with the virus.

Exactly worked throughout the lockdown in a supermarket, never wore a mask and yet I'm still here

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 11:59PM

No: other

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I've stopped using cash. Any money I might have, I'll give it a spray with bleach. I really became a germaphobe with all this.

You can't catch covid through your hands. Clean your hands after handling it there's nothing to worry about.

Overheal · 18-07-2020 12:09AM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You can't catch covid through your hands. Clean your hands after handling it there's nothing to worry about.

I had less of a problem with that in the spring, when the stores had sanitizer at every checkout. That's all gone away now, so it's easier just to avoid touching things at checkout. Been to Lowes a lot lately and I don't even let things hit the counter I just show the cashier the barcodes of what I'm buying and pay & carry them off without a touch.

Overheal · 18-07-2020 12:11AM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

Exactly worked throughout the lockdown in a supermarket, never wore a mask and yet I'm still here

Lucky I guess

United Food and Commercial Workers International (UFCW) said at least 82 grocery store workers have died from COVID-19 and 11,507 have been infected or exposed to the virus in the first 100 days of the outbreak.

https://www.supermarketnews.com/issues-trends/ufcw-over-11500-grocery-workers-affected-first-100-days-pandemic

drunkmonkey · 18-07-2020 12:25AM

No: other

Overheal wrote: »

Lucky I guess

It's more than luck I think retailers here copped on fairly quickly a lot were well ahead of the Government.

I get what your saying about being more worried now as the santaiser has started to disappear in shops when it's still an essential part of stopping the spread.
This is back to my gripe with masks, it seems to be replacing the basics of cleaning your hands and keeping your distance. I saw a man cough right through his mask this evening when chatting to the cashier, it made me a little uneasy as there was no attempt made not to cough straight at her. There was no santaiser on the way in and the staff had no personal one at the counter.
Everything is getting to lax I fear or else I've got it wrong and all you need to do is wear a mask and none of the above is an issue.

Overheal · 18-07-2020 12:33AM

No: I don't care enough

Yeah a mask is definitely not a replacement for other hygiene protocol, it is a supplement.

GT89 · 18-07-2020 12:40AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Overheal wrote: »

Yeah a mask is definitely not a replacement for other hygiene protocol, it is a supplement.

If that's case then why are supermarkets letting far more people now

Overheal · 18-07-2020 12:53AM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

If that's case then why are supermarkets letting far more people now

Their prerogative, I guess.

Stores here do have limits. Ingles where we normally shop never has a crowding problem even normally, so not much has changed, the pair of entries were switched to one-way for a while (following a city ordinance that doesn't seem to be in effect any more), before more people started wearing masks and they adopted a store mandate. I can't remember where else I was recently, I think Best Buy, that reduced its rated maximum occupancy to about 1/4th and had a complementary PPE station up front, yet had not mandated masks when I went, that may have changed already with more stores going to mandates.

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