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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #5642
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭prunudo


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Was reported at the end of last week, cluster related to a house party and no evidence from public health that any socialising was done outside of the rented house.


    Thank you. One of the issues I've throughout is the vagueness at which they often report cases which can lead to causes undue panic or fear.


  • #5643
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    froog wrote: »
    It's a global pandemic and the virus can spread across borders.

    Yes it "can" or "could" but the numbers in Ireland today allow for Hurley matches and eating in restaurants (while taking appropriate, rationale precautions).


  • #5644
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,548 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Yes it "can" or "could" but the numbers in Ireland today allow for Hurley matches and eating in restaurants (while taking appropriate, rationale precautions).

    Ah Heyor!!!


  • #5645
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    froog wrote: »
    in the simplest possible terms - this thing is rampant across the world right now, it never really slowed down and it is getting worse and worse. until we have a vaccine it's going to be bad. what will make it worse for us here in ireland is people taking zero precautions right now and mocking those who do and are anxious. the tough guy stance some on here have is extremely immature and dangerous. it's what led to the carnage in the US and Brazil right now.

    enjoy the few weeks of freedom lad, really i mean that. I will too.

    Here's the thing it's rampant in certain parts of the world, other parts are suppressing and containing it. I really have to laugh at your claim that we are taking zero precautions.


  • #5646
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I was going to say Michael Martin doesn't have the same ability to make hard decisions. The US travel thing is a major risk. Just like in march. It takes a while for things to get going but get going they do. It's entirely preventable.

    At least he's upping his social media game.



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  • #5647
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1282961027588644866?s=19

    This guy is a football journalist. Not really the best source on a pandemic. Glad to see Italy doing well tho


  • #5648
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,862 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    It's impossible to take any government guidance to those already in Ireland seriously when the big risk from travel is not being managed at all. Mandatory face masks, social distancing in shops, bars etc. completely arbitrary and pointless to try to get people to follow while the borders are entirely ignored. The only thing I think of is that the risk from the virus has been assessed as against the effort and cost required to implement proper enforcement at borders and it has been determined to be worth taking.
    The Ford Pinto approach.
    https://www.tortmuseum.org/ford-pinto/


  • #5649
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    prunudo wrote: »
    Thank you. One of the issues I've throughout is the vagueness at which they often report cases which can lead to causes undue panic or fear.

    No worries.

    Yeah I agree theres vagueness, have to rely on local reports for this. Cluster seems to have been tracked and brought under control


  • #5650
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This guy is a football journalist. Not really the best source on a pandemic. Glad to see Italy doing well tho

    he's been giving frequent updates throughout since Italy went under lockdown initially. Its been quite insightful and posted a few of his videos here before.

    He gives updates on the situation, local restrictions etc


  • #5651
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I wouldn't make assumptions based on personal experience. Not saying its normal but it is common and was even before a pandemic. People with underlying conditions or past illness could be more susceptible. That's understandable to me.

    Perfectly understandable to me too, but that doesn't account for healthy people who seem to display irrational high levels of fear. Although, it was Twitter and on it and some other social media there are groups of people who pursue Covid fear and anxiety as though it were the latest fad.


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  • #5652
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    I don't think there were many in that thread working in healthcare to be fair - also not that many who would be in a high risk category even...

    How would you know if they were in a high risk category or not to be fair?


  • #5653
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This guy is a football journalist. Not really the best source on a pandemic. Glad to see Italy doing well tho

    To be honest, I'd take this football journalist over most of the so called journalists we have in this country at the moment.


  • #5654
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I already provided multiple links reporting a second bout of symptoms.

    I'm not talking about anecdotes from people that got symptoms a couple of times, I'm talking about actual scientific evidence that one can get reinfected with COVID-19.

    Those are two completely different things.


  • #5655
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,862 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think mandatory quarantine would deter a lot of people from coming if it's not for non-essential travel.

    If it's you have to stay in say Citywest for 14 days, unless for hardship exceptions like travelling for funeral or to visit terminally ill relative (once you have negative test) then numbers would drop.
    You would have to wait days before being tested due to the incubation period. Someone recently exposed to the virus might not test positive if tested immediately on arrival. It could be several days later before the virus has multiplied sufficiently to produce a viral load that would result in a positive test.

    Testing might be able reduce a quarantine period but it doesn't completely replace it.

    Compassionate grounds for leaving quarantine to see a sick relative was the source of new cases in New Zealand after they had all but eradicated CoViD-19

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/new-zealand-records-first-new-covid-19-cases-after-women-arrive-from-uk-carrying-virus


  • #5656
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    That's grim, genuinely I'm beginning to wonder do people actually enjoy this level of fear.

    How very empathetic of you. I’m sure you’d tell someone with a broken leg to walk it off like telling someone suffering with anxiety to cheer up or snap out of it. Nobody enjoys this level of fear or anxiety and to think they do is pure ignorance. The media have whipped up a lot of fear and plenty of people who had never had issues with anxiety will be feeling anxious. It will put a lot of strain on mental health services for a long time to come.


  • #5657
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,841 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Hmmm looking at the low deaths in Thailand makes me think that the nursing homes culture in the west is responsible for the huge death numbers.

    What if the vast majority of the resources were used to protect/cocoon vunerable people while keeping the country open? Huge case numbers amongst young healthy people who would then create a buffer between the virus and the vunerable.


  • #5658
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    How very empathetic of you. I’m sure you’d tell someone with a broken leg to walk it off like telling someone suffering with anxiety to cheer up or snap out of it. Nobody enjoys this level of fear or anxiety and to think they do is pure ignorance. The media have whipped up a lot of fear and plenty of people who had never had issues with anxiety will be feeling anxious. It will put a lot of strain on mental health services for a long time to come.
    You don't know me so less of the assumptions it does nothing for any point you are trying to make.


  • #5659
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You don't know me so less of the assumptions it does nothing for any point you are trying to make.

    And yet you are never slow in coming forward to regularly assume others are ''enjoying'' the doom and gloom. If you can dish it out, then you have to take it.


  • #5660
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I think trust is waning. I won't be following any advice when it comes. If things do get bad, I'll look out for my family, friends, community in that order. Absolute joke of a government.
    • Telling us not to travel while simultaneously allowing people from the most infected country on the planet come here and holiday.
    • Actually advertising the place as a remote hideaway.
    • Hiding behind the attorney general when they are the legislators

    https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1282978145155440641?s=20


  • #5661
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You don't know me so less of the assumptions it does nothing for any point you are trying to make.

    Gas stuff. I’ll take what I can see from your posts as you seem to from many others.

    The understanding of this virus here in early March was that 100% were susceptible and if that came to pass, the initial fear was needed to get people to comply. It didn’t come to pass thankfully and unfortunately the scenario of someone reliably coming out and saying “it’s safe” is not going to happen any time soon, which is what many may need to feel comfortable again. I’ve come to terms with it, but March was a dark month for me personally. Plenty of others will not feel comfortable after consuming so much media for the last few months, whether they were working or “just” sat at home on their couches.


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  • #5662
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Hmmm looking at the low deaths in Thailand makes me think that the nursing homes culture in the west is responsible for the huge death numbers.

    What if the vast majority of the resources were used to protect/cocoon vunerable people while keeping the country open? Huge case numbers amongst young healthy people who would then create a buffer between the virus and the vunerable.

    Bizarre to come to that conclusion based on the outcome in just one country. What about the large numbers of deaths in many countries without nursing home cultures, Brazil, Chile, Peru,Iran, Ecuador, Mexico etc. USA has likely had in excess of 100,000 deaths outside nursing homes. Thailand likely simply had no major outbreak.


  • #5663
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    And yet you are never slow in coming forward to regularly assume others are ''enjoying'' the doom and gloom. If you can dish it out, then you have to take it.

    I said I wonder do people enjoy the fear. Post is still there. You need to read correctly.


  • #5664
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    polesheep wrote: »
    To be honest, I'd take this football journalist over most of the so called journalists we have in this country at the moment.

    He is quoting real data and says that even if there is advice that a mask is not needed it is better to wear one. I agree - football journalist or not he is quoting facts and giving good advice.


  • #5665
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I said I wonder do people enjoy the fear. Post is still there. You need to read correctly.

    You have wondered that in a hundred different ways over the course of many threads to the point that anyone expressing any level of concern about coronavirus is regularly impugned for being some sort of a fool.
    Everybody has a different way of responding to this, and that is mainly because shag all of us know in truth what the future will bring, and 2020 has been, in all fairness, quite a bit of a head wreck already. Personally I am reasonably sanguine, I do not crave the pub, I can work from home,I have a wild landscape all round me to explore etc., but this has all been and continues to be a very weird time. I think people should be allowed to express how they feel about it - including scared or whatever - without being made to feel in any way like slack-jawed shut-ins.


  • #5666
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    You have wondered that in a hundred different ways over the course of many threads to the point that anyone expressing any level of concern about coronavirus is regularly impugned for being some sort of a fool.
    Everybody has a different way of responding to this, and that is mainly because shag all of us know in truth what the future will bring, and 2020 has been, in all fairness, quite a bit of a head wreck already. Personally I am reasonably sanguine, I do not crave the pub, I can work from home,I have a wild landscape all round me to explore etc., but this has all been and continues to be a very weird time. I think people should be allowed to express how they feel about it - including scared or whatever - without being made to feel in any way like slack-jawed shut-ins.

    'You have wondered that in a hundred different ways' seriously can you not respond without blatant exaggeration?
    Just for clarification I only comment on two threads about Covid. This and the travel one. I don't appreciate lies.


  • #5667
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    'You have wondered that in a hundred different ways' seriously can you not respond without blatant exaggeration?
    Just for clarification I only comment on two threads about Covid. This and the travel one. I don't appreciate lies.

    This is I believe the 19th iteration of this thread.


  • #5668
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    This is I believe the 19th iteration of this thread.

    Merged. As I said drop the exaggeraton . You don't like my comments that's fine address them but don't make up stuff.


  • #5669
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    And yet you are never slow in coming forward to regularly assume others are ''enjoying'' the doom and gloom. If you can dish it out, then you have to take it.

    This comment is such a deja vu. I have read it before long back.


  • #5670
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Renjit wrote: »
    This comment is such a deja vu. I have read it before long back.

    It's a weird world.

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  • #5671
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Meanwhile in the US they are blaming travel from New York for seeding outbreaks in other states.
    New York blamed travel from Europe.
    Europe blamed travel from China.
    Can we do the same when travel from those areas seed outbreaks here? etc. etc. etc.
    Circular logic at it's finest.

    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1282490466785607680?s=20


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