Is it just me or have SF vanished?

timthumbni wrote: »

That’s possibility correct I suppose. But I am very “educated” regarding the troubles. I take it you aren’t from NI. ?

No I'm not but I'm extremely educated on the subject.

Only if you lived in a Catholic area during the troubles would you actually know what it was really like, 24 hour surveillance of the civilian population, heavy occupation, even if you're an elderly woman you would be stopped and searched on the street, and if you were around in the early 70s in those areas you were literally living through a guerilla war similar to parts of the middle East.

Adam9213 wrote: »

No I'm not but I'm extremely educated on the subject.

Only if you lived in a Catholic area during the troubles would you actually know what it was really like, 24 hour surveillance of the civilian population, heavy occupation, even if you're an elderly woman you would be stopped and searched on the street, and if you were around in the early 70s in those areas you were literally living through a guerilla war similar to parts of the middle East.

Ok. My parents were stopped and searched all the time too and they weren’t catholics. That was the security services trying to stop knucklehead loyalist and republican terrorists from murdering people in general in NI.

You didn’t experience it and so therefore not much point in continuing this. Have a good night and don’t blindly believe what others tell you. Ta.

Adam9213 wrote: »

Even if that's true and not just an anecdotal case just to get your point across which it more than likely is they weren't stopped and searched to anywhere near the extent as if they lived in a Catholic area and if you deny that then I doubt you can even name the 6 counties.

Catholic areas were literally occupied, back in the early 70s Northern Ireland was the most heavily militarized zone on the planet and most of the soldiers (not all) were confined to Catholic areas.

Hmmm. Is that possibly because the terrorist grouping most associated with attacking them were from within a particular community? What do you think?

You have to know (and I realise you have no notion personally) that a lot of areas were and still are mixed out with the cities so everyone experienced the army/police stopping them.

Belfast/Londonderry different of course but sure even now you wouldn’t want to park your car around plenty of areas of west Belfast or the bogside.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I visit the bogside regularly, every time Dundalk play Derry away and the locals are as welcoming as any other part of Ireland.

Watched this year's All Ireland replay in a pub on the bogside before a Cup final for Dundalk and the locals had great craic with us[/QUOTE

I’m sure you have a lot in common though. I always find Londonderry such a depressing town. The bogside looks like something from a soviet architect’s nightmare. And let’s face it, it’s a town and a pretty depressing one at that. Northern Ireland has really only one proper city and that’s Belfast.

Londonderry, Lisburn, and Newry are taking the pish.

timthumbni wrote: »

Hmmm. Is that possibly because the terrorist grouping most associated with attacking them were from within a particular community? What do you think?

You have to know (and I realise you have no notion personally) that a lot of areas were and still are mixed out with the cities so everyone experienced the army/police stopping them.

Belfast/Londonderry different of course but sure even now you wouldn’t want to park your car around plenty of areas of west Belfast or the bogside.

Yeah that's exactly the reason why, I thought that was obvious don't know why you're asking me.

My point is just that the guerilla war was based around those areas, that's where the war was, I know that everyone got stopped by the army but nowhere near as much as the people in the Catholic areas.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

You wouldn't want to park your car around many parts of every town/city in the world.

I don't know what he's on about tbh, pretty sure he's not even from Northern Ireland and is just making up anecdotes to make his points seem more valuable.

Adam9213 wrote: »

I don't know what he's on about tbh, pretty sure he's not even from Northern Ireland.

I realise you don’t know (😂)but even some of the bots on here will know and confirm to you I’m definitely from NI. I’m a NI unionist. You may not have heard of them.

Adam9213 wrote: »

Let's just say I'm not a fan of them.

A man of your non experience? I’m shocked.

timthumbni wrote: »

A man of your non experience? I’m shocked.

And what experience do you have? None at all just that you live on the other side of the border and think that makes you a historian on the troubles.

I think I know about it because I'm fascinated by it and I used to and still do sometimes spend hours reading up about it I don't think there's really anyone who knows more about it than me unless you have private information which has never been released to the public.

I'm Irish meaning it's my history no matter what county I live in.

timthumbni wrote: »

A man of your non experience? I’m shocked.

I have nothing against unionists personally it's the ideology I'm against, it was brought over here in the 1600s to control Ulster (which is still working to this day) which was the most rebellious part of Ireland and the ideology still exists today so I'll never be okay with the ideology.

timthumbni wrote: »

Hmmm. Then you will realise that in the modern day troubles in NI that the ira murdered more people than anyone else involved. They also murdered a hell of a lot of catholics. Many more than the hated RUC for example.

I suggest that you digest that and then come back.

According to CAIN, the IRA was responsible for at least 1,705 deaths, about 48% of the total conflict deaths. Of these, at least 1,009 (about 59%) were members or former members of the British security forces, while at least 508 (about 29%) were civilians.

The civilian figure also includes civilians employed by British forces, politicians, members of the judiciary, and alleged criminals and informers. Most of the remainder were loyalist or republican paramilitary members; including over 100 IRA members accidentally killed by their own bombs or shot for being security force agents or informers. Overall, the IRA was responsible for over 90% of the total British security force deaths, and 27–30% of the total civilian deaths in the conflict.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

No reply to me that I've parked in bogside on many occasions with no issues.

Wonder why?

Are you serious? I could park on the shankill road but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone visiting Belfast. That’s no matter if you were unionist or republican. I’ve saw your posts on here. I’m sure you are welcome in the boggside.

West Belfast has always had a problem with anti social behaviour. Even country bogger republicans won’t park their car there unless they want it wrapped around the balls on the falls by some spide.

Truthvader wrote: »

So Francie, again, all those illegal fuel depos in your area? Made your complaint yet or are you turning a blind eye. Uncle Gerry would be urging you as I am to report this criminality to the Guards or PSNI. Nothing to worry about Francie you keep telling us the war is over and the IRA heroes are gone away.

Or just maybe you know the sordid truth that it would be very inadvisable indeed to make any report at all

I do not turn a blind eye to any criminal activity.

And it wasn't the point, the point you are desperately trying to deflect for is that, if I know and can see this going on why are the security forces ignoring it.

It is easier for you and others to portray the community as silent in complicity.

Adam9213 wrote: »

Your point about the RUC isn't really fair as most loyalist killings were orchestrated by the British state so most loyalist killings may as well be counted as deaths by the security forces.

Adam9213 wrote: »

And what experience do you have? None at all just that you live on the other side of the border and think that makes you a historian on the troubles.

I think I know about it because I'm fascinated by it and I used to and still do sometimes spend hours reading up about it I don't think there's really anyone who knows more about it than me unless you have private information which has never been released to the public.

I'm Irish meaning it's my history no matter what county I live in.

Your two posts contradict each other, particularly the points in bold.

I would guess that if you are reading as much as you say, all of your purchases were made in Parnell Square.