How will schools be able to go back in September?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 03-07-2020 07:45PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

It certainly makes me wonder when our extremely well paid teachers let us down so badly in a national crisis. It's disgusting to think that our taxes in Ireland are swallowed up by a sector that aquits itself in such a fashion.

Which is why the government might decide not to play ball and will happily allow unions to get a strike going.

Even a few weeks of striking will save the government a fortune (and they could do with every cent now), and with the current situation they won't even be blamed, the finger of blame will be pointed at the unions and their members.

Don't be surprised if that's what happens.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 07:45PM

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

And pay is a significant factor in why there is a crisis shortage of subject teachers and in subs.

But if you haven't heard the unions demanding improved PTR and provision of aready agreed school buildings, then I'd suggest you just weren't bothered listening.

OR...

Perhaps the pay talk vastly outweighed all other talk.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 07:46PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Friend there, child in same class showed me his sons daily colour coded curriculum complemented by daily zoom classes and corrected nightly.

My child in same class, 3 zoom meetings in total and a weekly blog.

I mentioned Chicago as the previous poster spoke of America.

3 zoom meetings in 3 months and a blog?
Here in Ireland?

Why are we being told otherwise about how much hard work was done?

History Queen · 03-07-2020 07:47PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Friend there, child in same class showed me his sons daily colour coded curriculum complemented by daily zoom classes and corrected nightly.

My child in same class, 3 zoom meetings in total and a weekly blog.

I mentioned Chicago as the previous poster spoke of America.

You do realise that zoom meetings don't equal teaching? Also that one random school in Ireland is not representative of the whole country and one random school on Chicago is not representative of the whole state? (Unless they had whole state guidance from their Dept of Education, in which case it may be. We didn't have that.)

r93kaey5p2izun · 03-07-2020 07:47PM

Rodin wrote: »

OR...

Perhaps the pay talk vastly outweighed all other talk.

Hardly surprising given the remit of the union. Again, it's children with no teacher who have been losing out for the past few years. Did parents make it an election issue though? No.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 07:48PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Which is why the government might decide not to play ball and will happily allow unions to get a strike going.

Even a few weeks of striking will save the government a fortune (and they could do with every cent now), and with the current situation they won't even be blamed, the finger of blame will be pointed at the unions and their members.

Don't be surprised if that's what happens.

There won't be strikes

Rodin · 03-07-2020 07:48PM

History Queen wrote: »

There won't be strikes

There certainly would be no popular support for them

History Queen · 03-07-2020 07:50PM

Rodin wrote: »

There certainly would be no popular support for them

That isn't a consideration when it comes to strike action. Nice to get but not a consideration. Anyway moot point. There won't be strikes.

downthemiddle · 03-07-2020 07:50PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Which is why the government might decide not to play ball and will happily allow unions to get a strike going.

Even a few weeks of striking will save the government a fortune (and they could do with every cent now), and with the current situation they won't even be blamed, the finger of blame will be pointed at the unions and their members.

Don't be surprised if that's what happens.

You have mentioned strikes on a number of occasions. Can you show me where teachers have mentioned possible strike action?

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 07:50PM

The colour coded curriculum is probably similar to ours which is available online in the teacher probably would have given you the curriculum but decided a detailed plan would be more useful. There were a few issues with zoom as far as schools policy etc and this wasnt really up to individual teachers it was down to school policy. American schools tend to all use the same exact plans also so they probably sent put the plan for the whole start,Irish system is different. Irish teachers have more freedom to teach various topics in various ways and we dont use standardised testing in a different way. These are jsur a few differences. If you want to access our curriculum it is all online. You're welcome to.

BonsaiKitten · 03-07-2020 07:51PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

I know their conditions are worse I am taking about the attitude of the people there. In my view they have more respect for education and teachers in general. I think maybe the fact they also pay so much for college themselves they appreciate it more. In my view.

Perhaps but again, not really what seems to happen in /r/teachers (though it is the internet so obviously take it with a pinch of salt). They've quite a collection of truly mind boggling things said and done by parents.

mcsean2163 · 03-07-2020 07:52PM

Look, sorry if I've offended any of the excellent teachers out there who have their students interests at heart. I was responding to a teacher poster who seemed very entitled.

I have a small engineering business but have become a stay at home dad with few options due to schools closure and childcare.

I would say the following, teaching is a good job in Ireland and generally well respected but it should not be a right. The teachers who think the bare minimum is good enough, probably shouldn't be teachers. To the rest, you have my respect and I know at least one who did remarkable selfless work during the lockdown.

Oiche mhaith.

downthemiddle · 03-07-2020 07:52PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Friend there, child in same class showed me his sons daily colour coded curriculum complemented by daily zoom classes and corrected nightly.

My child in same class, 3 zoom meetings in total and a weekly blog.

I mentioned Chicago as the previous poster spoke of America.

With your expertise in the tech industry and your keen interest in the role of teachers, did you contact the teacher and offer them any assistance?

mcsean2163 · 03-07-2020 07:52PM

Look, sorry if I've offended any of the excellent teachers out there who have their students interests at heart. I was responding to a teacher poster who seemed very entitled.

I have a small engineering business but have become a stay at home dad with few options due to schools closure and childcare.

I would say the following, teaching is a good job in Ireland and generally well respected but it should not be a right. The teachers who think the bare minimum is good enough, probably shouldn't be teachers. To the rest, you have my respect and I know at least one who did remarkable selfless work during the lockdown.

Oiche mhaith.

BonsaiKitten · 03-07-2020 07:54PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Look, sorry if I've offended any of the excellent teachers out there who have their students interests at heart. I was responding to a teacher poster who seemed very entitled.

I have a small engineering business but have become a stay at home dad with few options due to schools closure and childcare.

I would say the following, teaching is a good job in Ireland and generally well respected but it should not be a right. The teachers who think the bare minimum is good enough, probably shouldn't be teachers. To the rest, you have my respect and I know at least one who did remarkable selfless work during the lockdown.

Oiche mhaith.

A teacher poster who explicitly stated that they'd been teaching daily live lessons? Aka doing exactly what you praised the school in Chicago for doing? I do note that what you claim to want for your kid is what I did.

Funny how what is laudable in an American teacher suddenly became entitled and lazy in an Irish teacher...

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 07:55PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Friend there, child in same class showed me his sons daily colour coded curriculum complemented by daily zoom classes and corrected nightly.

My child in same class, 3 zoom meetings in total and a weekly blog.

I mentioned Chicago as the previous poster spoke of America.

https://curriculumonline.ie/Home/

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 03-07-2020 07:56PM

History Queen wrote: »

There won't be strikes

Its a possibility, unions have to be seen to earn their subscriptions and the last teachers strike was a month before lockdown so you never know what will happen.

Could even be a cost saving strategy by the government if they purposely don't make schools ''Covid secure'' whatever that entails. I must ask my boss tomorrow if our workplace is covid secure and see what they say.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 07:56PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

It certainly makes me wonder when our extremely well paid teachers let us down so badly in a national crisis. It's disgusting to think that our taxes in Ireland are swallowed up by a sector that aquits itself in such a fashion.

As you say it was a national crisis and in a national crisis emergency services are to the forefront. Teaching being conisidered not an emergency service was shut down, along with other non essential sectors by the government.

So I think you will find it was the government that let you down.

In hindsight it is easy to say you were let by one sector. Going by some of the threads here though some felt greatly let down pubs and restaurants were closed, suppose it depends on your point of view.

The government let healthcare workers down by not providing childcare and made the job more stressful than it had to be at this time, despite constantly speaking out about the great plans they had to solve the childcare situation for them. And here they are again doing the same with education.

So the ire needs to be directed at the government and get them to get their asses in gear. Parents and teachers should unite to make sure the Department does all that is necessary to reopen safely in September and put the money needed into it.

I mean afterall if they can put millions into doing up the Cliffs of Moher as another poster pointed out, maybe we should be all ensuring they put financially what is needed into a long neglected education system

deiseindublin · 03-07-2020 07:56PM

I really think all teachers on this thread should just learn to ignore the ill informed posters that have the fix for everythingnothing. We teacher are all willing to work, and just waiting instruction from the DES. Every other industry that was closed by the Gov has a safe return to work strategy and we should be no different.

It's obvious reading this thread that the same keyboard warriors are here all day with a huge chip on their shoulders about teachers/teaching/schools/their career choices/life in general. Let them at it. Walk away, let them rant and rave at themselves, maybe they'll even go for a career change if they convince themselves of how green the grass is on our side of the fence.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 07:56PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Its a possibility, unions have to be seen to earn their subscriptions and the last teachers strike was a month before lockdown so you never know what will happen.

Could even be a cost saving strategy by the government if they purposely don't make schools ''Covid secure'' whatever that entails. I must ask my boss tomorrow if our workplace is covid secure and see what they say.

Its not a possibility

downthemiddle · 03-07-2020 07:57PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Its a possibility, unions have to be seen to earn their subscriptions and the last teachers strike was a month before lockdown so you never know what will happen.

Could even be a cost saving strategy by the government if they purposely don't make schools ''Covid secure'' whatever that entails. I must ask my boss tomorrow if our workplace is covid secure and see what they say.

Again I'll ask you can you produce any evidence of teachers threatening strike action?

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 07:59PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

I really think all teachers on this thread should just learn to ignore the ill informed posters that have the fix for everythingnothing. We teacher are all willing to work, and just waiting instruction from the DES. Every other industry that was closed by the Gov has a safe return to work strategy and we should be no different.

It's obvious reading this thread that the same keyboard warriors are here all day with a huge chip on their shoulders about teachers/teaching/schools/their career choices/life in general. Let them at it. Walk away, let them rant and rave at themselves, maybe they'll even go for a career change if they convince themselves of how green the grass is on our side of the fence.

That is so true. I'm done. Thanks for that. You are correct. Happy Summer holidays everyone.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 07:59PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

I really think all teachers on this thread should just learn to ignore the ill informed posters that have the fix for everythingnothing. We teacher are all willing to work, and just waiting instruction from the DES. Every other industry that was closed by the Gov has a safe return to work strategy and we should be no different.

It's obvious reading this thread that the same keyboard warriors are here all day with a huge chip on their shoulders about teachers/teaching/schools/their career choices/life in general. Let them at it. Walk away, let them rant and rave at themselves, maybe they'll even go for a career change if they convince themselves of how green the grass is on our side of the fence.

You're right. I know you are. Yet I keep getting sucked in! I need to take your advice.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 03-07-2020 08:01PM

History Queen wrote: »

Its not a possibility

How so?

downthemiddle · 03-07-2020 08:03PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

How so?

You keep ignoring the question about strikes. Surely you are not engaging in unfounded speculation yet again. Please produce something to back up your comment.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 03-07-2020 08:04PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Again I'll ask you can you produce any evidence of teachers threatening strike action?

ASTI made comments as such just this week. It's their default setting.

To be honest everyone will be so used to the schools being closed another few weeks won't really make a difference if they do decide to strike.

The public nearly expects it at this stage looking at some of the commentary on articles on unions at the oireachtas yesterday.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 08:04PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

How so?

No reason to. Strikes aren't called on a whim. They are planned, members balloted, employers notified etc. On what grounds would we be striking? Makes no sense to strike.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 08:05PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

ASTI made comments as such just this week. It's their default setting.

To be honest everyone will be so used to the schools being closed another few weeks won't really make a difference if they do decide to strike.

The public nearly expects it at this stage looking at some of the commentary on articles on unions at the oireachtas yesterday.

ASTI never mentioned striking as far as I can see. Where/when did that happen?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 03-07-2020 08:09PM

History Queen wrote: »

ASTI never mentioned striking as far as I can see. Where/when did that happen?

"However, in response to a question from People Before Profit TD Gino Kenny about what a classroom with 30 students, two SNAs and a teacher would look like in September, Mr Christie said it would look empty, because ASTI members would not be there under the current advice".

Now if the union is saying they aren't going to be there that means they will be striking because after a six month closure nobody will accept what's supposed to pass as "blended learning" because it was a disaster on most fronts.

How else would they 'not be there' teachers will not be working from home in September?

ASTI are saying their members won't be there, they have all but skipped the ballot and you can see where this will go.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 08:11PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

I really think all teachers on this thread should just learn to ignore the ill informed posters that have the fix for everythingnothing. We teacher are all willing to work, and just waiting instruction from the DES. Every other industry that was closed by the Gov has a safe return to work strategy and we should be no different.

It's obvious reading this thread that the same keyboard warriors are here all day with a huge chip on their shoulders about teachers/teaching/schools/their career choices/life in general. Let them at it. Walk away, let them rant and rave at themselves, maybe they'll even go for a career change if they convince themselves of how green the grass is on our side of the fence.

You know you are correct and I do try to ignore it but then I hate to see a profession I love being picked on by people who have no idea what it is like. Then they start feeding off one another and it gets worse and I would hate for anyone who was interested in teaching to read the thread and get disheartened by a few and think that teachers wouldnt correct the inaccuracies.

So I will stand my ground and correct the inaccuracies as it is a wonderful professions denegrated by begruders and doesnt deserve to be. It should be treated like any other profession. Boards is funny that way, I have been on and off here since 2007 and teaching is the only profession on this site that gets slagged off like this and as long as that continues well here I am.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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