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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • #4742
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why did you decide to change from nursing to teaching by the way? Was it because of the generous hours/time off/pay?

    I dont actually have to answer that as I can sense the sarcasm. But no not due to the as you put it "generous hours/time off/pay". That tells me how much you know about the job and that is anything but true but anyways.


  • #4743
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    No way where I worked would a nurse be moved to ICU without training and certified to work with ventilated patients .

    Was certainly done during Covid though some training done beforehand
    Skill mix important so not necessary that everyone has same skills/experience.


  • #4744
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    No way where I worked would a nurse be moved to ICU without training and certified to work with ventilated patients .

    I was and regualrly and have no reason to lie about it. It was a regular thing on night duty. I was a damn good nurse too.


  • #4745
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    History Queen wrote: »
    Rodin wrote: »

    Obviously not. Barbers and beauticians don't use blowdriers and both clients and professional wear masks. The need for wearing a mask kicks in with increased proximity I thought? I understand that blowdryers add to the risk for hairdressers.

    A basic mask is required if the client is also wearing a mask, if the client is not wearing a mask due to the treatment they are having (facial or facial waxing) then the therapist wears goggles also or a full face shield.

    But keep in mind in these circumstances the therapist would be inches from the face of his/her client. With both breathing on one another.


  • #4746
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    khalessi wrote: »
    I was and regualrly and have no reason to lie about it. It was a regular thing on night duty. I was a damn good nurse too.

    I have no idea what being a damn good nurse has to do with this ? I was a damn good nurse too ! But no way would we ever be asked ( or indeed would we have done it ) to take a ventilatied patient without training .


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  • #4747
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Rodin wrote: »
    Was certainly done during Covid though some training done beforehand
    Skill mix important so not necessary that everyone has same skills/experience.

    With training . I even know that orthopaedic surgeons were trained to look after ventilated patients but not without training


  • #4748
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I have no idea what being a damn good nurse has to do with this ? I was a damn good nurse too ! But no way would we ever be asked ( or indeed would we have done it ) to take a ventilatied patient without training .

    lucky you. i went where i was told to


  • #4749
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    khalessi wrote: »
    lucky you. i went where i was told to

    So did I , but we were never asked to take a ventilated patient without prior training . It quite simply didn’t happen . It was in paeds so highly skilled


  • #4750
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    So did I , but we were never asked to take a ventilated patient without prior training . It quite simply didn’t happen . It was in paeds so highly skilled

    Well it did when I was nursing and regularly, and it was normal for me and it seems it was happening during the pandemic. But you dont know what my nursing experience is or whether I was trained to do it.

    Still doesnt help getting schools open apart from fact that Rodin would like to change everything about teaching and yet has not done so himself in the brand new world. Which was the original point so lets get back to the thread and if ye want to continue the conversation about my nursing experience we can do so via pm


  • #4751
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    khalessi wrote: »
    Well it did when I was nursing and regularly, and it was normal for me and it seems it was happening during the pandemic. But you dont know what my nursing experience is or whether I was trained to do it.

    Still doesnt help getting schools open apart from fact that Rodin would like to change everything about teaching and yet has not done so himself in the brand new world. Which was the original point so lets get back to the thread and if ye want to continue the conversation about my nursing experience we can do so via pm

    All you had to say was you were trained in nursing ventilated patients then ?


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  • #4752
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    All you had to say was you were trained in nursing ventilated patients then ?

    no i didnt have to but all you had to do was not assume


  • #4753
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    The building used for the current Oireachtas convention sittings to be 2 metres distanced is 25000 per day. But teachers wanting more space and distance is unreasonable? Aka there is currently none up to second class but the scheduled plans. Ironic.


  • #4754
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    I suppose teachers, snas and children aren't as important as politicians.


  • #4755
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    khalessi wrote: »
    lucky you. i went where i was told to

    So you worked with ventilated patients even though you weren't an ICU qualified nurse and had no specific critical care ventilator training?


  • #4756
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    So you worked with ventilated patients even though you weren't an ICU qualified nurse and had no specific critical care ventilator training?

    Apparently was but just couldn’t say so from the beginning !!! “ rolls eyes “


  • #4757
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    khalessi wrote: »
    I was and enjoyed it and sometimes could be moved a couple of times during a shift and it was in a Dublin hospital maybe I was quick on uptake.

    You actually replied this to someone who said nurses need specific training and couldn't just be put in to work in ICU.

    You implied that nurses could just be put anywhere regardless of their skill set and that this was a regular thing.

    Whatever about times of pandemic but if that sort of thing was happening it would be very bad news.


  • #4758
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    It beggars belief that the healthcare system is such a mess when we have such expertise being displayed by workers on this thread.
    Meanwhile our highly rated education system is clearly in need of a massive overhaul according to said experts.
    Imagine suggesting that the trolley crisis and disgraceful waiting lists could be resolved if healthcare workers were prepared to work harder and don the "green" jersey (whatever that means). It is embarrassing to read posts that clearly make no attempt to understand the real issues here.


  • #4759
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    It beggars belief that the healthcare system is such a mess when we have such expertise being displayed by workers on this thread.
    Meanwhile our highly rated education system is clearly in need of a massive overhaul according to said experts.
    Imagine suggesting that the trolley crisis and disgraceful waiting lists could be resolved if healthcare workers were prepared to work harder and don the "green" jersey (whatever that means). It is embarrassing to read posts that clearly make no attempt to understand the real issues here.

    I think you'll find it's teachers (those who work in the sector) who have pointed out many many times that the education system is not up to scratch from communication, lack of teachers, resources, funding etc right down to the lack of no running hot water or soap.

    That's straight from the horses mouth.

    Actually education and health both have very similar issues when it comes down to lack of proper investment, innovation, efficiency, planning, staff retention and future proofing.

    Any private business with the issues seen in both sectors would have closed its doors years ago.


  • #4760
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    But any time teachers raise such issues it’s spun as “ whining teachers.”
    If parents want a full return to education, they need to start lobbying politicians to make the funding available for all the extra hygiene measures, school works, extra staff . They might , at least, be listened to.


  • #4761
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    It beggars belief that the healthcare system is such a mess when we have such expertise being displayed by workers on this thread.
    Meanwhile our highly rated education system is clearly in need of a massive overhaul according to said experts.
    Imagine suggesting that the trolley crisis and disgraceful waiting lists could be resolved if healthcare workers were prepared to work harder and don the "green" jersey (whatever that means). It is embarrassing to read posts that clearly make no attempt to understand the real issues here.

    The HSE is a crock of ****. But we are trying our best. Bring me back to the halycon days of working in the NHS.


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  • #4762
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The HSE is a crock of ****. But we are trying our best. Bring me back to the halycon days of working in the NHS.

    I think you will find that most teachers try their best too.


  • #4763
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    Oh yeah the uk has done so well and are a great example, only what was it close to 50000 deaths?????

    What an intelligent comment.

    So we should ignore everything the UK has done regarding Coronavirus?

    No dexamethasone for Irish patients because the evidence for it came from the UK?


  • #4764
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    But any time teachers raise such issues it’s spun as “ whining teachers.”
    If parents want a full return to education, they need to start lobbying politicians to make the funding available for all the extra hygiene measures, school works, extra staff . They might , at least, be listened to.

    Well this is it. Chickens coming home to roost. Parents did not value education when it mattered. General Election exit poll - most important issues:

    Health 32%
    Housing/Homelessness 26%
    Pension Age 8%
    Climate Change 6%
    Jobs 6%
    Taxation 4%
    Childcare 3%
    Crime 3%
    Brexit 1%
    Immigration 1%
    Other 6%
    Not Stated 5%

    Overcrowded classrooms, prefabs, no hot water (no mains water at all in many cases), inadequate funding for hygiene provision, crisis in availability of subject teachers and subs. All lost in "other". Now it's urgent. And it's too late. Shame.


  • #4765
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    What an intelligent comment.

    So we should ignore everything the UK has done regarding Coronavirus?

    No dexamethasone for Irish patients because the evidence for it came from the UK?

    Do you think their approach to controlling the spread of infection worked? Using medicine from research done in a place is fine. We should however learn from their many mistakes.


  • #4766
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    Do you think their approach to controlling the spread of infection worked? Using medicine from research done in a place is fine. We should however learn from their many mistakes.

    Why was schools staying open (with small numbers of
    teachers working) for vulnerable students and children of essential workers a mistake?

    Childcare has been a serious issue for Healthcare workers, particularly nurses.


  • #4767
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    Why was schools staying open (with small numbers of
    teachers working) for vulnerable students and children of essential workers a mistake?

    Childcare has been a serious issue for Healthcare workers, particularly nurses.

    Presumably it didn't help with the spread? Compare them to Canada for example who did close schools. The fact is they shut them completely for a reason. To control spread.


  • #4768
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »
    Well this is it. Chickens coming home to roost. Parents did not value education when it mattered. General Election exit poll - most important issues:

    Health 32%
    Housing/Homelessness 26%
    Pension Age 8%
    Climate Change 6%
    Jobs 6%
    Taxation 4%
    Childcare 3%
    Crime 3%
    Brexit 1%
    Immigration 1%
    Other 6%
    Not Stated 5%

    Overcrowded classrooms, prefabs, no hot water (no mains water at all in many cases), inadequate funding for hygiene provision, crisis in availability of subject teachers and subs. All lost in "other". Now it's urgent. And it's too late. Shame.

    Exit polls are nothing but an indication of what's flavour of the month, similar to trending hashtags sadly.

    The issues that the media decide to focus on are what is at the forefront of people's minds at the time.

    This is not a recent situation around education although its definitely been highlighted by recent happenings.


  • #4769
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    Why was schools staying open (with small numbers of
    teachers working) for vulnerable students and children of essential workers a mistake?

    Childcare has been a serious issue for Healthcare workers, particularly nurses.

    Do you think we should have copied the UK? Do you think their approach was better? I'm certainly glad I'm not in the UK.


  • #4770
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    Do you think we should have copied the UK? Do you think their approach was better? I'm certainly glad I'm not in the UK.
    Thomas dylan
    Why was it more of an issue for nurses than other health care workers as a matter of interest?


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  • #4771
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    Exit polls are nothing but an indication of what's flavour of the month, similar to trending hashtags sadly.

    The issues that the media decide to focus on are what is at the forefront of people's minds at the time.

    This is not a recent situation although its definitely been highlighted by recent happenings.

    No, disgustingly inadequate education funding is not a recent issue. That is the point. Parents did not make Education funding flavour of the month. They failed to make it an election issue. Repeatedly. Over many elections. In good times and in bad. The media would focus on it if all parents were interested. The only commentary around making education an election issue has been from unions.


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