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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #3962
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    US2 wrote: »
    I was in a campsite in kerry all of last week and almost every campervan and car had British plates. Yet I'm advised against going to Spain for a week. Good thing I judge the risk myself, I'm off on 27th :)

    Northern Ireland has allowed travel inwards from several European countries including Italy with no quarantine required. It's made a nonsense of the bs being peddled by our elected dithereers. Although I suspect the travel advisory here is more to help save the tourist sector rather than public health.


  • #3963
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    cnocbui wrote: »
    He's right. The submariners on this thread don't like that sort of realistic talk.

    It is about a new normal that everyone lives with. A happy medium based on caution and risk.

    The biggest risk is head in sand in terms of facilitating that new normal and travel right now is the area which most needs clarification. We will need some business travel and people do have family in and outside the State.

    What I would like to see:

    - Temperature checking in airports on departure and arrival (it is not hugely effective but it makes people think).

    - mandatory masks in airports. No mask no flying (unless there is a bona fide exception).

    - advance information pre flight. No information no flight. Spain has had this for years.

    - random and targeted testing on arrival.


    Actions like no cabin cases - grand with that if it is a price of travel.


  • #3964
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I'm a free man and while dr Tony can move his sheep through Dublin I'm entntitled to get locked. end of.

    You've an unhealthy obsession with sheep


  • #3965
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    That’s not my observation of it at all. The social distancing in a lot of places has “gone out the window” and I’m hearing colleagues saying things like “ah sure we never really had any of it in Ireland anyway.”

    Just to give you that cafe example:

    1. Very little evidence of social distancing by customers or staff. Tables were a bit spread out but that was all.

    2. No hand sanitiser on way in.

    3. Shared pour-your-own milk jugs being picked up and handled by hundreds of people.

    4. Not a mask in sight anywhere.

    5. Basically no shielding of any type behind the counter and staff all walking right on top of each other and around each other making sandwiches and coffee without a care in the world it seems.

    Did you get infected; are you all right?


  • #3966
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Just wait and see them start stirring **** when a vaccine is rolled out. We'll get anecdotal stories of their third cousins girlfriends nephew who took the vaccine and sprouted a pair of bollocks on his chin. There is a small cohort of people who just love calamity.

    like the hundred plus who developed narcolepsy after taking Pandermix?
    If even one person sprouts a bollox on their chin, it should be known as a risk anyway!


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  • #3967
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    You've an unhealthy obsession with sheep

    Sure if it was the foot and mouth impacting the sheep, the farmers lobby would have been having us all hosed down at the ports again.

    Sheep have huge influence!

    Seems though this thread is gone as bad as twitter. Can’t really have any sensible conversations about this topic.

    If you raise legitimate concerns, you’re shot down.

    Welcome to the 51st state!


  • #3968
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/bencowling88/status/1281480413249077250


  • #3969
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    YellowBucket wrote: »

    Sheep have huge influence!

    Only when manipulated


  • #3970
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Quoting the current acting chief , the Vaccine will be the fastest vaccine in the history of vaccines!!

    Here's one they prepared earlier!

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-27-who-claims-she-developed-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-vaccine-settles-case-38706179.html

    This was fast tracked....


  • #3971
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    cnocbui wrote: »
    are you all right?

    Are you?

    Seems we’ve reached the arguments of two extremes again: lock down vs totally open.

    Reality is a pragmatic middle ground needs to be reached, minimising risks and moving the economy onwards.

    Go too far towards totally open and you’ll cost us billions. Go too far towards total lockdown and you’ll also cost us billions.


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  • #3972
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    Sure if it was the foot and mouth impacting the sheep, the farmers lobby would have been having us all hosed down at the ports again.

    Sheep have huge influence!

    Seems though this thread is gone as bad as twitter. Can’t really have any sensible conversations about this topic.

    If you raise legitimate concerns, you’re shot down.

    Welcome to the 51st state!

    You wish to have sensible conversation ? btw a post of yours from yesterday was excellent, your claim then today of half of Corks population and businesses( circa 64k) believe there is no risk this is anecdotal nonsense and it's difficult to contrast the two comments and believe they were from the same poster.


  • #3973
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Given the fact that the US have bought up all stocks of Remdesevine, what are the chances they will buy all stocks of the vaccine when it is developed? There'll be killings.


  • #3974
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Quoting the current acting chief , the Vaccine will be the fastest vaccine in the history of vaccines!!

    Here's one they prepared earlier!

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-27-who-claims-she-developed-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-vaccine-settles-case-38706179.html

    This was fast tracked....

    And here we have exhibit A.


  • #3975
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    Are you?

    Seems we’ve reached the arguments of two extremes again: lock down vs totally open.

    Reality is a pragmatic middle ground needs to be reached, minimising risks and moving the economy onwards.

    Go too far towards totally open and you’ll cost us billions. Go too far towards total lockdown and you’ll also cost us billions.

    I'm in favour of normality plus mask wearing in enclosed spaces. The travel industry is the single biggest industry on the planet. 10% of global employment relies on it. We can't afford to have prolonged lockdown destroy it permanently and the related jobs.


  • #3976
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    JDD wrote: »
    Given the fact that the US have bought up all stocks of Remdesevine, what are the chances they will buy all stocks of the vaccine when it is developed? There'll be killings.

    From what I understand Britain will get theirs first as they developed it. I'm not sure whose next in line but Astra zeneca say they can make one billion strains in 2 months so really there's enough for everyone.


  • #3977
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Quoting the current acting chief , the Vaccine will be the fastest vaccine in the history of vaccines!!

    Here's one they prepared earlier!

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-27-who-claims-she-developed-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-vaccine-settles-case-38706179.html

    This was fast tracked....

    There’s literally 0 comparison


  • #3978
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    JDD wrote: »
    Given the fact that the US have bought up all stocks of Remdesevine, what are the chances they will buy all stocks of the vaccine when it is developed? There'll be killings.

    Europe have already pre-purchased 400 million doses


  • #3979
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    From what I understand Britain will get theirs first as they developed it. I'm not sure whose next in line but Astra zeneca say they can make one billion strains in 2 months so really there's enough for everyone.

    The EU collectively have already purchased 400 million doses of the Oxford Vaccine with scope for an additional 200 million should it prove successful in trials.


  • #3980
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    JDD wrote: »
    Given the fact that the US have bought up all stocks of Remdesevine, what are the chances they will buy all stocks of the vaccine when it is developed? There'll be killings.

    They could buy Remdesivir stocks because they were in the US. A vaccine will be a totally different proposition. India have the capacity to manufacture billions of doses.


  • #3981
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You wish to have sensible conversation ? btw a post of yours from yesterday was excellent, your claim then today of half of Corks population and businesses( circa 64k) believe there is no risk this is anecdotal nonsense and it's difficult to contrast the two comments and believe they were from the same poster.

    I raised an issue about an extreme and very obvious inconsistency implementation of and adherence to social distancing and hygiene measures.

    My observation is that they are very patchy. Some places good (some even over the top) and others aren’t bothering and the same applies to individuals.

    Without consistency this isn’t going to work very well and those who are taking it reasonably seriously will have their efforts wasted.

    It’s frustrating in the extreme to walk into a cafe and find it just find nobody’s taking it seriously at all.

    We spent 3 months effectively in a quasi lockdown. I saw my income go down and projects cancelled to achieve some kind of reduction in the spread of this virus and to prevent a health service melt down.

    Then you go into a cafe and encounter people just back to carefree business as usual.

    I want to see business flowing. I don’t want to see business stopped by a second lockdown caused by complacency of a signifiant % of the population.

    There are extremely mixed messages being absorbed, mostly online and mostly from aspects of the US debate, where unfortunately, hard, real facts become debated political topics and reduced to dogmatic matters of opinion.

    I genuinely do think that there’s a level of complacency emerging here.

    I’m also quite confident, the colleagues who are currently not bothering to work within the guideline and sensible levels of precautions are the very same people who default to blaming “the government” (the HSE, RTE) when anything does go wrong.


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  • #3982
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    cnocbui wrote: »
    They could buy Remdesivir stocks because they were in the US. A vaccine will be a totally different proposition. India have the capacity to manufacture billions of doses.

    The more worrying scenario is where countries or health systems stockpile very broadly used drugs like dexamethasone.

    There are reports of that going into short supply and it is one of the essential drugs in a lot of chemotherapy regimens.

    I’m also a bit concerned about some of the rhetoric that came from Trump in the early days of this which seemed to be about finding an economic advantage based on the US obtaining exclusive access to medications, including trying to secure exclusive access to European developed vaccines at one stage as well as his withdrawal from the WHO.

    It would be rather grim to see medications & vaccines being seen as tools of economic war like that.


  • #3983
    pm1977x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭pm1977x


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I'm in favour of normality plus mask wearing in enclosed spaces. The travel industry is the single biggest industry on the planet. 10% of global employment relies on it. We can't afford to have prolonged lockdown destroy it permanently and the related jobs.

    Travel is 10th biggest global industry on this list, by revenue.

    https://www.ibisworld.com/global/industry-trends/biggest-industries-by-revenue/


  • #3984
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU collectively have already purchased 400 million doses of the Oxford Vaccine with scope for an additional 200 million should it prove successful in trials.

    Thats an awful lot of faith money to be laying out on a vaccine that isnt even out of trials yet, lot of positive noises about it but thats about all for the moment.

    Shin


  • #3985
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's an automatic reflex, coughing into one's elbow is a learned process. If you search for things every time you go out that will annoy you, you'll find plenty. Just clean your own hands regularly you'll be fine.

    The woman I saw coughing into her hands was working behind the counter in the local shop. She's in a place of work serving people. What she did was neglectful, pure and simple. It's not hard to cough into your elbow. I walked away from the counter and she continued to serve the next in line. She didn't stop to wash her hands or use sanitiser. She was not in a private, casual or social setting but a place of work. You can make excuses all you want for her but it's not on.


  • #3986
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The Kazakhs are categorically denying the Chinese reports about unknown pneumonia. They state cases without a confirmed covid-19 lab test are always classified as such under WHO guidelines.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html?utm_content=2020-07-10T07%3A00%3A04&utm_source=fbCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social


  • #3987
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/bencowling88/status/1281480413249077250

    Great post, a sobering read...

    On a lighter note:
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You wish to have sensible conversation ? btw a post of yours from yesterday was excellent, your claim then today of half of Corks population and businesses( circa 64k) believe there is no risk this is anecdotal nonsense and it's difficult to contrast the two comments and believe they were from the same poster.

    Cork will never shake off the auld county bounds from the 1950's population stat! That would be circa 110k :pac:


  • #3988
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU collectively have already purchased 400 million doses of the Oxford Vaccine with scope for an additional 200 million should it prove successful in trials.

    That's good. There was news a few weeks ago about the UK going into its deepest recession not seen in 300 years which is very scary and it will have effects on us all. Hopefully their London vaccine will pull them up a bit from that deep recession black hole.


  • #3989
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The woman I saw coughing into her hands was working behind the counter in the local shop. She's in a place of work serving people. What she did was neglectful, pure and simple. It's not hard to cough into your elbow. I walked away from the counter and she continued to serve the next in line. She didn't stop to wash her hands or use sanitiser. She was not in a private, casual or social setting but a place of work. You can make excuses all you want for her but it's not on.

    I'm not making excuses, I'm stating a simple fact to you which you willing ignored. Into the hands is reflex, into the elbow needs to be learned. As I said though if you wish to see behaviour that outrages you, you will not be disappointed.


  • #3990
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The Kazakhs are categorically denying the Chinese reports about unknown pneumonia. They state cases without a confirmed covid-19 lab test are always classified as such under WHO guidelines.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html?utm_content=2020-07-10T07%3A00%3A04&utm_source=fbCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social

    I had thought as much. I wonder why the Chinese government put that statement out though, or the embassy to be specific. From what I've read Kazakhstan has received a lot of Chinese investment as part of the New Silk Road.


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  • #3991
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Any link or reliable source for this apparent news?

    Yes the transport manager of a coach company based in Dublin has been bringing them back and forth all week


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