Masks

MipMap · 07-07-2020 04:08AM

Yes: homemade

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: You wear a face shield - great. Let's move on, shall we?

WHY?

You a homophobe or what . You just don't like people talking about things
you don't agree with?

Explain what rule has been breached here, or do you think you are above the rules?

Tokyo · 07-07-2020 05:09AM

MipMap wrote: »

WHY?

You a homophobe or what. You just don't like people talking about things
you don't agree with?

I don't think 'homophobe' means what you think it means...

Mod: If you have an issue with a mod decision, take it to the Help Desk. It's not to be debated in thread.

weldoninhio · 07-07-2020 07:48AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Sconsey wrote: »

My mistake, it is not yet, but it will be soon. I look forward to it, you can maybe lie your way onto the bus.

Still no sign of legislation making it “mandatory”.

MickeyLeari · 07-07-2020 07:55AM

Yes: surgical

weldoninhio wrote: »

Still no sign of legislation making it “mandatory”.

So still only advisory on public transport?

weldoninhio · 07-07-2020 07:59AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

MickeyLeari wrote: »

So still only advisory on public transport?

Yeah. I haven’t been wearing one and neither has 80-90% of passengers I’ve seen.

Dubl07 · 07-07-2020 08:48AM

Yes: other

MickeyLeari wrote: »

So still sensible on public transport?

Fixed your post. Honestly, some people are total twerps. We're advised to walk or cycle and to wear masks if on public transport or indoor areas. Why don't you understand the reasoning behind that? It's not to deprive you of anything; it's to keep you and others safe and healthy.

is_that_so · 07-07-2020 08:49AM

No: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

Still no sign of legislation making it “mandatory”.

The legislation is there, transport regulations need to be changed first. Two weeks was the period mentioned for the DoH to come up with those. I'd see it as ready to go for July 20, if they move forward with it.

MickeyLeari · 07-07-2020 08:56AM

Yes: surgical

Dubl07 wrote: »

Fixed your post. Honestly, some people are total twerps. We're advised to walk or cycle and to wear masks if on public transport or indoor areas. Why don't you understand the reasoning behind that? It's not to deprive you of anything; it's to keep you and others safe and healthy.

. I am 100% in favour of mandatory use of masks on public transport. In fact I thought it was mandatory and quite shocked it is not. I have been in favour of relaxing controls but think the price for this is mask use and using the app.

So please lay off the lectures for what was a reasonable question.

I should add that the “only advisory” in my question was a clear signal of my thinking.

joeguevara · 07-07-2020 09:09AM

The scientific evidence on the protection efficacy of masks makes it so difficult for anyone to agree. The newest research on the BBC website this morning suggests that it protects the wearer as well as those around them. Prof Paul Edelstein from the University of Pennsylvania, who wrote the other report which examined the effectiveness of masks and other coverings, said the evidence that they protected other people was "clearer all the time", but there was also "some evidence" they protected the wearer.

Boggles · 07-07-2020 09:10AM

It's bizarre people stating as fact that restriction measures will not be reintroduced here if cases start to rise again.

What do people think will happen, we will all just wash our hands faster and that will do it? How are we different to other places?

Stage three lockdown restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne and Mitchell Shire

4.9 million people.

Away With The Fairies · 07-07-2020 09:42AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Still no sign of legislation making it “mandatory”.

Why are you waiting for things to be mandatory?

Did you wait to drive until you got your full license?

weldoninhio · 07-07-2020 10:45AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why are you waiting for things to be mandatory?

Did you wait to drive until you got your full license?

Well I've never driven so far, so, em, yes, i guess?

EDIT: I also won't be wearing one when they become mandatory. But was just pulling up a smart arse who thought that because Shane Ross brought a memo in front of the Dail we'd all be masked up.

Jim_Hodge · 07-07-2020 10:54AM

Yes: homemade

weldoninhio wrote: »

EDIT: I also won't be wearing one when they become mandatory.

May I, on behalf of the community, thank you for your concern and efforts to keep people healthy and allow the economy to move towards recovery?:rolleyes:

weldoninhio · 07-07-2020 10:58AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

May I, on behalf of the community, thank you for your concern and efforts to keep people healthy and allow the economy to move towards recovery?:rolleyes:

Coronavirus is well gone from the community in Ireland.

MickeyLeari · 07-07-2020 11:00AM

Yes: surgical

Boggles wrote: »

It's bizarre people stating as fact that restriction measures will not be reintroduced here if cases start to rise again.

What do people think will happen, we will all just wash our hands faster and that will do it? How are we different to other places?

Stage three lockdown restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne and Mitchell Shire

4.9 million people.

But that is a targeted but not general lock down.

Living Off The Splash · 07-07-2020 11:01AM

Yes: homemade

McGiver wrote: »

Lahinch, holiday resort on the Atlantic Way, in Co Clare. Full of people, almost business as usual. Americans, Spanish, Irish young people. Pubs regulate number of people inside but I can't see how that achieves anything. We were sitting in a tiny café with 12 other people.
No masks anyone including the staff, they just have glass shield at the counter, that's all.

I would have just kept on walking.

I guess there are now going to be two camps. Those that give a toss and those who don't give a toss.

The problem for me as someone who gives a toss is that I don't want to be near those who don't give a toss.

Jim_Hodge · 07-07-2020 11:06AM

Yes: homemade

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

I would have just kept on walking.

I guess there are now going to be two camps. Those that give a toss and those who don't give a toss.

The problem for me as someone who gives a toss is that I don't want to be near those who don't give a toss.

Fully agree. If it is a small cafe with 12 people then you get up, tell them you don't think it's safe, or abiding by the protocols, and leave.

MickeyLeari · 07-07-2020 11:14AM

Yes: surgical

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Fully agree. If it is a small cafe with 12 people then you get up, tell them you don't think it's safe, or abiding by the protocols, and leave.

I have seen other places put the limit of people allowed in the premises on the front door.

Away With The Fairies · 07-07-2020 11:21AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Coronavirus is well gone from the community in Ireland.

It really isn't gone from the community. You can make all the excuses but people are being infected every single day.

Just because things can be traced back, it doesn't mean it's gone. The real problem now is with tourists around the place, makes contact tracing much more difficult.

Seanergy · 07-07-2020 11:39AM

Yes: valved

FIXTHEMASK are bringing out version 3 of the elastic band brace for surgical masks.

Remember the elastic band version is an excellent get out of jail mod if you get stuck in a sticky situation and need to remain present indoors, do it once and you will know it for life.

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Pauliedragon · 07-07-2020 11:47AM

It's mixed messaging again though. We're told to catch it you have to be within 2 metres of someone for 15 mins so if I'm in a shop by myself for 2 mins why do I need a mask?

Allinall · 07-07-2020 11:49AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Coronavirus is well gone from the community in Ireland.

How do you know this?

Tork · 07-07-2020 11:55AM

Yes: to protect others

There is increasing evidence to suggest that the virus is airborne and that the particles linger in the air for longer than anyone thought. And with people moving around more, and air travel resuming, it's foolhardy to assume that the community transmission rates will remain as low as they currently are. It is still a highly infectious virus and it still has the potential to spread like wildfire.

Seanergy · 07-07-2020 11:57AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Still no sign of legislation making it “mandatory”.

And still Transport for Ireland saying they became mandatory for the 2nd time at the start of this week.

Like I said in previous posts, advice to make mandatory was an insurance bet by FG when they cleaned before the blended government formation.

It's more noise in the conversation, more mixed messaging, more confusion and irritation.

Operation FFCN hasn't had a bump in afew days, wait for it.

Away With The Fairies · 07-07-2020 12:10PM

Yes: valved

Allinall wrote: »

How do you know this?

Anti-maskers know this.

Seanergy · 07-07-2020 12:23PM

Yes: valved

Tork wrote: »

There is increasing evidence to suggest that the virus is airborne and that the particles linger in the air for longer than anyone thought. And with people moving around more, and air travel resuming, it's foolhardy to assume that the community transmission rates will remain as low as they currently are. It is still a highly infectious virus and it still has the potential to spread like wildfire.

Holohan and the HSE can't get beyond coughing and sneezing and dirty hands as modes of transmission. They even scrubbed talking as a mode of transmisison when drawing up covid-19 literature. The WHO still promote talking as a mode of transmission, we do not. Breathing will probably be recognised as a mode of transmsiion before we openly admit to talking as one. More pressure on the much coverted N95 masks and respirators.

Ireland are operating a delayed learning strategy.

International Society for Aerosols in Medicine

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CalamariFritti · 07-07-2020 12:24PM

So now the next scare scenario 'airborne' is being rolled out. Anything to prevent any attempt at getting back to normal.

First it was contact/smear infection. We mustn't be touching anything. Turned out that was more or less bollix. Next it was going to be the supermarkets that were going to be 'super spreader' havens. Turned out that was more or less bollix. FFs at some stage it was deemed unsafe to go outside, to the beach or the forest. Unbelievable.

This is a fkn coronavirus, they've been around forever. The common cold is a corona virus. How the fk is it that only half baked science is available on all this but yet its being rolled out in an ever increasing scare escalation and very little hard evidence on anything is available. Meanwhile statistics are dodgy as fk.

Sorry but we have seen an unprecedented restriction of social and political liberties. We scared entire populations under their beds including our own. 'I have a hunch' and 'it seems logical' doesn't cut it. Enough is enough.

Away With The Fairies · 07-07-2020 12:28PM

Yes: valved

joeguevara wrote: »

The scientific evidence on the protection efficacy of masks makes it so difficult for anyone to agree. The newest research on the BBC website this morning suggests that it protects the wearer as well as those around them. Prof Paul Edelstein from the University of Pennsylvania, who wrote the other report which examined the effectiveness of masks and other coverings, said the evidence that they protected other people was "clearer all the time", but there was also "some evidence" they protected the wearer.

How do masks protect the wearer? I'm guessing that droplets land on the outside of the mask and blocking entry into your nose and mouth.

But that doesn't explain how people who hardly left their homes still picked up covid and when they did they said they wore a mask. Unless if the eyes are a route of entry.

Away With The Fairies · 07-07-2020 12:32PM

Yes: valved

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So now the next scare scenario 'airborne' is being rolled out. Anything to prevent any attempt at getting back to normal.

First it was contact/smear infection. We mustn't be touching anything. Turned out that was more or less bollix. Next it was going to be the supermarkets that were going to be 'super spreader' havens. Turned out that was more or less bollix. FFs at some stage it was deemed unsafe to go outside, to the beach or the forest. Unbelievable.

This is a fkn coronavirus, they've been around forever. The common cold is a corona virus. How the fk is it that only half baked science is available on all this but yet its being rolled out in an ever increasing scare escalation and very little hard evidence on anything is available. Meanwhile statistics are dodgy as fk.

Sorry but we have seen an unprecedented restriction of social and political liberties. We scared entire populations under their beds including our own. 'I have a hunch' and 'it seems logical' doesn't cut it. Enough is enough.

A cold has never put anyone into the ICU or on life support. Covid is spread by respiratory droplets and aerosols. Cover your mouth to prevent spread, it's really that easy.

weldoninhio · 07-07-2020 12:40PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Allinall wrote: »

How do you know this?

They release the figures daily.

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