Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

s1ippy · 03-07-2020 01:29AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Ok Internet, that's enough of you today

Just ignore them, I only see them when you engage with them

It reminds me of this one lad I know who doesn't have the capacity to engage with people properly, so in order to get attention from the he just antagonises everyone. He's really been suffering in this, I'd imagine the locals in the pub area relieved not to have to suffer him though.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/five-people-who-contracted-covid-19-abroad-died-after-they-came-back-to-ireland-39330453.html

There's no informaron about the five people who died except the caption. Absolutely fucking sh!te journalism.

(not a go at you Liz, thanks for posting)

Curious_Case wrote: »

Very important question actually

Is any information available regarding serious health issues affecting the survivors I wonder.

I've read that Covid-19 can cause stickiness of the blood, thereby increasing the risk of stroke, heart attack, etc.

It's starting to look like an inflammatory condition even more than a respiratory one as it progresses in many long-term sufferers. If causes Post-Exertive Malaise or PEM where walking a flight of stairs can exhaust you. When you do exercise, your cells need to repair themselves. This inflammation can easily be repaired in healthy people but the immune response with covid is exaggerated.

I don't have any info to hand backing this up, only testimonies from a lot of long-term ill people on the #slack group Body Politic where they share their experiences. I send an invite on anyone(sound)'s behalf, just send a PM and brief info on your interest that I can fill in on the form. The insights there are quite incredible, this is a terror of a disease that many people are now forced to adjust to.

Goldengirl · 03-07-2020 01:42AM

YellowBucket wrote: »

I send my best wishes to and my thoughts are with Tony Holohan and family at what must be an extremely difficult time, particularly in these circumstances.

Politics and everything else aside, he and his team did a really remarkable job of jump starting the HSE and pulling out all the stops to ensure we had a far better outcome than could have otherwise happened. The National Public Health Emergency Team has provided excellent advice the whole way through.

I just hope now that the Government (which has finally formed) can get beyond naval gazing about its historic coalition and really needs to get down to the brass tacks of policy around COVID-19 (and rapidly impending Brexit).

I know we have to maintain links with NI, but we need to make decisions in the interest of public safety.

Personally, I think 2020 tourism is going to be utterly weird anyway and we would be far better off to just focus on the domestic market, maybe focus on air-bridges to safe countries (both ways) and just forgetting about the US until 2021. They'll still be there in a year's time and we really could do without having to deal with a second wave.

Failing to take action this time would be reckless and incompetent. We know there's a huge risk and we know the economic and social risk are far higher than any potential benefits.

2020 is not going to be business as usual. It needs to be business in "safe mode."

What's annoying me about this even more is that I would have considered going on a domestic hotel break, but if I'm potentially going to be stuck in a hotel with a load of Americans who've failed to quarantine or be tested, I will be staying at home!

Yes, have booked a short break in Killarney in the next month ðŸ˜³ Am thinking I will be wearing a mask at the lovely Lakes and quarantining when we come home !

Really shocked about Dr Holohan and his poor wife . My heart goes out to him and his family .
Imagine working all those long hours and weeks with that pressure and stress from every part of his life . Hope they get some respite.

Strumms · 03-07-2020 01:44AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yeah I mentioned that, along with numbers infected. Terrible that so little value was placed on the lives of the elderly by the people in charge.

Value needs to be placed on the lives and the wellbeing of everybody, everywhere, in every city, town, byway, village hospitals, homes and in-between... young, old, well, sick... blame people in charge ? The covid postmortem will do that, in the mean time, while holding them and everyone to account, in our communities, households etc we need to be holding each other to account too, friends and family, no hall passes for anybody disregarding the health and wellbeing of those around them.

nocoverart · 03-07-2020 01:45AM

Arghus wrote: »

I've heard that it's killed 1700 people in Ireland.

A lot of positives though, no? the same people that are worried now are the same people that were making out this would be like The Bubonic Plague back in March. Social Distancing helped, of course it did! and will there be some bumps in the road? absolutely! but the negative nancies on here were predicting way more than 1700 deaths by July and I think they’re holding out for the great Wave 2 wiping out half the country so they can say “I told you so”

Strumms · 03-07-2020 01:57AM

nocoverart wrote: »

A lot of positives though, no? the same people that are worried now are the same people that were making out this would be like The Bubonic Plague back in March. Social Distancing helped, of course it did! and will there be some bumps in the road? absolutely! but the negative nancies on here were predicting way more than 1700 deaths by July and I think they’re holding out for the great Wave 2 wiping out half the country so they can say “I told you so”

Bumps in the road as you put it will be corpses. I don’t think there were many ‘negative nancy’ type people. I think there were people who’d rather we steered the ship a bit closer to the shore such was their caution to a virus that has infected so far 25,489 of ‘us’ in this country and killed 1738 of ‘us’.

Over half a million people currently in the world have been killed by covid- 19. 10.7 million have been infected. And people are being criticized for being ‘negative nancys’ ?

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 02:00AM

nocoverart wrote: »

A lot of positives though, no? the same people that are worried now are the same people that were making out this would be like The Bubonic Plague back in March. Social Distancing helped, of course it did! and will there be some bumps in the road? absolutely! but the negative nancies on here were predicting way more than 1700 deaths by July and I think they’re holding out for the great Wave 2 wiping out half the country so they can say “I told you so”

But the 1700 is the positive. In the states who disregarded it more people died in 3 months than 20 years of Us soldiers in the Vietnam war. The predictions and models were based on no measures taking place. Sweden was constantly used as a hero of no measures but now they realise that their approach was a mistake. United States Brazil and Russia who didn’t do anything are being ravaged.

Yes our figures are low, yes our economy is hurt but saying things like negative nancies holding out hope of worse to come and using a low death rate is flawed thinking.

I am adding this in as I think it is important. People are saying that it’s blown out of all proportion and basing it on statistics. 115k more people died in the US in May to June this year than the same period last year. Similarly the excess mortality rates are around the jurisdictions that now want to go on holiday here. Be cautious, make informed decisions but don’t disregard negative nancies based on a low number here.

fritzelly · 03-07-2020 02:10AM

I'm just after watching the RTE investigates first episode and in bits - cannot handle the second episode yet
The staff are absolute angels - the love they show even after passing is just so profound and special mention to Lisa
I need to go get a second toilet roll now

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 02:15AM

While I try and never rely on the Irish news, they have said that a large number of US tourists are already in tourist hotspots and more expected. If we are being requested to Staycation in places such as lahinch, Killarney, etc in locations or hotels with high risk people it is an issue.

Arghus · 03-07-2020 02:17AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yeah I mentioned that, along with numbers infected. Terrible that so little value was placed on the lives of the elderly by the people in charge.

I don't agree that so little value was placed on the lives on the elderly.

If concerted effort wasn't made to suppress the virus in the community do you think the death toll amongst the elderly would have been higher or lower?

Your concern for the elderly and your desire to downplay the "negativity" regarding the virus kinda sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Plumbthedepths · 03-07-2020 02:26AM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't agree that so little value was placed on the lives on the elderly.

If concerted effort wasn't made to suppress the virus in the community do you think the death toll amongst the elderly would have been higher or lower?

Your concern for the elderly and your desire to downplay the "negativity" regarding the virus kinda sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I have stated many times how I felt the elderly were thrown under the bus and high lighted how the daughter of a friend kept Covid out of the nursing home she is a director of. No deaths.

Downplay the negativity? I stated that the post mentioning a double lung transplant was an outlier as in very rare occurrence feel free to counter my claim.
Personally if you think I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth frankly I don't give a monkeys tbh.

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 02:34AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yeah I mentioned that, along with numbers infected. Terrible that so little value was placed on the lives of the elderly by the people in charge.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts on why you consider little value was placed on their lives. Firstly they were immediately cocooned and unnecessary risks from outside were stopped. While drastic it meant that chances of infection were at there lowest. Decisions were made as to whether hospitalisation was required. 56% of nursing homes remained Covid free so the protocols did work.

Being already vulnerable with age and underlying medical conditions meant that if infected higher mortality rates. But in most cases where treatment was possible it was given. Compare that to other places such as Italy where treatment was refused if over 70 saying we didn’t value them is not true,.

Plumbthedepths · 03-07-2020 02:39AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I am interested in hearing your thoughts on why you consider little value was placed on their lives. Firstly they were immediately cocooned and unnecessary risks from outside were stopped. While drastic it meant that chances of infection were at there lowest. Decisions were made as to whether hospitalisation was required. 56% of nursing homes remained Covid free so the protocols did work.

Being already vulnerable with age and underlying medical conditions meant that if infected higher mortality rates. But in most cases where treatment was possible it was given. Compare that to other places such as Italy where treatment was refused if over 70 saying we didn’t value them is not true,.

Your first paragraph is absolute bs.
We had Dr Holohan castigating nursing homes for acting unilaterally by restricting visitors. We have evidence of the nursing home sector pleading with the state to stop recruiting nurses from their sector. A refusal of former Minister of health Harris to meet the nursing home sector until the end of March despite the request made on the 6th of March. One of the biggest losses of life was in St Mary's care facility run by the HSE. 21 lives, so pardon me if I once again state your first paragraph is complete BS.

https://www.thejournal.ie/doctor-resigns-medical-council-5079141-Apr2020/

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 02:59AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your first paragraph is absolute bs.
We had Dr Holohan castigating nursing homes for acting unilaterally by restricting visitors. We have evidence of the nursing home sector pleading with the state to stop recruiting nurses from their sector. A refusal of former Minister of health Harris to meet the nursing home sector until the end of March despite the request made on the 6th of March. One of the biggest losses of life was in St Mary's care facility run by the HSE. 21 lives, so pardon me if I once again state your first paragraph is complete BS.

Which part of my first paragraph was bs. Firstly the fact that 56% remain Covid free here is proof https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0618/1148178-covid-patients-hospital/

Senator Harris Has no medical training and him not meeting nursing home sector doesn’t make my first paragraph bs,

I did say that due to deomographic if infection happened likelihood of severe consequences was high but that doesn’t mean that they were disregarded. What is bs. At least be forthcoming rather than saying it’s wrong.

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 03:01AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your first paragraph is absolute bs.
We had Dr Holohan castigating nursing homes for acting unilaterally by restricting visitors. We have evidence of the nursing home sector pleading with the state to stop recruiting nurses from their sector. A refusal of former Minister of health Harris to meet the nursing home sector until the end of March despite the request made on the 6th of March. One of the biggest losses of life was in St Mary's care facility run by the HSE. 21 lives, so pardon me if I once again state your first paragraph is complete BS.

https://www.thejournal.ie/doctor-resigns-medical-council-5079141-Apr2020/

If you are going to use de bruin as your sole example at least preface it with the fact that he faces a serious mal practice suit for his treatment of patients. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/medical-council-inquiry-a-breach-of-basic-rights-as-a-citizen-1.3134774?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fmedical-council-inquiry-a-breach-of-basic-rights-as-a-citizen-1.3134774

Goldengirl · 03-07-2020 03:03AM

joeguevara wrote: »

While I try and never rely on the Irish news, they have said that a large number of US tourists are already in tourist hotspots and more expected. If we are being requested to Staycation in places such as lahinch, Killarney, etc in locations or hotels with high risk people it is an issue.

After initially making the mistake of allowing flights from Italy and the hordes from Cheltenham , when cases were starting in Ireland , we went into .lockdown and stayed with the restrictions longer than every other country , sacrificing so much to get our numbers down. Yay well done us !

Now we are just coming out of that, and are being allowed to travel around our own country , not being encouraged abroad mind you , to countries similar to ourselves , and yet we find ourselves trapped between the visitors from the UK on the beaches , and the Americans in the hotels , the 2 of the worst sxxxshow nations in this pandemic !

Why the hell did we bother locking down if this is the way it is going to be thrown away ?

This is our country . Micheál needs to get a grip and stand up to these basket case countries and ban them until they get their collective act together . This is not time for diplomacy when all that we have achieved here over the last few months looks like being thrown away for 30 pieces of silver/ few dollars more .
It looks like the politicians are more upset about their squabbles over who gets what job, than dealing with this car crash of a holiday season , and the looming resurgence of the virus .

You couldn't write the stuff.....oh wait...

Plumbthedepths · 03-07-2020 03:08AM

joeguevara wrote: »

If you are going to use de bruin as your sole example at least preface it with the fact that he faces a serious mal practice suit for his treatment of patients. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/medical-council-inquiry-a-breach-of-basic-rights-as-a-citizen-1.3134774?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fmedical-council-inquiry-a-breach-of-basic-rights-as-a-citizen-1.3134774

Your first paragraph is still and no matter what DeBrun is facing he was still right.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/states-reaction-to-covid-19-in-nursing-homes-a-gigantic-failure-says-td-1001835.html

Here's another link for you, I'm sure you will find the ability to deflect from its contents.

Here's another one, of course RTE may have an agenda....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0525/1140462-nursing-homes/

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 03:15AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your first paragraph is still and no matter what DeBrun is facing he was still right.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/states-reaction-to-covid-19-in-nursing-homes-a-gigantic-failure-says-td-1001835.html

Here's another link for you, I'm sure you will find the ability to deflect from its contents.

Here's another one, of course RTE may have an agenda....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0525/1140462-nursing-homes/

I think you’re probably right. The facts speak for themselves and it is a catastrophe. I don’t know how they can look families in the eye.

Plumbthedepths · 03-07-2020 03:21AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I think you’re probably right. The facts speak for themselves and it is a catastrophe. I don’t know how they can look families in the eye.

Apologies if I came across as rude.
They had plenty of warning who were the most at risk.
Goodnight.

Strumms · 03-07-2020 03:29AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why the hell did we bother locking down if this is the way it is going to be thrown away ?

This is our country . Micheál needs to get a grip and stand up to these basket case countries and ban them until they get their collective act together . This is not time for diplomacy when all that we have achieved here over the last few months looks like being thrown away.

You couldn't write the stuff.....oh wait...

Unfortunately the or ‘A’ big priority has been and will be to pander to the business sector. Individuals who worry about balance sheets and the health and wellbeing of their accounts over the health and wellbeing of people...

This tactic might be the catalyst as you say for the hard work, sacrifice by the citizens of this country being totally undone.

There are probably emails and phone calls from business leaders, business groups into those close to the Taoiseach’s department trying to advocate, pressuring a return to normality, it’s probably being going on a long time but certainly now, hands are being rubbed, eyes are wide and smirks insincere as they smell, cash...

Goldengirl · 03-07-2020 03:38AM

I do think the nursing homes were dealt with , with very little planning or thought , as you should expect those in charge of Operations st the HSE to have down to a tee ..

Patients discharged without testing clear for Covid 19, to nursing homes , when they were freeing up beds for the " surge" .
Lack of distribution of PPE and staff training in infectious / isolation precautions , in the sector .
Poaching registered nursing staff directly from the nursing home sector who were already short of such staff
Dearth of support for private nursing homes who were crying out for help with staffing and supplies of PPE .
Failure to implement safeguards like visitor restrictions until after the first cases were circulating in the community .
Failure to implement guidelines around agency staff , testing ..I could go on .

It was a litany of disasters which lead to numerous clusters and should have/ could have , been avoided .
Any first year healthcare worker could have told the HSE that the most vulnerable in the country were elderly patients , to ANY virus , and that this area was a priority for planning precautions and implementing a strategy to safeguard these people .

We are among the worst in the world... Canada , UK , Sweden .. for our deaths in the sector .
The worst of it is the passing of blame from all concerned , NPHET to HSE to HIQA .
The only person I have heard apologise and say they got it wrong was Dr Colm Henry on a briefing one day , but I never heard anything but excuses from Paul Reid .
Maybe worried about admitting liability ?

s1ippy · 03-07-2020 03:51AM

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It'll be >11m by the time Ireland wakes up.

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 04:12AM

Do people believe there will be more foreign tourists coming here this summer than Irish going abroad on their holidays.

03-07-2020 04:12AM

Alabama students hold COVID-19 parties with prize for first sick person

McKinstry said party organizers purposely invited guests who tested positive for COVID-19.

“They put money in a pot, and they try to get COVID. Whoever gets COVID first gets the pot. It makes no sense,” she said, according to the New York Post.

joeguevara · 03-07-2020 04:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Alabama students hold COVID-19 parties with prize for first sick person

McKinstry said party organizers purposely invited guests who tested positive for COVID-19.

“They put money in a pot, and they try to get COVID. Whoever gets COVID first gets the pot. It makes no sense,” she said, according to the New York Post.

Funnily enough mckinstry restricts Eu visitors.

Every other story relating to this has the following quote

“We have been aware for weeks of the rumors about COVID parties. We conducted a thorough investigation, and although we have been unable to identify any students who may have participated in these types of activities, we will continue to follow up on any information we receive and educate our students about essential precautions,”

ceadaoin. · 03-07-2020 06:11AM

That sounds completely made up, there's no actual evidence. It reads like an urban legend/moral panic type thing. The same story is popping up with almost the exact same unverified details in a few places. If they were real shouldnt be too hard to find proof on social media surely?

It was also claimed that similar parties were happening in Washington in May. Minus the competition aspect. Turned out that wasn't true either.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/us/washington-retracts-walla-walla-covid-19-parties-trnd/index.html

Renjit · 03-07-2020 08:21AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

US reporting a record (again) 51,106 cases with some states yet to report.

57k yesterday

Renjit · 03-07-2020 08:26AM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It'll be >11m by the time Ireland wakes up.

Still under 11.

YellowBucket · 03-07-2020 08:34AM

It moves fast:

Renjit wrote: »

Still under 11.

11,001,023

It also seems the HSE is back to normal and by normal I mean unacceptably overcrowded public hospitals with no plan for managing anything.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-University-Hospital-consultant-Not-enough-beds-to-cope-with-whats-to-come-ff5fd0ee-c12f-4f85-8044-9d5e3f4a4a3b-ds

I'm beginning to wonder if I should have moved to the continent as I don't think we're going to be able to cope with a second wave and we seem to be determined to ensure we have one between the inbound US tourists and the total complacency about masks and so on and the 'ah sure quarantine if you feel like it' approach.

I had a sense of confidence that we have things under control, now it's just gone and being replaced with a sense of impending doom.

It just feels like we operate with no safety net a lot of the time.

wadacrack · 03-07-2020 08:56AM

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1278959022062829568

Drumpot · 03-07-2020 09:05AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1278959022062829568

Very interesting read:

HIQA’s Chief Scientist, Dr Conor Teljeur, said: “Based on an analysis of the death notices reported on RIP.ie since 2010, there is clear evidence of excess deaths occurring since the first reported death due to COVID-19 in Ireland. There were about 1,100 to 1,200 more deaths than we would expect based on historical patterns; a 13% increase between 11 March to 16 June. However, the number of excess deaths is substantially less than the reported 1,709 COVID-19-related deaths over the same period.”

Very interesting, perhaps we have been over reporting Covid deaths by up to a third. That’s great news from COVID death rate perspective.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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