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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Yet the governments push on with antibody tests. It is impossible to measure full seroprevalence without also testing t-cells.

    I do wonder though if it's just wishful thinking? LIke I guess the reason for this belief is because of the high infectiousness and the surprinsingly low level of antibodies among the population given that. But that's just the general population, in particular areas of hotspots such as Bergmao and NYC antibody levels are at herd immunity levels.

    If this theory was to stand up why would we be seeing this trend in any areas? Wouldn't everywhere appear to have falsely low levels of immunity presence then, with low levels of antibodies across the board in all instances?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    France new cases accelerated. 7 day average now approaching 700 was 500 two weeks ago.


    Spain has 35 times more cases than Ireland per capita despite only having 9 times the population.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Measuring T-Cells is not that easy.

    Still means they shouldn’t be doing seroprevalence tests because they’re not accurate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Studies being performed into longer term symptoms. If found that large proportion have long term heath issues might make zero tolerance approach more favourable in long run.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=content-shareicons&utm_content=article_engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=071020#.Xwhp49ca-rg.twitter

    From April 21 to May 29, 2020, 179 patients were potentially eligible for the follow-up post–acute care assessment; 14 individuals (8%) refused to participate and 22 had a positive test result. Thus, 143 patients were included. The mean age was 56.5 (SD, 14.6) years (range, 19-84 years), and 53 (37%) were women. During hospitalization, 72.7% of participants had evidence of interstitial pneumonia. The mean length of hospital stay was 13.5 (SD, 9.7) days; 21 patients (15%) received noninvasive ventilation and 7 patients (5%) received invasive ventilation. The characteristics of the study population are summarized in the Table.

    Patients were assessed a mean of 60.3 (SD, 13.6) days after onset of the first COVID-19 symptom; at the time of the evaluation, only 18 (12.6%) were completely free of any COVID-19–related symptom, while 32% had 1 or 2 symptoms and 55% had 3 or more. None of the patients had fever or any signs or symptoms of acute illness. Worsened quality of life was observed among 44.1% of patients. The Figure shows that a high proportion of individuals still reported fatigue (53.1%), dyspnea (43.4%), joint pain, (27.3%) and chest pain (21.7%).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    France new cases accelerated. 7 day average now approaching 700 was 500 two weeks ago.


    Spain has 35 times more cases than Ireland per capita despite only having 9 times the population.


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    France is reporting large numbers of cases from their overseas territories, in particular seems to be issues in their African territories.

    Spain is now reporting clusters in areas locked down again while also reporting anti body tests as part of the daily figures so they're not exactly active cases.

    Not disputing the increase of cases, it was always expected when things started to reopen but worth looking into the figures to see the breakdown


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,177 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Studies being performed into longer term symptoms. If found that large proportion have long term heath issues might make zero tolerance approach more favourable in long run.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=content-shareicons&utm_content=article_engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=071020#.Xwhp49ca-rg.twitter

    A minority of a small percentage - those admitted to hospital - is an even smaller percentage. I wonder what the mean age of the 44.1% was?

    There is more than enough over the top reaction to this crisis already, without advocating more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Studies being performed into longer term symptoms. If found that large proportion have long term heath issues might make zero tolerance approach more favourable in long run.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=content-shareicons&utm_content=article_engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=071020#.Xwhp49ca-rg.twitter




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    I was just reading about this and Fauci basically saying they just don’t know yet how it effects children in terms of spreading Potential. Says on CNN that they are seeing how 2000 families with infected children are working out. Really feels like this is one of those things that’s light on science evidence but is being thrown around for societal convenience (we really do need children in school).

    I’ve not seen clear evidence yet that explains why “children don’t spread disease”. Just vague statements that they don’t think they do. But if children don’t usually get bad doses or have symptoms it stands to reason they won’t be tested. Does anybody know of any credible tests done that shows and explains why this line of thinking on children is being taken by default? (That they don’t really spread).

    Also, for anybody who has watched medical videos on the virus, there is still so much they don’t fully understand. If you get sick now, you have a better chance of survival now then you did 6 months ago. But the same can hopefully be said in another 6 months. That’s why it’s imperative to mitigate the chances of a second surge.

    Contact tracing App and mandatory masks is an excellent start. Have to give our government thumbs up on that, but we must do more to put infrastructure in place. The more we do now, pre - emptive strategies, the better we can handle this in the long term. Monitoring visitors in and out is an obvious one. The cynic in new thinks the government may wait until end of summer to properly regulate this to help tourism while the numbers are low.

    I heard Aldi or Lidl are trialing shop deliveries (can’t remember where I heard that), this is a positive. I’d hope most companies who can, will maintain workers working from home until next year at least. The contact tracing APP will hopefully help us see the true areas where the virus spread the most. Pubs in particular may be cleared or shown to be bad places for spread. Either way, this information can hopefully at least be used to get people and pub owners to be more responsible.

    I think it’s all about adapting ourselves to the virus in a manner that we can still lead somewhat normal lives. I’m confident we can do it, but we need to use the summer wisely. I’m working on a new service to basically have zoom meetings. My business has been 100% face to face meetings up until COVId so I’m not finding it easy but I’ve accepted this is my best chance of maintaining a company over the coming months/years. Instead of fighting it, I would love to see our country showing innovation and ways of working around it, instead of trying to force things back to normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Bit of news there from Kerry.
    https://twitter.com/jerosullivanrk/status/1281879407070715904?s=21
    The group rented in Killarney, did not visit pubs or resturants and socalised by way of house parties. All of the group have left Kerry. They travelled by car except one public transport trip in another county which is being followed up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Not sure if anyone posted this but the US reported a record 71128 cases yesterday.

    The USA, Brazil and India accounted for over 60% of yesterday’s total cases.

    Some times I think (and I guess it is a widely held view) that it doesn't really matter who is in power. But, wow in interesting times I guess it does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Drumpot wrote: »
    they just don’t know yet how it effects children in terms of spreading Potential

    Yeah I don’t get the logic that kids magically don’t spread this disease.

    Largest outbreak in Australia so far is in a school. 113 cases so far related to it. I’d be 95% confident that they can spread it.


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/al-taqwa-college-coronavirus-covid19-cluster-melbourne-truganina/12437584


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Some times I think (and I guess it is a widely held view) that it doesn't really matter who is in power. But, wow in interesting times I guess it does.

    People (majority) get the government they deserve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Yeah I don’t get the logic that kids magically don’t spread this disease.

    Largest outbreak in Australia so far is in a school. 113 cases so far related to it. I’d be 95% confident that they can spread it.


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/al-taqwa-college-coronavirus-covid19-cluster-melbourne-truganina/12437584

    Looking at it from an Irish perspective, our kids have been home since the start of this, so the only people they could catch it from are their parents (in most cases). They have no one to pass it on to then. We won’t know how much it spreads through children until they are back at school. And even then, if a lot of them are asymptotic it could take a while to see it spread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd



    Just after reading that, one question came to mind for me, what sort of holiday makers rent a house essentially just for a house party, no restaurants, bars visited etc.

    To me that stinks of a staycation, rent a house down the country and judging by the age group potentially a family.

    Now I could be wrong but sounds very much like a staycation with little interaction in Killarney


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Just after reading that, one question came to mind for me, what sort of holiday makers rent a house essentially just for a house party, no restaurants, bars visited etc.

    To me that stinks of a staycation, rent a house down the country and judging by the age group potentially a family.

    Now I could be wrong but sounds very much like a staycation with little interaction in Killarney

    Yeah they must have known people down there or had family it makes no sense otherwise. Should be easy enough to trace besides maybe the public transport bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    All these reports of long term effects. It hasn't been around long term. So they've no idea if there will be people in 20 or 30 years with problems due to catching Covid 19 on 2020. Any damage seen now in certain organs has no guarantee of being permanent and could heal naturally. It's important to highlight potential risks considering its a novel virus. But a lot of these articles come off as one trying to out do the other in how bad this is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I was just reading about this and Fauci basically saying they just don’t know yet how it effects children in terms of spreading Potential. Says on CNN that they are seeing how 2000 families with infected children are working out. Really feels like this is one of those things that’s light on science evidence but is being thrown around for societal convenience (we really do need children in school).

    I’ve not seen clear evidence yet that explains why “children don’t spread disease”. Just vague statements that they don’t think they do. But if children don’t usually get bad doses or have symptoms it stands to reason they won’t be tested. Does anybody know of any credible tests done that shows and explains why this line of thinking on children is being taken by default? (That they don’t really spread).

    Also, for anybody who has watched medical videos on the virus, there is still so much they don’t fully understand. If you get sick now, you have a better chance of survival now then you did 6 months ago. But the same can hopefully be said in another 6 months. That’s why it’s imperative to mitigate the chances of a second surge.

    Contact tracing App and mandatory masks is an excellent start. Have to give our government thumbs up on that, but we must do more to put infrastructure in place. The more we do now, pre - emptive strategies, the better we can handle this in the long term. Monitoring visitors in and out is an obvious one. The cynic in new thinks the government may wait until end of summer to properly regulate this to help tourism while the numbers are low.

    I heard Aldi or Lidl are trialing shop deliveries
    (can’t remember where I heard that), this is a positive. I’d hope most companies who can, will maintain workers working from home until next year at least. The contact tracing APP will hopefully help us see the true areas where the virus spread the most. Pubs in particular may be cleared or shown to be bad places for spread. Either way, this information can hopefully at least be used to get people and pub owners to be more responsible.

    I think it’s all about adapting ourselves to the virus in a manner that we can still lead somewhat normal lives. I’m confident we can do it, but we need to use the summer wisely. I’m working on a new service to basically have zoom meetings. My business has been 100% face to face meetings up until COVId so I’m not finding it easy but I’ve accepted this is my best chance of maintaining a company over the coming months/years. Instead of fighting it, I would love to see our country showing innovation and ways of working around it, instead of trying to force things back to normal.

    Oh my god, are they going down the route of online grocery shopping and online special buys shopping? This is the biggest news ever if they are. I've been crying out loud for years for aldi and lidl to get on board with the online grocery shopping and home deliveries. It would be great news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Renjit wrote: »
    People (majority) get the government they deserve.

    I doubt that would have been the consensus view in Ireland 160 years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GerryFog


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

    One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

    The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Heard from people working in Dame Lane area that yesterday was much quieter than last Friday night. Seems based on last night to be as was expected the first weekend to be the busiest and then calm down. Like we've seen in other sectors a busy week followed by a calming down.

    Also spotted this on twitter

    https://twitter.com/AbiePB/status/1281719851216666626?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Heard from people working in Dame Lane area that yesterday was much quieter than last Friday night. Seems based on last night to be as was expected the first weekend to be the busiest and then calm down. Like we've seen in other sectors a busy week followed by a calming down.

    Also spotted this on twitter

    https://twitter.com/AbiePB/status/1281719851216666626?s=19

    Great to see. Irish people aren’t that stupid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    in the words of my 93 year old grandfather "I've not lived this long to go out with a whimper". The man goes to the shops daily for his paper, he went to the pub for a Guinness last week. That really said alot to me he doesn't want to waste away any time and he said to me live life without fear, take your precautions but you'll never get these years back. He's right too.

    Sorry I know you posted this last night but wanted to say I love your grandfathers outlook! My dad is of the same mindset and I admire him for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,244 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Heard from people working in Dame Lane area that yesterday was much quieter than last Friday night. Seems based on last night to be as was expected the first weekend to be the busiest and then calm down. Like we've seen in other sectors a busy week followed by a calming down.

    Also spotted this on twitter

    https://twitter.com/AbiePB/status/1281719851216666626?s=19

    Are those pubs open at all? Or even if open would have closed by then probably? Know a lot of pubs are closing at 10/11 with the food requirement


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,244 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    GerryFog wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

    One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

    The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

    I thought the phrasing of it was odd, ''There have been claims that a person in the group had tested positive for Covid-19 but this was not revealed to others until Sunday.'' When exactly? Presumably before that weekend but when?

    But yeah what an incredibly stupid, reckless and selfish thing to do. If one of my friends did that I'd be furious with them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    GerryFog wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

    One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

    The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

    Imagine being that absolute d1ck that went on to the gathering full well knowing they had coronavirus. Knowing people would be going home to older family. Or maybe the word knowing is inappropriate as cognition is not their strong suit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    They wouldn't be a friend after that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    GerryFog wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

    One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

    The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

    The article says initial reports said they went to pubs but it was then confirmed they did very little movement. One person travelled via public transport. Should be relatively easy to trace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,244 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    The article says initial reports said they went to pubs but it was then confirmed they did very little movement. One person travelled via public transport. Should be relatively easy to trace.

    Yeah very fortunate it wasn't worse. But if it only happened last weekend could still take another week for people to have symptoms too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,177 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Chinese virologist claims Beijing DID cover up coronavirus outbreak and says she has had to flee Hong Kong because 'I know how they treat whistleblowers'

    Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former researcher at the University of Hong Kong, has claimed that she was one of the first to study the virus that became known as Covid-19, but that early research was covered up. When she went to her supervisor at the World Health Organization reference laboratory specialising in influenza viruses and pandemics, she was told to keep working on her research she explained in an interview with Fox News. She believes that her sources were soon silenced too, but she was told of human-to-human transmissions well before the WHO said that it was possible for the virus to spread between people. She has since fled China and Hong Kong, and fears for her life should she ever return.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8510747/Chinese-virologist-claims-Beijing-DID-cover-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    The Chinese really covering themselves with glory this year. Persecuting whistle-blowers, making others disappear, lying, obfuscating, threatening foreign countries, particularly Australia, for wanting an investigation into the origins of the virus, killing foreign health workers by organising a massive state effort to buy up PPE gear in foreign countries before they were aware of how serious it was and that they would soon need the equipment. Having their soldiers weld nails to iron bars to beat Indian soldiers to death with, and of course their efforts to sterilise and wipe out the Uyghurs with a slow genocide.

    You certainly can't accuse them of lack of effort in being as obnoxious as possible.


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  • Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If that person went knowing they had it, they should be charged. You'd get done for manslaughter where i live if anyone died as a result.


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