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If Ireland gets to keep the €13 billion Apple money tomorrow

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  • #32
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Snotty wrote: »
    Move away and suddenly think you're better than us, do ya?

    Not at all. I was surprised that there seems to be this idea amongst what appears to be a majority of the populace that this is money that somehow belongs to Ireland. It was even being proposed as a source of finance in the election manifesto of some of the political parties over there.


  • #33
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    NSAman wrote: »
    Monorail??
    Like the one down in Kerry ?


  • #34
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    maherhonda wrote: »
    Fix the welfare system.

    Fix the hospital system as its leaking money left right and center.

    Increase the 3.5 rule to 4.5 for buying property.

    Build affordable housing.

    Fix the rural broadband situation once and for all.

    That's just a few ideas.

    Do you understand we won’t get the 13 billion

    Every country is Europe will take their bit and we will get paid f**k all


  • #35
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,168 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Most of it will be claimed by other countries - 200m already gone that way. There won't be any windfall and there will most likely be less tax income in the future


  • #36
    maherhonda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭maherhonda


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Do you understand we won’t get the 13 billion

    Every country is Europe will take their bit and we will get paid f**k all

    Did you read the OP and its after hours.

    Obviously we won't get to keep it all. Its just some things I'd try to do if we did.

    Its like the threads what would you do if you won the lotto.


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  • #37
    greenfield21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Not at all. I was surprised that there seems to be this idea amongst what appears to be a majority of the populace that this is money that somehow belongs to Ireland. It was even being proposed as a source of finance in the election manifesto of some of the political parties over there.

    Corporate tax is the golden goose that keeps on giving. Even sinn fein have realised that now.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strumms wrote: »
    I’d be amazed if the ruling went our way first off. .

    Going our way is Apple keeping their money, the Irish government have rightly being fighting in favour of Apple keeping their money rather than it being stolen by the EU.

    13 billion is nothing compared to what we get from us multinationals over the years and what we will get keeping them well onside into the future.

    It will be a very very bad day for Ireland if the Eu rule in favour of the tax being owed.


  • #39
    gailforecast
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭gailforecast


    Increase the dole to 1000 a week


  • #40
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    maherhonda wrote: »
    Did you read the OP and its after hours.

    Obviously we won't get to keep it all. Its just some things I'd try to do if we did.

    Its like the threads what would you do if you won the lotto.

    Problem is a huge percentage of the population including some of our politicians don’t understand the basic of this


  • #41
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Corporate tax is the golden goose that keeps on giving. Even sinn fein have realised that now.

    Mary Lou was on recently saying we should take the 13 billion, they are so stupid they don’t even know the basic about the money

    SF are a joke and would ruin this country


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  • #42
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Corporate tax is the golden goose that keeps on giving. Even sinn fein have realised that now.

    There's also a myth that the only reason companies like Facebook, Google, and Microsoft are in Ireland is because of the low corporate tax rate. That's only partially true. There's also the language, favourable time zone, relative lack of bureaucracy, political stability, and a myriad of other factors.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    L1011 wrote: »
    Most of it will be claimed by other countries - 200m already gone that way. There won't be any windfall and there will most likely be less tax income in the future
    Why "most likely"

    Apple's tax arrangements have long since changed, and so have many other US MNCs.

    I'm not of the belief that Ireland would be entitled to anything more than a very small fraction of this money, I'm just curious about the consequence of "most likely there will be less tax income in the future" since that regime is already extinct.


  • #44
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    There's also a myth that the only reason companies like Facebook, Google, and Microsoft are in Ireland is because of the low corporate tax rate. That's only partially true. There's also the language, favourable time zone, relative lack of bureaucracy, political stability, and a myriad of other factors.

    They are here because of the money.

    We have a s**t public transport system, it’s difficult to attract staff because of the cost of living. Can’t buy a house, can’t rent one. You have to build a base in Dublin because nobody wants to work anywhere else. Then staff do move and complain because they can’t get into office.

    Everyone wants “Dublin wages”

    Don’t kid yourself, it’s the money and that’s it, every other European country can offer better but just charge more for the privaledge


  • #45
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Why "most likely"

    Apple's tax arrangements have long since changed, and so have many other US MNCs.

    I'm not of the belief that Ireland would be entitled to anything more than a very small fraction of this money, I'm just curious about the consequence of "most likely there will be less tax income in the future" since that regime is already extinct.

    When they all pull out and everyone that is working, paying tax etc is on the social you will have less tax

    If anything dell pulling out of limerick shows how easy they can do it


  • #46
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Mary Lou was on recently saying we should take the 13 billion, they are so stupid they don’t even know the basic about the money

    SF are a joke and would ruin this country

    Shure they just go out and rob a bank if they are running short of cash.


  • #47
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    gailforecast wrote: »
    Increase the dole to 1000 a week

    I’d rather see it burnt.


  • #48
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    When they all pull out and everyone that is working, paying tax etc is on the social you will have less tax

    If anything dell pulling out of limerick shows how easy they can do it

    I think I get what you’re saying. We should use the money to wage a swift and brutal war on Dell. Great idea.


  • #49
    collywobble7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭collywobble7


    maherhonda wrote:
    Fix the welfare system.


    We need additional money to fix the welfare system...do tell.


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Collie D wrote: »
    I think I get what you’re saying. We should use the money to wage a swift and brutal war on Dell. Great idea.

    Can we use attack dolphins?


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Atlantic Dawn wrote:
    So tomorrow the General Court of the European Union will decide whether Ireland is owed €13 billion in tax from Apple.


    It was never ours. The eu want us to collect it on behalf of the the other member states. I'd be surprised if 5 percent of it was for Ireland. Storm in a teacup springs to mind


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  • #52
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »
    An Irish Space program


    I just read out your username to my adult daughter and granddaughter to much amusement. We were wondering how such a name came to you?


  • #53
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Collie D wrote: »
    I think I get what you’re saying. We should use the money to wage a swift and brutal war on Dell. Great idea.

    Or just nationalize them.


  • #54
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    So tomorrow the General Court of the European Union will decide whether Ireland is owed €13 billion in tax from Apple.

    I prupose that everyone in the country is given a €2500 voucher to spend on Apple tat to lighten the blow on the company and promote technology in the country.

    Any other ideas on what to blow the money on?
    listermint wrote: »
    Give every adult 3500 cheque.

    Pfft, pay every taxpayer €8600 each insead.


  • #55
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,188 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Zariyah Worried Snob wrote: »
    Going our way is Apple keeping their money, the Irish government have rightly being fighting in favour of Apple keeping their money rather than it being stolen by the EU.

    13 billion is nothing compared to what we get from us multinationals over the years and what we will get keeping them well onside into the future.

    It will be a very very bad day for Ireland if the Eu rule in favour of the tax being owed.

    Ok, my bad, my reply was constructed post dental surgery and I was kinda spaced off my, well everything.


  • #56
    KevRossi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    As an expat, I am always surprised (never shocked) at the lack of basic understanding about this issue by the average Irish person.

    Immigrant.

    You're an immigrant Aongus, not an 'expat'. Don't try to gloss it over with a term that's designed to hide someone's embarrassment of their origins.

    Auslaender, Einwanderer. Whatever. Just another immigrant in Germany, like a few million others.


  • #57
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Not sure I agree but The Green Party proposed filling in the canals with concrete and building high speed rail lines on them


  • #58
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,372 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Mary Lou was on recently saying we should take the 13 billion, they are so stupid they don’t even know the basic about the money

    SF are a joke and would ruin this country

    SF are big fans of Venezuela and would love to model Ireland on the same socialist policies. Venezuela, with the largest oil reserves in the world and people barely able to eat.


  • #59
    satguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭satguy


    FG, with help now from FF and GP, can give the whole 13B to their buddies from BAM to finish off our national children's hospital.

    Should be some nice kick backs floating around.


  • #60
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    There will be years of appeals...the solicitors gotta get paid


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    When they all pull out and everyone that is working, paying tax etc is on the social you will have less tax

    If anything dell pulling out of limerick shows how easy they can do it

    I don't think you see my point, maybe I didn't make it clearly though.

    Ireland has already done the correct thing by challenging the Apple Tax judgment. However, should the decision go against Ireland, and again on appeal, and then Ireland gains some fraction of the Apple Tax payment -- how would this really impact MNCs here?

    The regime which is in dispute has already gone extinct. Apple has, by itself, altered its tax planning. It has been paying large amounts of tax to the US since, I think, 2017.18.

    All that is in question here is the an old tax bill. The Irish tax regime, at present, is not iimpugned at all.

    So I cannot see why anyone would make the claim that it's at risk.


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