Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

is_that_so

Hurrache wrote: »

FFS, it's a worse case scenario. It's hilarious that people are having issues with an answer to a question that was asked. Would they have been happier if it was wrapped in spoiler tags so it could be avoided?

Meh, it's a spurious one, which pays absolutely no attention to anything in the real world. The hilarity is that someone actually went through with the modelling. "Same as this wave" is as good a worst-case model!

ACitizenErased

Latest testing update

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6318
Tests conducted last 7 days: 49,264
Positive tests last 24hrs: 15
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Santy2015

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest testing update

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6318
Tests conducted last 7 days: 49,264
Positive tests last 24hrs: 15
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

10 cases out of that possible?

Rob A. Bank

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Some more Irish businesses standing up where the government has fallen down.

They are taking financial hits for the common good, while the government twiddles it’s thumbs and makes pathetic excuses.

American tourists openly flouting Ireland's Covid-19 quarantine rules

Gregans Castle Hotel, based in the Burren in County Clare, said they "had to turn away two Americans for dinner last week".
"They were renting a house in the area and had flown straight in from Denver."

Another popular Galway bar and restaurant, The King's Head, which usually welcomes tourists with open arms, said "we refused a group of Americans yesterday who admitted that they had just flown in".

New York, New Jersey and Connecticut do not want irresponsible Yanks from Covid hotspot states on their soil, but we still allow them in !

WTF

We tell everyone coming in (not very many) that they need to isolate for 14 days. We have good data on numbers entering, so if it gets concerning can step up actions, especially at immigration control, wheras in NY, NJ etc. they can just drive up the interstate.
Also take a look at arrivals for Newark airport and compare to Dublin
https://www.newarkairport.com/flight-tracker?view=VIEW_DEPARTURE&apt=EWR

ACitizenErased

Santy2015 wrote: »

10 cases out of that possible?

Yup 15 includes re-tests in hospitals etc

Eod100

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Some more Irish businesses standing up where the government has fallen down.

They are taking financial hits for the common good, while the government twiddles it’s thumbs and makes pathetic excuses.

American tourists openly flouting Ireland's Covid-19 quarantine rules

Gregans Castle Hotel, based in the Burren in County Clare, said they "had to turn away two Americans for dinner last week".
"They were renting a house in the area and had flown straight in from Denver."

Another popular Galway bar and restaurant, The King's Head, which usually welcomes tourists with open arms, said "we refused a group of Americans yesterday who admitted that they had just flown in".

New York, New Jersey and Connecticut do not want irresponsible Yanks from Covid hotspot states on their soil, but we still allow them in !

WTF

I think state could exercise powers already have if they wanted. Should be a basic check, if someone's not here on essential travel and is here for 14 day or less from high risk country should be turned away. That deterrent along would decrease lot of non-essential travel.

https://twitter.com/julieoleary90/status/1282385530337009666

A woman from Chile was kept in Mountjoy for over a week without any justifcation so clear state can use all it's powers when it wants to.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0714/1153254-estefany-carolina-alquinta-gonzalez-court/

fritzelly

Is there a list anywhere of recommended masks, fit, breathability and supplier etc anywhere?
Trying to find one of those more rigid ones

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

I think state could exercise powers already have if they wanted. Should be a basic check, if someone's not here on essential travel and is here for 14 day or less from high risk country should be turned away. That deterrent along would decrease lot of non-essential travel.

https://twitter.com/julieoleary90/status/1282385530337009666

A woman from Chile was kept in Mountjoy for over a week without any justifcation so clear state can use all it's powers when it wants to.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0714/1153254-estefany-carolina-alquinta-gonzalez-court/

Immigration are a law onto themselves and can be utterly lax in applying regulations or throw the book at people. They are great fans of onanism and can be very aggressive with foreign students. Couldn't see them try that with an American! Be good to see people roasted over that as it's an Article 40 issue.

timmy_mallet

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest testing update

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6318
Tests conducted last 7 days: 49,264
Positive tests last 24hrs: 15
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

99.7% negative. Crikey.

Are these random tests or are all these people requesting tests due to symptoms?

And if it's a mix, what's the ratio?

Rob A. Bank

Deleted User wrote: »

We tell everyone coming in (not very many) that they need to isolate for 14 days. We have good data on numbers entering, so if it gets concerning can step up actions, especially at immigration control, wheras in NY, NJ etc. they can just drive up the interstate.
Also take a look at arrivals for Newark airport and compare to Dublin
https://www.newarkairport.com/flight-tracker?view=VIEW_DEPARTURE&apt=EWR

Covney said yesterday that 250 people from the states are coming in every day.

1,000 every four days from the country with the most reported infected cases in the world is hardly "(not very many)" !

joeguevara

Eod100 wrote: »

I think state could exercise powers already have if they wanted. Should be a basic check, if someone's not here on essential travel and is here for 14 day or less from high risk country should be turned away. That deterrent along would decrease lot of non-essential travel.

https://twitter.com/julieoleary90/status/1282385530337009666

A woman from Chile was kept in Mountjoy for over a week without any justifcation so clear state can use all it's powers when it wants to.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0714/1153254-estefany-carolina-alquinta-gonzalez-court/

With regards to the Chilean case, it clearly states that the State was wrong for enforcing quarantine, it was unlawful detention and will be forced to be a huge amount in compensation. The Stated didn't even bother to fight it. What did you take from this case?

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

Immigration are a law onto themselves and can be utterly lax in applying regulations or throw people in prison. Couldn't see them try that with an American.

Just to be clear I don't favour throwing anyone in prison, it was more about the powers they have. I think if direction came from government to check how long people from high risk countries (whether Irish or not) are staying in country, where they're staying etc could help filter non-essential travel.

Rob A. Bank

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Covney said yesterday that 250 people from the states are coming in every day.

1,000 every four days from the country with the most reported infected cases in the world is hardly "(not very many)" !

How many are tourists, how many are here for work, how many are returning Irish, how many are getting connecting flights?

bb1234567

JJayoo wrote: »

"BRUSSELS — Up to half of coronavirus-related deaths in Europe are occurring in long-term-care facilities such as nursing homes, the World Health Organization said"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/nursing-homes-coronavirus-deaths-europe/2020/04/23/d635619c-8561-11ea-81a3-9690c9881111_story.html

"More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

Might be best that you look stuff up before posting.

And some of the countries you listed ..Iran.. really so comparable to the west except for nursing home culture?

I have spent a few months in Thailand and it is a beautiful place...but it's also absolutely filthy, eat at any food stall in Bangkok and you will see rats everywhere, during rainy season the drains fill up and the streets are full of rain/sewer water, there is zero health and safety of any shape or form and yet they have shut deaths down hard. Initially I thought it would be hammered by the virus but the fact that wearing masks is a norm, so from day one people had them on and that the older vunerable people are not in big towns cities but instead back at home with contact to a few family members has made the difference.

In my opinion of course..but since this is the internet my opinion is all that counts

Sorry what, where did I say that there wasn't a large number of nursing home deaths in Europe? Never claimed otherwise . You said that the west had large numbers of deaths because of nursing homes infections , this only partly true as I gave several examples of countries with relatively small elderly populations that still have large covid death tolls, meaning there would be large numbers of deaths whether we protected nursing home residents or not. There would have just been less deaths, not as few as Thailand has. If the main reason Thailand had few deaths is because it doesn't have a large elderly population, then Iran India Brazil Ecuador Peru Mexico etc etc would also not have large death tolls for the exact same reason.

Eod100

joeguevara wrote: »

With regards to the Chilean case, it clearly states that the State was wrong for enforcing quarantine, it was unlawful detention and will be forced to be a huge amount in compensation. The Stated didn't even bother to fight it. What did you take from this case?

It wasn't quarantine. I raised it because it shows the powers they have. Clearly used wrongly in this context but shows via tweet I linked to that ''under the Immigration Act 2004 they can refuse someone entry if their entry to the state would be contrary to public policy.''

If that applied to public health guidance of the state then they could use it to ensure compliance with public health guidelines.

timmy_mallet

Deleted User wrote: »

How many are tourists, how many are here for work, how many are returning Irish, how many are getting connecting flights?

I suppose the first question you should ask is, 'how many have or have had COVID-19', because the rest doesn't matter.

joeguevara

Eod100 wrote: »

It wasn't quarantine. I raised it because it shows the powers they have. Clearly used wrongly in this context but shows via tweet I linked to that ''under the Immigration Act 2004 they can refuse someone entry if their entry to the state would be contrary to public policy.''

If that applied to public health guidance of the state then they could use it to ensure compliance with public health guidelines.

refusing entry is different to putting them into a cell though. But I understand what you are saying.

ShineOn7

Eod100

joeguevara wrote: »

refusing entry is different to putting them into a cell though.

I never suggested putting anyone in a cell. I clearly said that there was no justification for State's treatment of the Chilean woman.

It's all in my original post; ''I think state could exercise powers already have if they wanted. Should be a basic check, if someone's not here on essential travel and is here for 14 day or less from high risk country should be turned away. That deterrent along would decrease lot of non-essential travel.''

Using that case as a recent example to demonstrate that ''it's clear state can use all it's powers when it wants to''

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

How many are tourists, how many are here for work, how many are returning Irish, how many are getting connecting flights?

As Glynn commented yesterday having a foreign accent doesn't mean they have no reason to be here.

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

I never suggested putting anyone in a cell. I clearly said that there was no justification for State's treatment of the Chilean woman.

It's all in my original post; ''I think state could exercise powers already have if they wanted. Should be a basic check, if someone's not here on essential travel and is here for 14 day or less from high risk country should be turned away. That deterrent along would decrease lot of non-essential travel.''

Using that case as a recent example to demonstrate that ''it's clear state can use all it's powers when it wants to''

That wasn't the State, that was some twat on a complete power trip.

fritzelly

is_that_so wrote: »

That wasn't the State, that was some twat on a complete power trip.

Was it maybe Bruce

mloc123

is_that_so wrote: »

As Glynn commented yesterday having a foreign accent doesn't mean they have no reason to be here.

My work office has around 10% "Irish" people... The other 90% are... American, French, Italian, Indian, Chinese, Polish etc.. etc...

If you passed some of those in the street, would you assume they are tourists here?

Rob A. Bank

Deleted User wrote: »

How many are tourists, how many are here for work, how many are returning Irish, how many are getting connecting flights?

It does not matter, they all can potentially spread the virus here.

There are now many well documented instances of travelers from the states flouting the self isolation rules, and nothing is being done.

It's a carbon copy of the Italian tourists around St Patrick's Day fiasco. Have we learned nothing ?

Are the Government serious about mitigating the spread of the virus or not ?

ShineOn7

fritzelly wrote: »

Is there a list anywhere of recommended masks, fit, breathability and supplier etc anywhere?
Trying to find one of those more rigid ones

Your best bet is to ask here

Eod100

Deleted User wrote: »

How many are tourists, how many are here for work, how many are returning Irish, how many are getting connecting flights?

The only one there self isolation doesn't apply to is connecting flights assuming they don't leave airport. I think if numbers are as low as made out which they could be then better enforcement of self isolation or mandatory quarantine would be easier to implement not harder.

is_that_so

mloc123 wrote: »

My work office has around 10% "Irish" people... The other 90% are... American, French, Italian, Indian, Chinese, Polish etc.. etc...

If you passed some of those in the street, would you assume they are tourists here?

Me, no. I think you misinterpreted my post.

US2

fritzelly wrote: »

Was it maybe Bruce

Ah Bruce buddy.

is_that_so

fritzelly wrote: »

Was it maybe Bruce

Bruce?

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

That wasn't the State, that was some twat on a complete power trip.

I don't disagree that they were in the wrong in that case but just to better explain, if the state gave guidance to immigration officers to make the specific checks provided they are lawful then it could be an extra tool state has to try to prevent non-essential travel and people not self isolating.