Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

GerryFog

Confirmed UK cases
290,133

New cases
530

UK deaths
44,830

1 in 6 confirmed cases in the UK results in death?

Ficheall

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just for clarification I only comment on two threads about Covid. This and the travel one. I don't appreciate lies.

On this, this raised an eyebrow for me the other day - could you clarify? On the one hand, I don't like prying into personal matters plus it's entirely possible I've misinterpreted, but on the other, you post about honesty a fair bit and have form for haranguing posters thereabout, so I figured I'd ask...

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I worked throughout no change, my wife sat at home for €30 a week less

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife works in retail and has worked continuously since the outbreak neither her or any of her colleagues contracted the virus. She works for a chain and she's not aware of anyone contracting the virus in other stores either.
Btw I didn't say anything was impossible, you made a claim but won't offer any evidence to back it up, why?

schmoo2k

Eod100 wrote: »

How would you know if they were in a high risk category or not to be fair?

Guessing from the tone of the content and their avatars that they were "younger" - maybe they were all immunocompromised in which case understandable levels of anxiousness

schmoo2k

JJayoo wrote: »

Hmmm looking at the low deaths in Thailand makes me think that the nursing homes culture in the west is responsible for the huge death numbers.

What if the vast majority of the resources were used to protect/cocoon vunerable people while keeping the country open? Huge case numbers amongst young healthy people who would then create a buffer between the virus and the vunerable.

Its probably also responsible for the >5 year life expectancy?

Eod100

schmoo2k wrote: »

Guessing from the tone of the content and their avatars that they were "younger" - maybe they were all immunocompromised in which case understandable levels of anxiousness

Well there's a spectrum of course. Could have asthma, heart issues, diabetes, cystic fibrosis all relatively common issues. And of course don't have to have specific health issues to be concerned so their medical history is a bit of a moot point overall.

schmoo2k

GerryFog wrote: »

Confirmed UK cases
290,133

New cases
530

UK deaths
44,830

1 in 6 confirmed cases in the UK results in death?

Correct - but this says more about the testing than the death rate. (IOW if you only tested people in ICU the figure would be really bad).

schmoo2k

Eod100 wrote: »

Well there's a spectrum of course. Could have asthma, heart issues, diabetes, cystic fibrosis all relatively common issues. And of course don't have to have specific health issues to be concerned so their medical history is a bit of a moot point overall.

I agree 100% with your point - but its out of context WRT to what comes across on the twitter feed in question, where the vast majority of posters appeared to be posting from a position of normal health.

brick tamland

GerryFog wrote: »

Confirmed UK cases
290,133

New cases
530

UK deaths
44,830

1 in 6 confirmed cases in the UK results in death?

sure there policy was not to test for months

the death rate in the UK is like everywhere else most probably, way less that 1%, work out the total cases that way.

s1ippy

Yeah like if you have "normal health" just go around playing Hurley and licking railings to your heart's content and then hug your elderly people, by all means.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-from-italy-effects-of-covid-19-could-be-worse-than-first-thought-12027348

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/covid-19-causes-far-more-symptoms-than-first-suspected-2260587

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

Those people in that Twitter thread are such scaredy cats, I bet they'll have to get their mommies to look after them. I'm impressed there are such hard men on here without any fear, how incredibly brave.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1282711931913220100

Hector Savage

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-07-14/barcelona-hospital-chief-the-situation-in-lleida-has-clearly-gotten-out-of-hand.html

Situation in Spain is getting really bad again.
As usual they have learned nothing from the 1st wave, full lockdown within the next week or so.

So depressing - this crap will go on for DECADES!

Away With The Fairies

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1282711931913220100

Skip New York, fly on over to Ireland. No masks and no quarantine. The American dream.

cnocbui

El Sueño wrote: »

I'm not talking about anecdotes from people that got symptoms a couple of times, I'm talking about actual scientific evidence that one can get reinfected with COVID-19.

Those are two completely different things.

Since you don't accept the veracity of reports from clinicians treating infected patients, there is clearly nothing further to discuss.

caveat emptor

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1282711931913220100

Has he not seen Leo’s latest talking points? We are not able to do it because.....

• It is difficult legally.
• countries that did mandatory quarantine actually
• ended up with clusters in those quarantine centres.

So we are going to for the random clusters in holiday settings instead which is much more manageable than having cases in a quarantine setting. Does that make sense to anyone?

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1282969784741658624?s=21

JJayoo

schmoo2k wrote: »

Its probably also responsible for the >5 year life expectancy?

If your gonna ask a question it would help if it made sense.

cnocbui

JJayoo wrote: »

Hmmm looking at the low deaths in Thailand makes me think that the nursing homes culture in the west is responsible for the huge death numbers.

What if the vast majority of the resources were used to protect/cocoon vunerable people while keeping the country open? Huge case numbers amongst young healthy people who would then create a buffer between the virus and the vunerable.

There would only be about 4 countries in Asia whose reporting I would take without a sack of salt, and Thailand isn't one of them. I think you will find that Thailand has quite a thriving retirement home industry, populated by western customers. Even some Germans ship off mum and dad there because the costs are lower and the standards possibly higher.

Gruffalux

cnocbui wrote: »

There would only be about 4 countries in Asia whose reporting I would take without a sack of salt, and Thailand isn't one of them. I think you will find that Thailand has quite a thriving retirement home industry, populated by western customers. Even some Germans ship off mum and dad there because the costs are lower and the standards possibly higher.

Must tell my kids would not be half bad to be shoved off to a retirement home in Thailand.

caveat emptor

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1282711931913220100

Now there's trouble busin' in from outta state
And the A.G can't get no relief
Gonna be a rumble out on the promenade
And the grand coalition is hangin' on by the skin of its teeth

Santy2015

I think they’ve made a mistake!! ;-)

ACitizenErased

GerryFog wrote: »

Confirmed UK cases
290,133

New cases
530

UK deaths
44,830

1 in 6 confirmed cases in the UK results in death?

The UK’s testing system is among the worst in the world imo

Santy2015

Just heard about a small cluster in a nursing home as well near mallow

JJayoo

bb1234567 wrote: »

Bizarre to come to that conclusion based on the outcome in just one country. What about the large numbers of deaths in many countries without nursing home cultures, Brazil, Chile, Peru,Iran, Ecuador, Mexico etc. USA has likely had in excess of 100,000 deaths outside nursing homes. Thailand likely simply had no major outbreak.

"BRUSSELS — Up to half of coronavirus-related deaths in Europe are occurring in long-term-care facilities such as nursing homes, the World Health Organization said"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/nursing-homes-coronavirus-deaths-europe/2020/04/23/d635619c-8561-11ea-81a3-9690c9881111_story.html

"More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

Might be best that you look stuff up before posting.

And some of the countries you listed ..Iran.. really so comparable to the west except for nursing home culture?

I have spent a few months in Thailand and it is a beautiful place...but it's also absolutely filthy, eat at any food stall in Bangkok and you will see rats everywhere, during rainy season the drains fill up and the streets are full of rain/sewer water, there is zero health and safety of any shape or form and yet they have shut deaths down hard. Initially I thought it would be hammered by the virus but the fact that wearing masks is a norm, so from day one people had them on and that the older vunerable people are not in big towns cities but instead back at home with contact to a few family members has made the difference.

In my opinion of course..but since this is the internet my opinion is all that counts

US2

What about all these youngfellows infected at a house party, not showing up in the figures. More scaremongering?

JJayoo

cnocbui wrote: »

There would only be about 4 countries in Asia whose reporting I would take without a sack of salt, and Thailand isn't one of them. I think you will find that Thailand has quite a thriving retirement home industry, populated by western customers. Even some Germans ship off mum and dad there because the costs are lower and the standards possibly higher.

I would believe their figures for one reason, the country relies so heavily on tourism but international travel has been completely banned and had been for weeks.

ixoy

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-07-14/barcelona-hospital-chief-the-situation-in-lleida-has-clearly-gotten-out-of-hand.html

Situation in Spain is getting really bad again.

I don't see anything there that indicates Spain is getting really bad again. They've got a doctor who is concerned about an outbreak in a region - how does that translate to really bad for the entire country?

So depressing - this crap will go on for DECADES!

Decades?! Where's that coming from.

cnocbui

JJayoo wrote: »

I would believe their figures for one reason, the country relies so heavily on tourism but international travel has been completely banned and had been for weeks.

Funny, that's precisely the same reason I wouldn't trust them.

cnocbui

ixoy wrote: »

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Decades?! Where's that coming from.

The virus could well continue that long, but the measures to try and suppress it would be abandoned within the next year or two.

ACitizenErased

Santy2015 wrote: »

Just heard about a small cluster in a nursing home as well near mallow

Heard that too from two diff people yesterday

robbiezero

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah like if you have "normal health" just go around playing Hurley and licking railings to your heart's content and then hug your elderly people, by all means.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-from-italy-effects-of-covid-19-could-be-worse-than-first-thought-12027348

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/covid-19-causes-far-more-symptoms-than-first-suspected-2260587

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

Those people in that Twitter thread are such scaredy cats, I bet they'll have to get their mommies to look after them. I'm impressed there are such hard men on here without any fear, how incredibly brave.

Not sure if you are referring to me or not and to be honest I don't care.

schmoo2k

JJayoo wrote: »

If your gonna ask a question it would help if it made sense.

If your not going to include the previous quote it really really won't make sense...