How will schools be able to go back in September?

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:39PM

Rodin wrote: »

So teachers have 40 hours contact time from Monday to Friday?
I think you'll find they fall far short of that.

I certainly was never in school from 9-5 Monday to Friday.
Have things changed?

Rodin, have you considered going into teaching? I think you would be superb. Best of luck with the handy number. Nothing to do before or after lessons in schools of course. Easy peasy. Off you go.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:40PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

So should they add the preparation of resources, written fortnightly and yearly plans, assessment, report writing, record keeping, parent teacher meetings, meetings, paperwork, etc to overtime then? Or should we just ditch all the legally required paperwork done in all those extra hours? Oh and proper lunch breaks would also be nice thanks! Like all other staff in other jobs.

You think ALL other staff in other jobs have proper protected lunch breaks?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:41PM

History Queen wrote: »

The teacher shortage is well documented

So this plenty of space doesn't refer to geographical space which we are told there is a dearth of?

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:41PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Rodin, have you considered going into teaching? I think you would be superb. Best of luck with the handy number. Nothing to do before or after lessons in schools of course. Easy peasy. Off you go.

I invited him earlier, but he is happy doing what he doing so like you know read into that, its too hard. Instead he is here to moan and derail thread by giving out.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:42PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Rodin, have you considered going into teaching? I think you would be superb. Best of luck with the handy number. Nothing to do before or after lessons in schools of course. Easy peasy. Off you go.

Maybe I will.

The annual leave alone is stellar.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:43PM

Rodin wrote: »

You think ALL other staff in other jobs have proper protected lunch breaks?

So a lunch break is legally required. If you're not taking yours then why don't you contact your union or look into another line of work? Teachers are expected to supervise children on theirs so including all the additional after hours work they do that nobody knows anything about who is not a teacher, they don't get the break they are entitled to or deserve. Jsut s little reminder too that sitting at your desk eating lunch is still a break if you choose to do that. Sitting supervising 30 children is not.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:43PM

khalessi wrote: »

I invited him earlier, but he is happy doing what he doing so like you know read into that, its too hard. Instead he is here to moan and derail thread by giving out.

I'm here to urge a ''can do'' attitude rather than a ''can't do'' one.

So many sectors have already moved heaven and earth to sort their house out.
Why are we still hearing about schools potentially not opening two months from now?

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:43PM

Rodin wrote: »

You think ALL other staff in other jobs have proper protected lunch breaks?

For God's sake give it over! Apologies mods for the back seat modding but seriously Rodin, go make a "teachers are lazy and I hate them" thread in After Hours or something. You're making discussion impossible with your nitpicking and off topic ramblings. This thread is about opening schools.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:44PM

History Queen wrote: »

For God's sake give it over! Apologies mods for the back seat modding but seriously Rodin, go make a "teachers are lazy and I hate them" thread in After Hours or something. You're making discussion impossible with your nitpicking and off topic ramblings. This thread is about opening schools.

I am missing those threads as there hasnt been one in a week or so.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:44PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

So a lunch break is legally required. If you're not taking yours then why don't you contact your union or look into another line of work? Teachers are expected to supervise children on theirs so including all the additional after hours work they do that nobody knows anything about who is not a teacher, they don't get the break they are entitled to or deserve. Jsut s little reminder too that sitting at your desk eating lunch is still a break if you choose to do that. Sitting supervising 30 children is not.

Are you a primary teacher?

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:45PM

Rodin wrote: »

Maybe I will.

The annual leave alone is stellar.

I would love for you to become a teacher just for the experience alone. The annual leave is great but just see what all the rest of the conditions are like and let's hope that you see what conditions for covid 19 are like on your teaching practice. By the way all your teaching practice will be unpaid. Enjoy:)

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:45PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm here to urge a ''can do'' attitude rather than a ''can't do'' one.

So many sectors have already moved heaven and earth to sort their house out.
Why are we still hearing about schools potentially not opening two months from now?

Your issue is with the Department of Education not committing the necessary resources to makethis possible. Not with teachers.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:46PM

History Queen wrote: »

For God's sake give it over! Apologies mods for the back seat modding but seriously Rodin, go make a "teachers are lazy and I hate them" thread in After Hours or something. You're making discussion impossible with your nitpicking and off topic ramblings. This thread is about opening schools.

I'm happy to discuss.

I already said I'd make face masks compulsory.
This would obviate the need for two metres distancing.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:47PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

So a lunch break is legally required. If you're not taking yours then why don't you contact your union or look into another line of work? Teachers are expected to supervise children on theirs so including all the additional after hours work they do that nobody knows anything about who is not a teacher, they don't get the break they are entitled to or deserve. Jsut s little reminder too that sitting at your desk eating lunch is still a break if you choose to do that. Sitting supervising 30 children is not.

Many schools don't even have 30 pupils in their entirety never mind in one class.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:47PM

Rodin wrote: »

Are you a primary teacher?

Also just wondering when you're doing your 16 weeks unpaid teaching practice can I check all your notes and assessment. I'm sure you will get it all done every day in the hour or two which will make it 40 hours a week. Never seen a teacher manage it in that short a time frame but you're special and so hardworking clearly.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:47PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm happy to discuss.

I already said I'd make face masks compulsory.
This would obviate the need for two metres distancing.

Well done if you read the thread that has been mentioned many times by teachers

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:48PM

Rodin wrote: »

Many schools don't even have 30 pupils in their entirety never mind in one class.

Are you living under a rock? There are lots of classes with up to 34 pupils? You might want to learn a little more about the job with such stellar leave.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:48PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm here to urge a ''can do'' attitude rather than a ''can't do'' one.

So many sectors have already moved heaven and earth to sort their house out.
Why are we still hearing about schools potentially not opening two months from now?

The Dept has not stepped up

It is in the thread

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:49PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Are you living under a rock? There are lots of classes with up to 34 pupils? You might want to learn a little more about the job with such stellar leave.

And many classes/schools which don't.

Each school needs to make their own unique provision without hiding behind the Dept. of Ed.

The language and attitude needs to be much more positive than it has been up to now.

So compulsory masks? Done.
2 metres down to one metre? Done.

The savings from heating and lighting from the schools not being open for 3 months can pay for hand sanitiser. Compulsory on entering and leaving a classroom.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:50PM

khalessi wrote: »

Well done if you read the thread that has been mentioned many times by teachers

Pretty sure Tony Holahan said it does not stop the need for the distancing. It just compensates slightly for it as there is no way to cut hair from 2m. So they use every othersafery measure possible. Schools however seem to be using none of the safety measures advised.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:50PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm happy to discuss.

I already said I'd make face masks compulsory.
This would obviate the need for two metres distancing.

Tell the Department that. I'm happy enough personally with no social distancing if we can have hand washing facilities/sanitizer and PPE, robust guidelines for dealing with symptomatic staff and students and clear provision for vulnerable staff and students. They're currently talking about 1m rather than 2m according to the guidelines.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:51PM

Rodin wrote: »

And many classes/schools which don't.

Each school needs to make their own unique provision without hiding behind the Dept. of Ed.

Lots will have half weeks then to accommodate the distancing.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:52PM

Rodin wrote: »

And many classes/schools which don't.

Each school needs to make their own unique provision without hiding behind the Dept. of Ed.

The language and attitude needs to be much more positive than it has been up to now.

So compulsory masks? Done.
2 metres down to one metre? Done.

The savings from heating and lighting from the schools not being open for 3 months can pay for hand sanitiser. Compulsory on entering and leaving a classroom.

Schools cannot do their own thing. Staffing/funding etc all ultimately come from the Department.

Most schools don't have heating after Easter anyway (some turn it off in early March)

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:53PM

History Queen wrote: »

Tell the Department that. I'm happy enough personally with no social distancing if we can have hand washing facilities/sanatiser and PPE, robust guidelines for dealing with symptomatic staff and students and clear provision for vulnerable staff and students. They're currently talking about 1m rather than 2m according to the guidelines.

What PPE do you want?
For pupils or teachers?

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:53PM

Rodin wrote: »

And many classes/schools which don't.

Each school needs to make their own unique provision without hiding behind the Dept. of Ed.

The language and attitude needs to be much more positive than it has been up to now.

So compulsory masks? Done.
2 metres down to one metre? Done.

The savings from heating and lighting from the schools not being open for 3 months can pay for hand sanitiser. Compulsory on entering and leaving a classroom.

Thank God we have you Rodin!!!
Do you wear your pants on the outside?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:54PM

History Queen wrote: »

Schools cannot do their own thing. Staffing/funding etc all ultimately come from the Department.

Funding comes from the dept but the school decides how it's spent.
Must have saved a fortune on electricity in past three months. Am I wrong?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:54PM

khalessi wrote: »

Thank God we have you Rodin!!!
Do you wear your pants on the outside?

Haven't done that since Man of Steel.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:55PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Lots will have half weeks then to accommodate the distancing.

Or lengthen the school day/year.

Or is that a deal breaker?

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:57PM

Rodin wrote: »

What PPE do you want?
For pupils or teachers?

I'd love face shields instead of masks as masks are more difficult to speak through but my understanding is they are not as effective (just a personal comfort point of view). I'll defer to public health advice though re what PPE is necessary if not engaging in social distancing.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:58PM

Rodin wrote: »

Or lengthen the school day/year.

Or is that a deal breaker?

Well the problem with that, it will cost money and the Dept have already said money not there. Or are we working for free like everyone else who stepped up during crisis? Asking for a friend who wants to teach but is scared to.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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