Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Ficheall wrote: »

You could have it for two weeks and not pass it on immediately, and then pass it to your housemate whom you don't interact with very often, who then doesn't develop symptoms, but is still a carrier - and you can be an asymptomatic carrier for more than two weeks, I believe. That kind of thing.
It does seem to be erring on the side of caution, but I can't say I blame them.

Thank you.

Indian public health workers conducted medical checks in a hotspot area in Mumbai this week.

What struck me about this photo is that those Indian public health workers are better protected than our Irish ICU nurses.

They have protection against aerosol transmission, ours only have protection against droplet transmission.

Scandalous !

AdamD wrote: »

For all this recent giving out about the positivity...

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In this thread people have been predicting second waves and 'just you wait and see the cases in two weeks', for about 2-3 months now. Maybe the more positive people were actually in fact, more realistic?

The complaints weren't about the positivity, the complaints were about the vitriol directed against any negative posts.

Two of the people banned were among those who predicted the first wave back in January, iirc. I don't recall where the currently positive people stood then - perhaps they have been correct all along.
Travel aside, I think Ireland has things pretty much under control now, but keeping a cautious eye on what's happening beyond our front door is not deserving of the scorn it seems to attract.

ginoginelli wrote: »

Exactly. Offices are at the highest end of risk at the moment. This is conveniently being ignored by government and big businesses, as they dont want to sacrifice the economy.

At the very least masks should be mandated inside these premises.

Do you want them to sacrifice the economy?

cnocbui wrote: »

Do you want them to sacrifice the economy?

Of course not. But it's not right that peoples health is effectively expendable. I want to see appropriate safety measure put in place in these high risk environments.

Mask wearing, improved ventilation and uv lighting should be implemented.

ginoginelli wrote: »

Of course not. But it's not right that peoples health is effectively expendable. I want to see appropriate safety measure put in place in these high risk environments.

Mask wearing, improved ventilation and uv lighting should be implemented.

Unless the office environment is populated with people over 70 with very serious medical problems, then peoples health wont be effectively expendable.

Gruffalox wrote: »

You haven't heard then about the crappy post viral stuff of various sorts some people who recover are experiencing?

youre still talking about the over 70s though, correct?

Northern Ireland update:

0 deaths for 6th day in a row

3 additional cases

0 in ICU for 13th day in a row

Gruffalox wrote: »

You haven't heard then about the crappy post viral stuff of various sorts some people who recover are experiencing?

Oh I have, permanently damaged lungs and many other organs, but there's a catch. What doctors are reporting relates to only some of the people who have had sever cases and who were admitted to hospital as a result, which is a minority, and most of those have existing health issues.

I am not trying to downplay the seriousness, but health consequences simply can not be the sole criteria driving government response.

Personally I think widespread wearing of masks in enclosed spaces and a return to normal would be the best course of action to balance health and economic outcomes.

If this virus transmits so easily why do they have to stick the swab almost into your brain, would a simple rub on the mouth tounge not pick up the virus ?

What I don't understand about this 'airborne narrative' is that is nothing new but it is being peddled as a game changer

We all know how corona viruses spread. Catching bits of sneezes and coughs and bringing them onto your own shift tissue. Drops, droplets, aerosols. Doesn't matter what you call it its essentially all the same thing. Small or smaller drops of fluid in the air.

What I don't understand is that this is all know for decades. The common cold is a corona virus. Surely there must be hundreds if not thousands of papers on this. But now we are treating this like a game changer, we come out with these 'oh my god' scenarios. As if this was some previously unknown space alien virus that we gradually learn about at great peril.

So a bunch of scientists examined the droplets scenario further. And they come out with 'could' and 'is possible'. So I read that as under certain circumstances it can happen. But the real question is how prevalent is this scenario? How often is it likely to happen, how much of a role does it play in real world scenarios?

Sorry but I'm not willing to throw my lot in with game changer advocates based on hunches. Another destructive measure on our social interactions based on 'could' and 'is possible'. We already have in my opinion vastly overreacted in the past at great damage to economy and society. We were under pressure then and we chose to err on the side of caution, no issues there. But we have this thing under control at the moment and we can make rational decisions based on scientific facts. And with scientific facts I don't mean 'it can happen under certain model conditions'. I mean proper examinations of how likely this is going to be a contribution factor once normal life resumes. Based on real world scenarios.

I know people are scared about going back to office and back to school scenarios. But lets be real. Just because someone in school has the sneezes doesn't mean come 4 o clock everyone walks out of there with a cold. We know this for decades.

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm moving in with Away with the Fairies

You will be offering yourself as a test subject for a vaccine soon so

Widdensushi wrote: »

You would be quick to agree with them if they recommended a full lockdown

Ah. No. No I wouldn't.

In fact I was completely against their "advice" of not wearing masks so we could avoid another lockdown.

Swing and miss there boyo!