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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #2162
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What else will 2020 throw at us?

    Bubonic plague now found in China.

    You should probably stay cocooned for the rest of your life


  • #2163
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    fritzelly wrote: »
    You should probably stay cocooned for the rest of your life

    I don't know where to hide.


  • #2164
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What else will 2020 throw at us?

    Bubonic plague now found in China.

    There are regular small outbreaks of Bubonic Plague. It's even present in the USA.

    https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html

    Nothing new.

    Also, despite its grizzly history, it's treatable with antibiotics if identified quickly anyway.


  • #2165
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I don't know where to hide.

    Anywhere outside China should be grand - Siberia maybe, Antarctica is pretty free of viruses


  • #2166
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What else will 2020 throw at us?

    Bubonic plague now found in China.

    There is bubonic plague in america too, I remember there was a small outbreak a few years ago and there are usually a handful of cases a year. So many things lurking out there waiting to kill us! Part of life unfortunately


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  • #2167
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What else will 2020 throw at us?

    Bubonic plague now found in China.

    Think it's important to note the following -

    "Plague cases are not uncommon in China, but outbreaks have become increasingly rare.

    From 2009 to 2018, China reported 26 cases and 11 deaths."

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bubonic-plague-inner-mongolia-warning-marmots-a9602611.html


  • #2168
    Away With The Fairies
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    There is bubonic plague in america too, I remember there was a small outbreak a few years ago and there are usually a handful of cases a year. So many things lurking out there waiting to kill us! Part of life unfortunately

    I was expecting another pandemic with this.


  • #2169
    Away With The Fairies
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    YellowBucket wrote: »
    There are regular small outbreaks of Bubonic Plague. It's even present in the USA.

    https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html

    Nothing new.

    Also, despite its grizzly history, it's treatable with antibiotics if identified quickly anyway.

    Okay, I was getting worried for a moment with the thought of another pandemic.


  • #2170
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I was expecting another pandemic with this.

    When you think about it its amazing life survives on planet Earth - everything is out to kill ye


  • #2171
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    They eat rats over there in China. Would explain the bubonic plaque. They need to stop eating filthy rats and bats.


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  • #2172
    Eod100
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    Anywhere outside China should be grand - Siberia maybe, Antarctica is pretty free of viruses

    Either there or ISS but tis a long trip!


  • #2173
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Kind of different post as a musician and someone who also loves to listen to music I post this as it sums up some of the mix of feelings that I have had over the last months...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4


  • #2174
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    speckle wrote: »
    Kind of different post as a musician and someone who also loves to listen to music I post this as it sums up some of the mix of feelings that I have had over the last months...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

    Is a damn good song


  • #2175
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    fr336 wrote: »
    Group of over 200 scientists demand WHO acknowledge Covid is an airbourne virus which can linger in the air and therefore masks should be compulsory indoors.
    s1ippy wrote: »
    That is excellent news, thanks for sharing. If shop workers, office staff and education professionals are advised to wear masks which are supplied by their employers they will all be much safer. Bit late for it but it would be a very positive development.

    Excellent news to some perhaps, but not proof that it is the main method or indeed a significant means of transmission. If it was, plenty would have caught it in the supermarkets over the last 3 months. Which was predicted by many. They didn't though, as community transmission at the moment is practically zero.

    For balance - in relation to their claim, "Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia and a member of the WHO’s infection prevention committee, said the WHO had struck the right balance in its advice.

    “Aerosol transmission can occur but it probably isn’t that important in the grand scheme of things. It’s all about droplets,” he said. “Controlling airborne transmission isn’t going to do that much to control the spread of Covid-19."


  • #2176
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    To be fearful during a pandemic - how dare they eh. Instead of positive comments like "don't worry, it's not as bad as you think etc", and the thread moves on, they have to be belittled instead. Zzzzzzzzzzzz


  • #2177
    speckle
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    Is a damn good song

    There is such a big fear with musicians at the moment of when will ever get back to singing and sharing songs live in public because of the high risks if transmission. I dream of all these little lights in each of our homes each night all over the earth as we play in silence with no one to share and hear our songs. Yes we can internet but it is a poor subsitute to being present with others as we all sing and share songs of our hopes or sadness or joy and laughter.


  • #2178
    SeaBreezes
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    I'm not sure where you get your information from.

    They have been able to identify patient zero for some of the recent epidemics caused by bat viruses jumping across the species barriers, and they started with one person.

    The MERS epidemic started with a 60 year old man in Saudi Arabia who was infected by his camel, who had been bitten by a bat.

    A Ebola epidemic patient zero was a 2 year old child in Guinea, Africa, playing in a hollow tree with a bat colony in it.

    Opinion now suggests that the present bat virus infected an intermediate animal host and then spread to a human.

    They are trying to find patient zero for this pandemic and the evidence suggests that it did not start in the wet market in Wohan. The market was a superspreading event but the earliest cases found had no connection to the market.

    They still havent found patient zero, feeding the lab escapee theory..
    https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-arise-from-a-bat-coronavirus-research-program-in-a-chinese-laboratory-very-possibly/

    Fauci has been funding the lab in wuhan to investigate coronaviruses:
    http://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/new-coronavirus-emerges-bats-china-devastates-young-swine

    Not sure what part has been debunked? Norweigen and indian scientists saying its not a natural virus.
    Both papers pulled not because of the science but the opinions

    Add to that obama outlawed gain-of-function experimentation so they had to move it offshore.

    Looks like an accidental clusterf**k to me..


  • #2179
    SeaBreezes
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    speckle wrote: »
    Kind of different post as a musician and someone who also loves to listen to music I post this as it sums up some of the mix of feelings that I have had over the last months...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

    One of my favs!


  • #2180
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    They still havent found patient zero, feeding the lab escapee theory..
    https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-arise-from-a-bat-coronavirus-research-program-in-a-chinese-laboratory-very-possibly/

    Fauci has been funding the lab in wuhan to investigate coronaviruses:
    http://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/new-coronavirus-emerges-bats-china-devastates-young-swine

    Not sure what part has been debunked? Norweigen and indian scientists saying its not a natural virus.
    Both papers pulled not because of the science but the opinions

    Add to that obama outlawed gain-of-function experimentation so they had to move it offshore.

    Looks like an accidental clusterf**k to me..

    We get it - you have an agenda - conspiracy forum ---->


  • #2181
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    The dangers of downplaying the virus...

    One of the few African governments to downplay the threat of the virus was Burundi, whose president Pierre Nkurunziza said that Burundians would be spared the disease because they “put God first,” arguing that God had “cleared the coronavirus from Burundi’s skies.”

    On 8 June, Nkurunziza became the first head of state to die from the virus, aged 55.


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  • #2182
    Renjit
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    They eat rats over there in China. Would explain the bubonic plaque. They need to stop eating filthy rats and bats.

    In uncontrolled environment even your bacon will be filthy :cool: In general, meat is a greater source of diseases.


  • #2183
    s1ippy
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    The first person who caught it could have been asymptomatic so they might never find patient zero. They can trace so many other epidemics with relative certainty to the first case, even in times with no smart phones... or hardly any reliable hospital records at all, in some cases. It's very troubling that it might not be possible, only fueling the theories that it was lab-made.

    Yippee, more conflict!


  • #2184
    SeaBreezes
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    The dangers of downplaying the virus...

    One of the few African governments to downplay the threat of the virus was Burundi, whose president Pierre Nkurunziza said that Burundians would be spared the disease because they “put God first,” arguing that God had “cleared the coronavirus from Burundi’s skies.”

    On 8 June, Nkurunziza became the first head of state to die from the virus, aged 55.

    Well isnt that ironic.


  • #2185
    drunkmonkey
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    Houston we have a problem.

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-hit-new-daily-high-as-overall-cases-slip


  • #2186
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    bits and bobs on potential origins for perusal.

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0322/v2
    edit forgot this in relation to above one

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202006.0044/v1

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSeeker268/status/1262459039297961989


    http://eng.oversea.cnki.net/Kcms/detail/detail.aspx?filename=1013327523.nh&dbcode=CMFD&dbname=CMFD2014

    The paper on miners google translate
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lzGLbsn_ITtnfMFJBzt2eAsU3WTyw0fV3jSsYL5wZtg/mobilebasic

    The above in origins language
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Md2GVJvMDbsNzS8X2wbTvxgCerK9Qsn/view

    Whole thread with various ideas since early on

    https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/824572-discussion-chinese-academy-of-sciences-cas-in-wuhan-has-been-working-with-bats-and-coronavirus-for-many-years-dna-manipulations-cloning/page12#post875349

    link starts beginning of june but goes all the way back to january. So alot of reading and links to all sides/research papers on the debate. Nite all.


  • #2187
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Of course, mentioned them in my other post. Especially bar staff who will have no choice to interact with people and could have siblings, parents, grannies, sons, daughters etc with underlying conditions.

    Just one example, Ireland has one of the highest rates of cystic fibrosis rates in the world. Think it's 1 in 19 here. Not right or fair that people have to continue to cocoon just so pubs can cram people in.

    If we need to live with the virus then it's everyone needs to live with it, not just the young and healthy. And with this virus even that may not prevent you from getting seriously ill or dying. Some perspective needed here.

    Life is rarely right or fair. Young people are going to gradually get back to their lives. It is inevitable. It will happen by creep. The only way everyone can emerge from this happy is with a vaccine or the virus mutates away to insignificance.


  • #2188
    Plumbthedepths
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    The dangers of downplaying the virus...

    One of the few African governments to downplay the threat of the virus was Burundi, whose president Pierre Nkurunziza said that Burundians would be spared the disease because they “put God first,” arguing that God had “cleared the coronavirus from Burundi’s skies.”

    On 8 June, Nkurunziza became the first head of state to die from the virus, aged 55.

    You better tell the BBC.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52984119


  • #2189
    Van.Bosch
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Houston we have a problem.

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-hit-new-daily-high-as-overall-cases-slip

    8000 hospitalised - that’s wrong right?


  • #2190
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You better tell the BBC.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52984119


    Its in the BMJ - would expect them to have some kind of authority on it

    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2685

    The BBC report is from a month ago


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  • #2191
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    8000 hospitalised - that’s wrong right?

    It's Fox news - not known for their integrity as a news site.


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