If Ireland gets to keep the €13 billion Apple money tomorrow

Atlantic Dawn

So tomorrow the General Court of the European Union will decide whether Ireland is owed €13 billion in tax from Apple.

I prupose that everyone in the country is given a €2500 voucher to spend on Apple tat to lighten the blow on the company and promote technology in the country.

Any other ideas on what to blow the money on?

Rodney Bathgate

How much will be left after all the other EU states make their claim for a share.

Atlantic Dawn

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

How much will be left after all the other EU states make their claim for a share.

Feck them, the money is resting in our account

listermint

Give every adult 3500 cheque.

Dufflecoat Fanny

An Irish Space program

Irish Praetorian

We could do something boring and pay off 1/12th of our national debt?

Dull, but maybe slightly improves things for future generations?

Strumms

I’d be amazed if the ruling went our way first off. Big business over the last 10 years have dictated policy of our governments, I wouldn’t be surprised if they could influence our courts.

Secondly, what ‘payment plan’ might the courts insist on ‘if’ they rule in the states favor ?

Apple has about 270 BILLION In cash assets as of 2019... still, I’d be amazed if this went our way... if it did though it might be years following appeals and arguments.

Invest in health, sport, transport, primarily. Nationwide.

Ten of Swords

Some necessary infrastructure projects.

Boards fantasy wishlist - fighter jets, a new prison, a nuclear power plant and settling the dail bar tab

Aglomerado

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

An Irish Space program

We already have that in the shape of Round Towers.

Aongus Von Bismarck

As an expat, I am always surprised (never shocked) at the lack of basic understanding about this issue by the average Irish person.

MrMusician18

Strumms wrote: »

I’d be amazed if the ruling went our way first off. Big business over the last 10 years have dictated policy of our governments, I wouldn’t be surprised if they could influence our courts.

Secondly, what ‘payment plan’ might the courts insist on ‘if’ they rule in the states favor ?

Apple has about 270 BILLION In cash assets as of 2019... still, I’d be amazed if this went our way... if it did though it might be years following appeals and arguments.

Our way? You do know that the Government are arguing that the money isn't due.

It will be appealed, either way.

Hurling classes for all



Reeducation camps for rugby goys

TheValeyard

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

An Irish Space program

id like a death laser attached to a satellite please.

weldoninhio

Strumms wrote: »

I’d be amazed if the ruling went our way first off. Big business over the last 10 years have dictated policy of our governments, I wouldn’t be surprised if they could influence our courts.

Secondly, what ‘payment plan’ might the courts insist on ‘if’ they rule in the states favor ?

Apple has about 270 BILLION In cash assets as of 2019... still, I’d be amazed if this went our way... if it did though it might be years following appeals and arguments.

Invest in health, sport, transport, primarily. Nationwide.

Payment plan? The full amount is already in escrow.

Junkyard Tom

Fix the sanitation/sewerage system, do the Limerick-to-Cork and Derry-to-Dublin roads. Move Ireland down into the bay of Biscay.

Irish Praetorian

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

As an expat, I am always surprised (never shocked) at the lack of basic understanding about this issue by the average Irish person.

As a boards user, I'm not surprised about your surprise at the lack of basic understanding about this issue by the average Irish person.

weldoninhio

If Ireland did win, I would love for us to tell all the other EU countries to chase Apple for any taxes owed in their countries. But the bestest boys in the EU will never do that.

screamer

Even if we’re awarded it, we’ll just be the executor for the other greedy eu countries.
If we could keep it though, it’d lessen the blow from covid19 seeing as the package of measures proposed for covid19 will be voted down by same greedy eu members. Also, they’re gonna force us to harmonise the corporate taxes so we should keep it as compensation for the fall out that is going to come.

touts

By the time the Dublin Children's hospital and Dublin Metro and 2nd Dublin Airport Runway get built there won't be much left.

You didn't really think BAM downed tools last week because of site safety reasons did you? They got a whiff of a few more billion in the pot.

touts

By the time the Dublin Children's hospital and Dublin Metro and 2nd Dublin Airport Runway get built there won't be much left.

You didn't really think BAM downed tools last week because of site safety reasons did you? They got a whiff of a few more billion in the pot.

But if I had a wish list it would be:

National Broadband Scheme accelerated to be complete by end of 2021.

Complete the motorway web in 4 steps:
Limerick to Mitchelstown.
Cahir to Rosslare.
Thurles to Athlone.
Galway to Donegal.

AMKC

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

We could do something boring and pay off 1/12th of our national debt?

Dull, but maybe slightly improves things for future generations?

Feck future generations. What about us here now? I will take a 3 grand check thank you.

Shefwedfan

We will be lucky to get a couple of Million

Anyone with sense should be hoping that Apple wins this case, otherwise expect a mass of unemployment in Ireland as the US companies pull out....our European friend will pick us dry

Shefwedfan

AMKC wrote: »

Feck future generations. What about us here now? I will take a 3 grand check thank you.

You won’t get a penny....

thomil

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Our way? You do know that the Government are arguing that the money isn't due.

It will be appealed, either way.

This is already the appeal, so whatever way the ECJ decides tomorrow, it will be final.

Shefwedfan

thomil wrote: »

This is already the appeal, so whatever way the ECJ decides tomorrow, it will be final.

No it’s not, it will be at least 2022

NSAman

Monorail??

AMKC

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You won’t get a penny....

Oh I have no interest in a penny sure what would I do with that. A few grand do could end up employing a few people for that and creating some work for a week or two while I get a few jobs done and the money would go back into the economy.

maherhonda

Fix the welfare system.

Fix the hospital system as its leaking money left right and center.

Increase the 3.5 rule to 4.5 for buying property.

Build affordable housing.

Fix the rural broadband situation once and for all.

That's just a few ideas.

Snotty

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

As an expat, I am always surprised (never shocked) at the lack of basic understanding about this issue by the average Irish person.

Move away and suddenly think you're better than us, do ya?

touts

NSAman wrote: »

Monorail??

Also known as the Dublin Metro to bring workers
that no longer exist from empty office blocks in Dublin City center to an airport operating at 25% of pre-covid/zoom demand.

Capt'n Midnight

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

An Irish Space program

But we already have one.

We'll be launching a satellite soon

Aongus Von Bismarck

Snotty wrote: »

Move away and suddenly think you're better than us, do ya?

Not at all. I was surprised that there seems to be this idea amongst what appears to be a majority of the populace that this is money that somehow belongs to Ireland. It was even being proposed as a source of finance in the election manifesto of some of the political parties over there.

Capt'n Midnight

NSAman wrote: »

Monorail??

Like the one down in Kerry ?

Shefwedfan

maherhonda wrote: »

Fix the welfare system.

Fix the hospital system as its leaking money left right and center.

Increase the 3.5 rule to 4.5 for buying property.

Build affordable housing.

Fix the rural broadband situation once and for all.

That's just a few ideas.

Do you understand we won’t get the 13 billion

Every country is Europe will take their bit and we will get paid f**k all

L1011

Most of it will be claimed by other countries - 200m already gone that way. There won't be any windfall and there will most likely be less tax income in the future

maherhonda

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Do you understand we won’t get the 13 billion

Every country is Europe will take their bit and we will get paid f**k all

Did you read the OP and its after hours.

Obviously we won't get to keep it all. Its just some things I'd try to do if we did.

Its like the threads what would you do if you won the lotto.

greenfield21

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Not at all. I was surprised that there seems to be this idea amongst what appears to be a majority of the populace that this is money that somehow belongs to Ireland. It was even being proposed as a source of finance in the election manifesto of some of the political parties over there.

Corporate tax is the golden goose that keeps on giving. Even sinn fein have realised that now.

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

I’d be amazed if the ruling went our way first off. .

Going our way is Apple keeping their money, the Irish government have rightly being fighting in favour of Apple keeping their money rather than it being stolen by the EU.

13 billion is nothing compared to what we get from us multinationals over the years and what we will get keeping them well onside into the future.

It will be a very very bad day for Ireland if the Eu rule in favour of the tax being owed.

gailforecast

Increase the dole to 1000 a week

Shefwedfan

maherhonda wrote: »

Did you read the OP and its after hours.

Obviously we won't get to keep it all. Its just some things I'd try to do if we did.

Its like the threads what would you do if you won the lotto.

Problem is a huge percentage of the population including some of our politicians don’t understand the basic of this

Shefwedfan

greenfield21 wrote: »

Corporate tax is the golden goose that keeps on giving. Even sinn fein have realised that now.

Mary Lou was on recently saying we should take the 13 billion, they are so stupid they don’t even know the basic about the money

SF are a joke and would ruin this country

Aongus Von Bismarck

greenfield21 wrote: »

Corporate tax is the golden goose that keeps on giving. Even sinn fein have realised that now.

There's also a myth that the only reason companies like Facebook, Google, and Microsoft are in Ireland is because of the low corporate tax rate. That's only partially true. There's also the language, favourable time zone, relative lack of bureaucracy, political stability, and a myriad of other factors.

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

Most of it will be claimed by other countries - 200m already gone that way. There won't be any windfall and there will most likely be less tax income in the future

Why "most likely"

Apple's tax arrangements have long since changed, and so have many other US MNCs.

I'm not of the belief that Ireland would be entitled to anything more than a very small fraction of this money, I'm just curious about the consequence of "most likely there will be less tax income in the future" since that regime is already extinct.

Shefwedfan

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

There's also a myth that the only reason companies like Facebook, Google, and Microsoft are in Ireland is because of the low corporate tax rate. That's only partially true. There's also the language, favourable time zone, relative lack of bureaucracy, political stability, and a myriad of other factors.

They are here because of the money.

We have a s**t public transport system, it’s difficult to attract staff because of the cost of living. Can’t buy a house, can’t rent one. You have to build a base in Dublin because nobody wants to work anywhere else. Then staff do move and complain because they can’t get into office.

Everyone wants “Dublin wages”

Don’t kid yourself, it’s the money and that’s it, every other European country can offer better but just charge more for the privaledge

Shefwedfan

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why "most likely"

Apple's tax arrangements have long since changed, and so have many other US MNCs.

I'm not of the belief that Ireland would be entitled to anything more than a very small fraction of this money, I'm just curious about the consequence of "most likely there will be less tax income in the future" since that regime is already extinct.

When they all pull out and everyone that is working, paying tax etc is on the social you will have less tax

If anything dell pulling out of limerick shows how easy they can do it

Rodney Bathgate

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mary Lou was on recently saying we should take the 13 billion, they are so stupid they don’t even know the basic about the money

SF are a joke and would ruin this country

Shure they just go out and rob a bank if they are running short of cash.

Rodney Bathgate

gailforecast wrote: »

Increase the dole to 1000 a week

I’d rather see it burnt.

Collie D

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When they all pull out and everyone that is working, paying tax etc is on the social you will have less tax

If anything dell pulling out of limerick shows how easy they can do it

I think I get what you’re saying. We should use the money to wage a swift and brutal war on Dell. Great idea.

collywobble7

maherhonda wrote:

Fix the welfare system.

We need additional money to fix the welfare system...do tell.

Collie D

Collie D wrote: »

I think I get what you’re saying. We should use the money to wage a swift and brutal war on Dell. Great idea.

Can we use attack dolphins?

Sleeper12

Atlantic Dawn wrote:

So tomorrow the General Court of the European Union will decide whether Ireland is owed €13 billion in tax from Apple.

It was never ours. The eu want us to collect it on behalf of the the other member states. I'd be surprised if 5 percent of it was for Ireland. Storm in a teacup springs to mind