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MrChew · 14-06-2020 2:37pm

Tashbash wrote: »

I really should have googled what binocularly means because I think I had it mixed up with bilateral... If the opticians were open I would have been straight in for advice like you were.
Thank you so much, I can't believe how supportive this board is. I appreciate the help

FWIW, I did Google it and didn't trust Google's (correct) definition, so went to my optician. It's mad what this process does to you.

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 1:39pm

I’m lost on the eyesight requirements.

The attached was taken from their website a while back.

I have perfect vision in my right eye 6/5.
My left eye is a lazy eye - With glasses on I am 6/22. Without glasses I’m 6/60.

I have contemplated laser surgery to get my eyesight without glasses 6/22 in the left eye - but reading on here it sounds like I don’t need to.

Any help is appreciated. Currently in the 2020 campaign waiting my AC

MrChew · 16-06-2020 2:03pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

I’m lost on the eyesight requirements.

The attached was taken from their website a while back.

I have perfect vision in my left eye 6/5.
My right eye is a lazy eye - With glasses on I am 6/22. Without glasses I’m 6/60.

I have contemplated laser surgery to get my eyesight without glasses 6/22 - but reading on here it sounds like I don’t need to.

Any help is appreciated. Currently in the 2020 campaign waiting my AC

So, without glasses, you can only read the top line of the Snellen chart? That would be 6/60, right?

You need to be able to read 6/36 without glasses using both eyes at the same time to pass the unaided acuity requirement. 6/36 is the second line of a metric Snellen chart.

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 2:26pm

MrChew wrote: »

So, without glasses, you can only read the top line of the Snellen chart? That would be 6/60, right?

You need to be able to read 6/36 without glasses using both eyes at the same time to pass the unaided acuity requirement. 6/36 is the second line of a metric Snellen chart.

I don’t wear glasses. I have never worn glasses. I have a lazy left eye since childhood. It’s perfectly fine cosmetically (no squint etc)

I have perfect vision with both eyes together.

My concern is the first line on the attachment posted on my previous post..
bilateral Vision with corrective vision you need 6.6 in the better eye and 6/12 in the other eye.

My eyes together I am 100% but if they test each eye separately then my left eye doesn’t hit the mark of 6/12. I get 6/22 with corrective lens

Without glasses I am - right 20/20 - left 6/60 eyesight
With corrective vision - right 20/20 - left 6/22 eyesight

MrChew · 16-06-2020 2:44pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

I don’t wear glasses. I have never worn glasses. I have a lazy left eye since childhood. It’s perfectly fine cosmetically (no squint etc)

I have perfect vision with both eyes together.

My concern is the first line on the attachment posted on my previous post..
bilateral Vision with corrective vision you need 6.6 in the better eye and 6/12 in the other eye.

My eyes together I am 100% but if they test each eye separately then my left eye doesn’t hit the mark of 6/12. I get 6/22 with corrective lens

Without glasses I am - right 20/20 - left 6/60 eyesight
With corrective vision - right 20/20 - left 6/22 eyesight

Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm not sure I can help with this one. I researched what the craic was for general short sightedness, as that is where I might fall down.

All I know is that each eye will be tested independently. How that might shake out in your case is beyond me, sorry. And I expect there's no chance of getting an optician to confirm things for you. Hopefully someone else on here can help.

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 4:18pm

MrChew wrote: »

Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm not sure I can help with this one. I researched what the craic was for general short sightedness, as that is where I might fall down.

All I know is that each eye will be tested independently. How that might shake out in your case is beyond me, sorry. And I expect there's no chance of getting an optician to confirm things for you. Hopefully someone else on here can help.

What is your eyesight like unaided for each eye independently buddy?

If I get laser surgery in my right eye it will take my vision to 6/22 which I believe is 2 letters on the fourth line. Definitely able to read 3 lines down

MrChew · 16-06-2020 4:33pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

What is your eyesight like unaided for each eye independently buddy?

If I get laser surgery in my right eye it will take my vision to 6/22 which I believe is 2 letters on the fourth line. Definitely able to read 3 lines down

Both my eyes are the same, afaik. I can usually manage the third line down, so that's what, 6/24?

Do you reckon you'd have time to get the surgery and recover before the medical? I suppose the AC dates aren't necessarily soon, given the 'summer' window Deloitte have given.

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 5:04pm

MrChew wrote: »

Both my eyes are the same, afaik. I can usually manage the third line down, so that's what, 6/24?

Do you reckon you'd have time to get the surgery and recover before the medical? I suppose the AC dates aren't necessarily soon, given the 'summer' window Deloitte have given.

From the JoinPSNI website:

If I get laser eye surgery will I meet the eyesight standards to join the PSNI?

Laser eye surgery is usually very successful and is not a barrier to recruitment provided that:

There are no complications.
The operation corrects visual acuity to meet the PSNI eyesight standard.
Recovery is rapid and PSNI do not have strict post-surgery time limits for considering your application. As a general rule the PSNI like to see stable vision for about 3 months with no side effects (post-op) before offering a candidate employment. The candidate simply has to meet the standard when they present for medical. We cannot offer advice on the variety of laser eye surgery options available.

I am currently in the 2020 campaign waiting on AC. I have an consultation next weekend regarding with optical express so I should have plenty of time.

I’m also waiting a video interview for prison service and the eyesight requirements are the same.

Edit- yes the third line down on the snellen chart is 6/24 with corrective vision I can manage a few letter on the 6/18 line

MrChew · 16-06-2020 5:08pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

From the JoinPSNI website:

If I get laser eye surgery will I meet the eyesight standards to join the PSNI?

Laser eye surgery is usually very successful and is not a barrier to recruitment provided that:

There are no complications.
The operation corrects visual acuity to meet the PSNI eyesight standard.
Recovery is rapid and PSNI do not have strict post-surgery time limits for considering your application. As a general rule the PSNI like to see stable vision for about 3 months with no side effects (post-op) before offering a candidate employment. The candidate simply has to meet the standard when they present for medical. We cannot offer advice on the variety of laser eye surgery options available.

I am currently in the 2020 campaign waiting on AC. I have an consultation next weekend regarding with optical express so I should have plenty of time.

I’m also waiting a video interview for prison service and the eyesight requirements are the same.

Fair enough, mate. Hope it works out for you!

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 5:52pm

MrChew wrote: »

Fair enough, mate. Hope it works out for you!

Would I not be right in saying that the eyesight requirements unaided is 6/12 stated in the attached due I posted.. So like myself you fall short of that.

My concern is paying for laser eye surgery to get my bad eye up to 6/22 unaided only to fall short of the requirements.

MrChew · 16-06-2020 5:58pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

Would I not be right in saying that the eyesight requirements unaided is 6/12 stated in the attached due I posted.. So like myself you fall short of that.

My concern is paying for laser eye surgery to get my bad eye up to 6/22 unaided only to fall short of the requirements.

No, it's 6/36 unaided, binocularly, meaning using both eyes with no correction. The 6/12 requirement applies to corrected vision. I mean, anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong. But insisting on 6/12 unaided would count out virtually anyone who is short sighted.

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 6:07pm

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MrChew wrote: »

No, it's 6/36 unaided, binocularly, meaning using both eyes with no correction. The 6/12 requirement applies to corrected vision. I mean, anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong. But insisting on 6/12 unaided would count out virtually anyone who is short sighted.

This is where I am lost. As unaided binocularly I’m 20/20. My right eye is perfect so both together I pass but if they test each eye independently I fail both before and after laser treatment.

My brother is due his medical in a few weeks so hopefully have a better understanding then.

MrChew · 16-06-2020 6:11pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

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This is where I am lost. As unaided binocularly I’m 20/20. My right eye is perfect so both together I pass but if they test each eye independently I fail both before and after laser treatment.

My brother is due his medical in a few weeks so hopefully have a better understanding then.

Yes, please post after your brother goes through his. It would be really useful to know.

Tashbash · 16-06-2020 6:54pm

So I think I finally have my head round the eyesight requirements.
There will be 4 tests and you have to meet the standard in all 4 or it is an overall fail.

However I don't know if missing one is an overall fail or if it is at the discretion of recruitment.

Glasses off/Unaided both eyes together- 6/36 or 20/100

Glasses on/ Aided both eyes together- 6/6 or 20/20
Glasses on/ Aided Good eye only- 6/7.5 or 20/25
Glasses on/ Aided Bad eye only- 6/12 or 20/40.

MrChew · 16-06-2020 7:46pm

Tashbash wrote: »

Glasses off/Unaided both eyes together- 6/36 or 20/100

Small correction, 6/36 converts to 20/125. 20/100 is 6/30, which would be a more stringent requirement.

MrChew · 16-06-2020 7:46pm

Tashbash wrote: »

Glasses off/Unaided both eyes together- 6/36 or 20/100

Small correction, 6/36 converts to 20/125. 20/100 is 6/30, which would be a more stringent requirement.

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 8:00pm

Tashbash wrote: »

So I think I finally have my head round the eyesight requirements.
There will be 4 tests and you have to meet the standard in all 4 or it is an overall fail.

However I don't know if missing one is an overall fail or if it is at the discretion of recruitment.

Glasses off/Unaided both eyes together- 6/36 or 20/100

Glasses on/ Aided both eyes together- 6/6 or 20/20
Glasses on/ Aided Good eye only- 6/7.5 or 20/25
Glasses on/ Aided Bad eye only- 6/12 or 20/40.

Hi

From what I gather you need

1. near vision N6 aided or unaided. (This is the second last line on the chart with or without glasses

2. Unaided binocularly 6/36 (this is the second line on a standard snellen chart)

3. Bilateral vision using corrective lens if necessary. 6.6 in good eye and 6/12 in other eye (this is 6/6 or the second last line on the snellen. 6/12 is the 5 line down on the snellen for the other eye)

This is how I am taking the attached file I got online.

As you say do we need to pass all four in order to succeed. I pass theee and fail the unaided 6/12. If I get laser surgery I can get 6/22

Tashbash · 16-06-2020 8:34pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

Hi

From what I gather you need

1. near vision N6 aided or unaided. (This is the second last line on the chart with or without glasses

2. Unaided binocularly 6/36 (this is the second line on a standard snellen chart)

3. Bilateral vision using corrective lens if necessary. 6.6 in good eye and 6/12 in other eye (this is 6/6 or the second last line on the snellen. 6/12 is the 5 line down on the snellen for the other eye)

This is how I am taking the attached file I got online.

As you say do we need to pass all four in order to succeed. I pass theee and fail the unaided 6/12. If I get laser surgery I can get 6/22

Yeah all your details are correct. It'll be worth a call to recruitment or the medical team to see if you have to meet the standard in both eyes separately. But unfortunately I think you do based on the wording of their requirements.

I know what its like, I have a lazy right eye and a high long sighted prescription as well as astigmatism. My left eye makes up for it however with glasses I can get my right eye to almost 6/6. I'm still very worried about it and will be booking an eye test asap.
Laser isn't an option for me because of my long sighted prescription.

I printed off a snellen chart or theres an iphone app called eye chart HD so I could double check.

Newbieee · 16-06-2020 10:13pm

In short if binocular unaided you are 6/60 there is no way you’ll pass the required standards for eyesight

Belfast86 · 16-06-2020 10:48pm

Newbieee wrote: »

In short if binocular unaided you are 6/60 there is no way you’ll pass the required standards for eyesight

Who is binocularly 6/60 unaided. Didn’t see anyone state that.

For me I am
Binocularly 20/20. My right eye is perfect.
Bilateral unaided I am 6/60 in one eye whilst the other eye is 20/20.

If I were to get laser treatment my bad eye would be 6/22

Gonzo94 · 02-07-2020 5:53pm

So glad to be able to finally get my medical over with today. I've never been a fan of those hearing tests haha. Now to just sit back and hopefully wait for a pass

. It will be a nice surprise if my vetting comes back along with my medical.

NornIron74 · 02-07-2020 9:01pm

Gonzo94 wrote: »

So glad to be able to finally get my medical over with today. I've never been a fan of those hearing tests haha. Now to just sit back and hopefully wait for a pass . It will be a nice surprise if my vetting comes back along with my medical.

My medical result took 6 days and SMT took another 6 days. What covid precautions did they have in place for the medical?

Gonzo94 · 02-07-2020 9:10pm

NornIron74 wrote: »

My medical result took 6 days and SMT took another 6 days. What covid precautions did they have in place for the medical?

Waiting upon waiting lol. They called yesterday and asked questions. Then asked the same questions today and made me wear gloves and a mask. They said they would bring me back to do the lung test. Apparently they aren't allowed to do it at the moment. They've also cut the number of medicals per day. Social distancing was in place etc.

Belfast86 · 02-07-2020 9:45pm

Gonzo94 wrote: »

So glad to be able to finally get my medical over with today. I've never been a fan of those hearing tests haha. Now to just sit back and hopefully wait for a pass . It will be a nice surprise if my vetting comes back along with my medical.

How was the eye test buddy

Gonzo94 · 02-07-2020 10:25pm

Belfast86 wrote: »

How was the eye test buddy

I found it dead on but if I'm honest I don't wear glasses or contact lenses. You stand at a wall and look into a mirror and read of a board with one eye covered, then the other and then using both eyes.

SMS19 · 03-07-2020 9:21am

NornIron74 wrote: »

My medical result took 6 days and SMT took another 6 days. What covid precautions did they have in place for the medical?

My medical results took a week but SMT took 3 weeks and I had to email them to ask about the result.

Randox who do the SMT testing are also doing Covid testing but with calls not expected to go out anytime soon I can't see you missing out on the next batch.

NornIron74 · 03-07-2020 12:35pm

SMS19 wrote: »

My medical results took a week but SMT took 3 weeks and I had to email them to ask about the result.

Randox who do the SMT testing are also doing Covid testing but with calls not expected to go out anytime soon I can't see you missing out on the next batch.

Your SMT took that long because of all the drugs they found in your sample and then they had to wait for your cheque to clear

SMS19 · 03-07-2020 1:51pm

NornIron74 wrote: »

Your SMT took that long because of all the drugs they found in your sample and then they had to wait for your cheque to clear

Maybe I need to send another cheque to get a place in Hotel GV?

NornIron74 · 03-07-2020 4:42pm

SMS19 wrote: »

Maybe I need to send another cheque to get a place in Hotel GV?

Make it a blank cheque this time

penutzimes · 04-07-2020 10:12am

Is there anybody on here did the AC training? Has it helped you get a higher score?

Peeler97 · 04-07-2020 2:47pm

penutzimes wrote: »

Is there anybody on here did the AC training? Has it helped you get a higher score?

I did the AC training. It was my first AC but it helped me to get a high score and be on the top end of the merit list.

penutzimes · 04-07-2020 3:47pm

Peeler97 wrote: »

I did the AC training. It was my first AC but it helped me to get a high score and be on the top end of the merit list.

How long were you waiting from ac to starting? Was it still £150?

Gonzo94 · 04-07-2020 6:39pm

SMS19 wrote: »

My medical results took a week but SMT took 3 weeks and I had to email them to ask about the result.

Randox who do the SMT testing are also doing Covid testing but with calls not expected to go out anytime soon I can't see you missing out on the next batch.

I had to email to get my CDO SMT results. It's weird how stuff like that can happen. My medical and SMT results can come whenever. I'm still waiting on my vetting coming through. 7 months now and it's beginning to make me nervous haha. I would love to be appointable by the end of July.

penutzimes · 06-07-2020 10:04am

Anyone here went for laser eye surgery?

Nhs2018 · 06-07-2020 12:48pm

penutzimes wrote: »

Anyone here went for laser eye surgery?

I did 6 years ago... perfect vision now

penutzimes · 06-07-2020 1:07pm

Nhs2018 wrote: »

I did 6 years ago... perfect vision now

Have you had any side effects from it dry eyes etc?

Nhs2018 · 06-07-2020 4:42pm

penutzimes wrote: »

Have you had any side effects from it dry eyes etc?

Dry eyes and night blindness but sounds worse than it is! It’s fairly common but doesn’t bother me. Still the best thing I ever did. Would definitely advise it especially in the job

NeeNaw21 · 11-07-2020 2:52am

penutzimes wrote: »

Is there anybody on here did the AC training? Has it helped you get a higher score?

Did the AC training sub 60 ML for 1810

Gonzo94 · 11-07-2020 12:31pm

Just curious to know if theres anyone on here still waiting on their vetting clearing? I was hoping mine would be cleared for the next intake but not looking hopeful lol

NornIron74 · 11-07-2020 1:38pm

Gonzo94 wrote: »

Just curious to know if theres anyone on here still waiting on their vetting clearing? I was hoping mine would be cleared for the next intake but not looking hopeful lol

How long has yours been away, I know someone who is still waiting after over 6 months

Gonzo94 · 11-07-2020 2:20pm

NornIron74 wrote: »

How long has yours been away, I know someone who is still waiting after over 6 months

7 months now. I emailed vetting the other daychancing my arm for an update and they just said "currently pending". I have my medical passed and was hoping to be appointable for the next intake just in case my merit bracket is reached.

If I'm honest I'm a bit concerned haha. I don't want to get hit with a fail and then the appeal taking even longer. I'll be the last person to get it in haha. I'm hoping if I was going to fail or anything I'd have heard about it now. My CDO vetting passed in like a month or two. I was hoping that might have sped this vetting up.

MrChew · 11-07-2020 2:55pm

Gonzo94 wrote: »

7 months now. I emailed vetting the other daychancing my arm for an update and they just said "currently pending". I have my medical passed and was hoping to be appointable for the next intake just in case my merit bracket is reached.

If I'm honest I'm a bit concerned haha. I don't want to get hit with a fail and then the appeal taking even longer. I'll be the last person to get it in haha. I'm hoping if I was going to fail or anything I'd have heard about it now. My CDO vetting passed in like a month or two. I was hoping that might have sped this vetting up.

Do you have any reason to be concerned or anything you might fail on? If not, try not to stress yourself too much. From all the reading I've done on this, it seems there is literally no rhyme nor reason to the length of time vetting takes.

Gonzo94 · 11-07-2020 3:13pm

MrChew wrote: »

Do you have any reason to be concerned or anything you might fail on? If not, try not to stress yourself too much. From all the reading I've done on this, it seems there is literally no rhyme nor reason to the length of time vetting takes.

No absolutely nothing. I think it's just the length of time that's starting to let the doubt creep in. I've passed the vetting before for the CDO position. Though that didn't have a few bits that the PC vetting had.

You're right though I'll just have to wait a little bit longer lol.

Boobysingleton · 13-07-2020 9:05am

Mine was 8 months lol

I'd just rethink... Usually something uv left out could be the prob

CuppaTay · 15-07-2020 9:25am

I'm waiting on Vetting as well, though my medical is still to be completed. With regards to the medical, should I make note of things that haven't affected me in years? Had problems over a decade ago but I don't think it's relevant now.

W221 · 16-07-2020 6:32pm

Gonzo94 wrote: »

Just curious to know if theres anyone on here still waiting on their vetting clearing? I was hoping mine would be cleared for the next intake but not looking hopeful lol

Mine took a full 9 months. If you’re paying off a bed debt, CCJ or default etc, clear it and your vetting will clear with it.

football22 · 27-07-2020 1:07am

Anyone any news on when the next call will be?

NornIron74 · 27-07-2020 10:42am

football22 wrote: »

Anyone any news on when the next call will be?

Could be this week or next

CuppaTay · 06-08-2020 3:27am

Medical finally attended there and got the pass email within a day of attending it. Just the Substance test to wait on, and my vetting from many months ago.

SMS19 · 06-08-2020 10:44am

CuppaTay wrote: »

Medical finally attended there and got the pass email within a day of attending it. Just the Substance test to wait on, and my vetting from many months ago.

Hopefully you don't have to go through the 5+ month wait for a call once appointable that some of us are going through atm.

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