Masks

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They have the authority to refuse people not wearing masks but their union has said they will not be policing it.

Unfortunately a French bus driver was assaulted and left in a coma this week by scum he confronted about masks. I can see why they wouldn't want the trouble of enforcing it, but you'd like to see their employers put some well-muscled back-up on vehicles.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Transport unions on RTE saying they won't be enforcing it.

What's Transport Minister Ryan saying on the matter?

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Great news. Hopefully it'll be enforced though.
Rules don't seem to suit the Irish.

I envisage people simply removing the mask and straight into handbags or pockets or people wearing them on the chin.

Bus drivers should be afforded the power to physically remove people who remove masks onboard.

Typical load of cr#p from our government.Not enforceable by Gardai for the time being.What are these idiots in Government at.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why just public transport? What about shops?

I'm very worried to go from single digit cases to over 20, two days in a row. And no mandatory masks in shops?

Public transport is more of a risk, more chance of people complying the fewer places its compulsory

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Great news. Hopefully it'll be enforced though.
Rules don't seem to suit the Irish.

I envisage people simply removing the mask and straight into handbags or pockets or people wearing them on the chin.

Bus drivers should be afforded the power to physically remove people who remove masks onboard.

I hope you’re just trolling…if not, I have to say it’s just that sort of attitude that makes Orwell’s 1984 look like prophecy coming true…and it is truly worrying…

ginoginelli wrote: »

Offices are much more concerning than shops. Inside, over a sustained period with the same people, constitutes a high risk. It's a disgrace the government have not made them mandatory in these settings.

Of more concern - yes.

But in those settings, masks are not enough - if I'm sitting next to someone all day within 2 metres unless it's a respirator mask, am gonna breathe in whatever the next person is breathing out. I think in office setup perspex \ cubicles and enforcement of social distancing is more important.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Lads I agree with HSE recommendations etc and support the the wearing of masks etc.

Unfortunately I'm in a position due to health reasons I cannot wear a mask. (Breathing difficulties. - not related to covid)

Is there any sort of a system in place where I can board a bus and not have to explain my case Everytime ? Or a some sort of card to wear around the neck to say I cannot wear a mask so I'm not acusted by other passengers etc

Tough situation. I don't think the process for that has been clarified. If you have asthma or COPD perhaps carry your inhaler with you and in the - what seems unlikely - event you are challenged I think if you present that it will be obvious.
As an suggestion, have you tried breathing through your nose and using the surgical masks? I find that has made masks much more tolerable.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Tough situation. I don't think the process for that has been clarified. If you have asthma or COPD perhaps carry your inhaler with you and in the - what seems unlikely - event you are challenged I think if you present that it will be obvious.
As an suggestion, have you tried breathing through your nose and using the surgical masks? I find that has made masks much more tolerable.

I carry an inhaler, yes. Not a traditional one either a €60 one ! Fancy thing with a twisty bottom !

I was in my doctor's office recently and was required to wear one to see the doctor but when I was with the doctor I was told to take it off. They knew I was struggling with it.

It's not a case I haven't tried, I have. I have 4 reusable and a 10 pack disposable masks but I can't breath right with them on at all so have been advised not to wear them.

The other unfortunate thing here is I do work driving public transport and there have been situations already of people giving out on social media of drivers not wearing them and also not enforcing the rule and also cases and people verbally abusing drivers for the same.

Unfortunately I think the media or government spiraled this whole thing that its either wear a mask or don't leave the house and it's giving people that mentality creating a lynch mob effect

All I really would suggest to the powers that they create some sort of system like a wearable badge to show a mask cannot be worn issued by a gp with some sort of identity on it to avoid mis-use

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I carry an inhaler, yes. Not a traditional one either a €60 one ! Fancy thing with a twisty bottom !
I was in my doctor's office recently and was required to wear one to see the doctor but when I was with the doctor I was told to take it off. They knew I was struggling with it.
It's not a case I haven't tried, I have. I have 4 reusable and a 10 pack disposable masks but I can't breath right with them on at all so have been advised not to wear them.

I think it will be obvious to anyone on seeing the inhaler that you might have legit reason to not wear that mask
That said...

I'm not even sure where you get them but what about one of those star wars looking face visors? It would at least act as a sneeze guard to protect others and would protect you likewise. I think that would be less restrictive on breathing than a surgical mask - though my experience has been that a properly fitted* surgical mask doesn't affect my breathing.
And it might address the concerns you have about the 'optics' of it.

* By properly fitted, I mean fit the metal strip in the mask around the bridge of your nose and 'pop' out the 3 levels of the mask so it stretches from the bridge of your nose to where an adam's apple would be on throat. I fit the mask at a mirror as if I just try to put it on in car before into shops I can't get the fit right.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Of more concern - yes.

But in those settings, masks are not enough - if I'm sitting next to someone all day within 2 metres unless it's a respirator mask, am gonna breathe in whatever the next person is breathing out. I think in office setup perspex \ cubicles and enforcement of social distancing is more important.

True. Masks are not enough. Saying that though, if both parties are wearing surgical masks, it goes a long way in limiting the spread. Now that aerosolization transmission is looking more likely ,if somebody doesn't wear a mask into the office they could infect people well over 2 metres away from them.

Mandatory masking in these settings is a must. Improved ventilation, cleaning, distancing should also be insisted on.

expectationlost wrote: »

Minister for Health signs regulations for the mandatory wearing of face coverings on public transport https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/7e568-minister-for-health-signs-regulations-for-the-mandatory-wearing-of-face-coverings-on-public-transport/

the regs https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/79445/bb49040f-d831-4d42-aa80-1d07e37c0bef.pdf#page=null

its mandatory “face covering” not mandatory masks

There'll be fair few I've an illness excuses Monday.

My hoodie can cover my nose and mouth is that a face covering

alchemist33 wrote:

Unfortunately a French bus driver was assaulted and left in a coma this week by scum he confronted about masks. I can see why they wouldn't want the trouble of enforcing it, but you'd like to see their employers put some well-muscled back-up on vehicles.

There was no issue with enforcement of masks on PT in Czechia. The tram and bus drivers were asking people to feck off if no mask and calling the Police immediately if you started objecting or didn't feck off. Think in the tube the compliance was checked at the entry points by "controllers" who are very tough guys, because their daily job is to check if people have tickets randomly in random services, question them, pin them down and even chase them, worst case they'll bring the guards or actually bring you physically to the police station.

All PT in CZ is free access and is deemed you have a valid ticket, you don't need to buy it on the bus or show it or tap it - but "controllers" check tickets randomly all the time every day, if you're caught with ticket your taken out of the PT, it's not nice they're tough, you pay a nice fine on the spot or given a bill. If you don't pay the bill on time, it goes to debt collectors and then to the court I think, could end up with assets and bank accounts frozen etc.

Different country, different rules, different morals

I see over in France a bus driver stopped two lads getting on the bus with no masks, they bate the sh*te out of him, he was in a coma with brain damage until yesterday when he's family decided to turn off the machine, sad enough I could something like these lines happening in dublin, all because of a piece a cloth over your gob. Mad world we live in now.