Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

What Username Guidelines · 14-07-2020 04:56PM

Lombardia reported 30 cases today and 3 deaths. Given they’re usually ~40-50% of cases in Italy, it looks like they’re gonna have a relatively low day. 0.53% positivity rate from their testing.

Edit: 114 cases total today, apparently lowest since feb 26th. Worldometers does have a day with 113 recently but may have been a reporting issue. Either way, great to see given they’re quite open for some time.

timmy_mallet · 14-07-2020 04:56PM

mloc123 wrote: »

My work office has around 10% "Irish" people... The other 90% are... American, French, Italian, Indian, Chinese, Polish etc.. etc...

If you passed some of those in the street, would you assume they are tourists here?

W/o tourists, lots of D1 and D2 would be like that. And the govt. having to ask people not to assume that is an indication of their concern for anti-immigrant and far right sentiment being just under the surface here.

US2 · 14-07-2020 04:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Bruce?

Yeah buddy. Do you want to see my badge amigo

is_that_so · 14-07-2020 04:59PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't disagree that they were in the wrong in that case but just to better explain, if the state gave guidance to immigration officers to make the specific checks provided they are lawful then it could be an extra tool state has to try to prevent non-essential travel and people not self isolating.

Having been exposed, briefly, to the lads and lassies of immigration, in a similar encounter with a foreign student, can't say I'd trust them to do much right. They really do suit themselves.

Eod100 · 14-07-2020 04:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

As Glynn commented yesterday having a foreign accent doesn't mean they have no reason to be here.

Of course not and nobody should have that mindset. I think he had answered that to a question from media asking what if staff in restaurant get chatting to say Americans as an example and they say they arrived into Ireland 5 days ago, what should happen.

Unfortunately the scenarios like journalist ask could crop up when people can travel from high risk areas for non essential travel and not self-isolate. I know a lot of businesses now are taking it upon themselves to asking anyone booking if they've recently arrived into country whether Irish or not, because of course an Irish person is just as likely to have returned from abroad recently as an American could be living here for years.

is_that_so · 14-07-2020 05:01PM

US2 wrote: »

Yeah buddy. Do you want to see my badge amigo

None the wiser!

Eod100 · 14-07-2020 05:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Having been exposed, briefly, to the lads and lassies of immigration, in a similar encounter with a foreign student, can't say I'd trust them to do much right. They really do suit themselves.

Fair enough. It wouldn't be my preferred method by any means, would hate to see US style immigration authorities here say but if staff and rules that already existed could ask people politely and friendly (not interrogation style) in lawful manner these things it could be helpful. Whether that's realistic is another question I guess

gipi · 14-07-2020 05:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

None the wiser!

Bruce was a Dublin Airport customs officer who featured in the reality show Stop, Search, Seize. His manner towards the public was...let's say quirky!

timmy_mallet · 14-07-2020 05:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It does not matter, they all can potentially spread the virus here.

There are now many well documented instances of travelers from the states flouting the self isolation rules, and nothing is being done.

It's a carbon copy of the Italian tourists around St Patrick's Day fiasco. Have we learned nothing ?

Are the Government serious about mitigating the spread of the virus or not ?

Anyone can 'potentially spread the virus' - where they come from is irrelevant. As a small island nation, we cannot survive without travel. A 2 week quarantine is utterly impractical. Perhaps some of the 99.7% negative testing capacity should be shifted towards our ports instead. If the same positive/negative rate exists there, we can then also forget about travel being a problem.

podgeandrodge · 14-07-2020 05:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Covney said yesterday that 250 people from the states are coming in every day.

1,000 every four days from the country with the most reported infected cases in the world is hardly "(not very many)" !

While I also think that there should be restrictions on US tourism (excluding legitimate travel reasons etc.), I guess that we will see very quickly if these numbers translate into cases - they have been coming in for a while now no? IN which case if they represent a problem the cases should mount up. As someone said, it depends on whether the types arriving have the profile of people with cases (if such profiles exist!).

Guess we will know soon enough, and contact tracing app might assist in showing whether they were the source?

Eod100 · 14-07-2020 05:11PM

Only other shop I'd heard doing this was Vibes and Scribes in Cork. Know in UK they're bringing it in from 24th for all shops. Wonder will it happen here? Nearly better off linking it wearing it on public transport so it's less of an ask.

https://twitter.com/conor_pope/status/1283056458091896833

timmy_mallet · 14-07-2020 05:13PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

While I also think that there should be restrictions on US tourism (excluding legitimate travel reasons etc.), I guess that we will see very quickly if these numbers translate into cases - they have been coming in for a while now no? IN which case if they represent a problem the cases should mount up. As someone said, it depends on whether the types arriving have the profile of people with cases (if such profiles exist!).

Guess we will know soon enough, and contact tracing app might assist in showing whether they were the source?

Right. It doesn't matter where someone comes from. It depends on if they are bloody currently positive and a risk.

The UKers are booking European holidays. The Germans, Dutch etc, doing the same. And here we are worried about a few tourists coming here! Mad. Test at the ports.

Rob A. Bank · 14-07-2020 05:15PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Anyone can 'potentially spread the virus' - where they come from is irrelevant. As a small island nation, we cannot survive without travel. A 2 week quarantine is utterly impractical. Perhaps some of the 99.7% negative testing capacity should be shifted towards our ports instead. If the same positive/negative rate exists there, we can then also forget about travel being a problem.

Are you serious ?

Is this the last 'cry in the wilderness' from the 'herd immunity' flu-bros ?

timmy_mallet · 14-07-2020 05:17PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Only other shop I'd heard doing this was Vibes and Scribes in Cork. Know in UK they're bringing it in from 24th for all shops. Wonder will it happen here? Nearly better off linking it wearing it on public transport so it's less of an ask.

https://twitter.com/conor_pope/status/1283056458091896833

Absurd. Have we forgot that we were all touching the easy singles and breathing on each other in Aldi for 4 months with NO community spread?!

Have we forgotten "2m for 15 minutes".

There was a bloke on our football group suggesting we should all wear masks while playing 5-a-side. Just to give that extra bit of safety. Count me out.

timmy_mallet · 14-07-2020 05:18PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Are you serious ?

Is this the last 'cry in the wilderness' from the 'herd immunity' flu-bros ?

Nice straw-man, there horse.

Are you arguing it does matter where someone comes from rather than if they are currently positive for Covid-19?

is_that_so · 14-07-2020 05:23PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Only other shop I'd heard doing this was Vibes and Scribes in Cork. Know in UK they're bringing it in from 24th for all shops. Wonder will it happen here? Nearly better off linking it wearing it on public transport so it's less of an ask.

https://twitter.com/conor_pope/status/1283056458091896833

Mask usage in shops is low here, under 30% according to the latest market research. In reality it's probably a lot lower as posters have reported. I rarely see 10% or more in masks. The UK still has a lot of new daily cases and are in a rush to get them down, while opening everything up.
Even if they did, the associated fine is draconian, for attempting to buy fundamental items.

All you need for a rapid government U-turn would be a few headlines!

"Granny of 12, prevented from buying milk" or "Supermarket bars widow from buying food for sick child"!

Snickers Man · 14-07-2020 05:24PM

Here are a few graphs which show how various selected large countries, or associations of countries are performing since March.

Snapshot data is taken every four days (usually) from the worldometers website. Last snapshot taken yesterday (July 13th). As can be seen the US is still charging ahead in terms of both identified cases and deaths. Brazil, after a slow start, is becoming dangerously prolific.
The EU 27 curve is already flattening.

Eod100 · 14-07-2020 05:26PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Mask usage in shops is low here, under 30% according to the latest market research. In reality it's probably a lot lower as posters have reported. I rarely see 10% or more in masks. The UK still has a lot of new daily cases and are in a rush to get them down, while opening everything up.
Even if they did, the associated fine is draconian, for attempting to buy fundamental items.

All you need for a rapid government U-turn would be a few headlines!

"Granny of 12, prevented from buying milk" or "Supermarket bars widow from buying food for sick child"!

The phones would be hopping for Joe Duffy in fairness if that happened..

mloc123 · 14-07-2020 05:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Me, no. I think you misinterpreted my post.

Sorry, question not directed at you.. just following on from what you posted

JP Liz V1 · 14-07-2020 05:27PM

I think the government's lazy approach to stopping flights and non quarantine enforcement from Covid hot spots is a huge disgrace and total disrespect to everyone here, from front line hero workers to grieving families and friends, cocooning elderly and kids etc., everyone :mad: well done to businesses losing out on trade but taking a sensible approach stopping unquarantined without proof, why can tests and results not be done at airports, borders and ports

timmy_mallet · 14-07-2020 05:29PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Mask usage in shops is low here, under 30% according to the latest market research. In reality it's probably a lot lower as posters have reported. I rarely see 10% or more in masks. The UK still has a lot of new daily cases and are in a rush to get them down, while opening everything up.
Even if they did, the associated fine is draconian, for attempting to buy fundamental items.

All you need for a rapid government U-turn would be a few headlines!

"Granny of 12, prevented from buying milk" or "Supermarket bars widow from buying food for sick child"!

Would like to see the evidence for masks preventing spread of a respiratory illness in a retail setting.

Given the numbers we've seen from Tesco (which didn't detail if they caught the infection in the store) it could be argued that masks are utterly futile and pointless in those environments (But if it solves 1 case!).

caveat emptor · 14-07-2020 05:34PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Absurd. Have we forgot that we were all touching the easy singles and breathing on each other in Aldi for 4 months with NO community spread?!

Have we forgotten "2m for 15 minutes".

There was a bloke on our football group suggesting we should all wear masks while playing 5-a-side. Just to give that extra bit of safety. Count me out.

Yeah right batman.....no community transmission. You might want to check yourself before you wreck your credibility. 1 in 3 people have no fvcking idea how they got it.

is_that_so · 14-07-2020 05:34PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Would like to see the evidence for masks preventing spread of a respiratory illness in a retail setting.

Given the numbers we've seen from Tesco (which didn't detail if they caught the infection in the store) it could be argued that masks are utterly futile and pointless in those environments (But if it solves 1 case!).

There was an article some time back in The Times which reported similar numbers from Lidl and others. It's probably fair to say it's low or lower risk with the way supermarkets have managed numbers in and out.

ACitizenErased · 14-07-2020 05:35PM

No deaths again today.

32 additional cases.

DOCARCH · 14-07-2020 05:35PM

Went back a couple of pages but did not see mention.

What's the story with the UK today?

1,240 new cases and 138 additional deaths.

That does not sound good!

fritzelly · 14-07-2020 05:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No deaths again today.

32 additional cases.

Thread is about to explode

Santy2015 · 14-07-2020 05:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No deaths again today.

32 additional cases.

32....

ACitizenErased · 14-07-2020 05:36PM

32 additional cases despite only 15 positive tests in the last 24 hours. I'm not sure what they're up to with their reporting.

stephenjmcd · 14-07-2020 05:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No deaths again today.

32 additional cases.

After 11 yesterday and additional 40 odd cases added over the wekeend that never added up to the numbers announced im going to go out on the limb here and suggest something just isn't right with reporting. Case data gave 40 odd extra on Saturday I think but we never announced that many.

But this gives them the ammo to push out phase 4 even though it shouldn't. The headlines will be 32 cases but the reporting is off somewhere.

Gael23 · 14-07-2020 05:37PM

No deaths but 32 cases

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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