Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

baaba maal · 01-07-2020 08:19PM

Ardillaun wrote: »

Biden is an average old white guy who’s not Trump. That’s his appeal. With him we won’t have to face temper tantrums against allies, excruciatingly embarrassing to watch self-praise, an unprecedented deluge of barefaced lies, and preposterous, defamatory or otherwise improper tweets at all times of day and night.

That is exactly my feeling on it.

duploelabs · 01-07-2020 08:34PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Must be on the expresso's, you should go easy on these.

BillyGates has little to do with the election, his interests are in vaccines, data markers (these are not 'chips'), cryptocurrency, Digital IDs, health software etc.

There's as much proof that he is as there is about your assertions of Biden's health

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-07-2020 08:52PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Allergies?
Are you taking the piss?

I didn't write #4, on the medical report published 15 Dec 2019, maybe take your contents issue up with the Director of Executive Medicine if you so wish.

ollkiller · 01-07-2020 11:20PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Seems the zealots forgot there is already a Trump health thread:
"Is trump hiding a serious medical condition?" (Nope).

Thus there should really be one for Joe and his health condition(s):
- irregular heartbeat
- high concentrations of fat in the blood
- acid reflux
- allergies

Then there is previous incidents of two brian aneurysms, and recent bleeding eyes on live TV.
Previous to this: benign prostatic hyperplasia, a gallbladder that needed removing in 2003, surgery on his sinus and nasal passages.

The most recent worrying observation was just days ago: a very, very weak voice on TV interview.
Any Sifu/Sensei of worth, would not dare let his subjects into soft competition with a very weak vocal Chi/Kiai.
It's a key sign indicator of 'lifeforce' i.e. general health, both mental and physical.

You have to attack the health of the candidate cause that's all you have left to attack. A president needs to rise to the occasion in a time of crisis. Trump and Covid. 1 out of 10. And the 1 is for stopping some inbound flights. Would Biden have done a better job. You know the answer.

pauldavis123 · 01-07-2020 11:33PM

Overheal · 02-07-2020 02:02AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Is there a point to this thread anymore? Joe Biden's the presumptive nominee. Maybe we need a '2020 US Presidential election thread' (as against a Trump presidency thread). Then we can discuss both candidates.

We already have an election thread but notobtuse was threadbanned from it, so he started bumping this thread in perpetuity to lament Biden pummeling Trump in the polls from the comfort of his living room.

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 08:43AM

notobtuse wrote: »

According to Gallup (and the numbers change weekly) on average it looks like people identify as the following: 30% Republican, 38% Independent, and 30% Democrat.

I heard about these polls on talk radio (NPR I believe) notoriously oversampling democrats and undersampling republicans. I’ve look through a number of recent polls and they seemingly provide lots of information EXCEPT the number of people sampled by political party. Wonder why? Because it would expose those numbers indicating a glaring flaw in the sampling, perhaps? Now if someone can find data on a recent poll showing Trump down by 8-10 points, and with the breakdown of sampled respondents by party it would be most appreciated. And if you can find the information by 'REGISTERED’ voters it would be so much better.

so you dont have a source then. also, there are more democrats than republicans in the US as a whole. that is a just a fact. the popular vote in the last election showed that.

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 09:41AM

notobtuse wrote: »

According to Gallup (and the numbers change weekly) on average it looks like people identify as the following: 30% Republican, 38% Independent, and 30% Democrat.

I heard about these polls on talk radio (NPR I believe) notoriously oversampling democrats and undersampling republicans. I’ve look through a number of recent polls and they seemingly provide lots of information EXCEPT the number of people sampled by political party. Wonder why? Because it would expose those numbers indicating a glaring flaw in the sampling, perhaps? Now if someone can find data on a recent poll showing Trump down by 8-10 points, and with the breakdown of sampled respondents by party it would be most appreciated. And if you can find the information by 'REGISTERED’ voters it would be so much better.

You mean like this one???

This is the Rasmussen Poll on John Solomons website - A GOP friendly pollster on a VERY GOP Friendly website...

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Polling methodology shown here giving the breakdown by party affiliation and voter registration.

Demographic breakdown shown here

So - Are we done now with the "The polls are biased" crap or will you find another reason to not believe the facts?

02-07-2020 09:43AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You're suggesting there should be a thread about Biden's illnesses including allergies. I don't have any issue with you claiming he has them, I just find it bizarre that you think it's in any way relevant to this thread.

How can we trust a man who sneezes during pollen season?

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 09:43AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

You mean like this one???

This is the Rasmussen Poll on John Solomons website - A GOP friendly pollster on a VERY GOP Friendly website...

Polling methodology shown here giving the breakdown by party affiliation and voter registration.

Demographic breakdown shown here

So - Are we done now with the "The polls are biased" crap or will you find another reason to not believe the facts?

they only think the polls are biased because they dont like the results.

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 10:04AM

And in other News , Biden/DNC outraise Trump/GOP for the second month running

President Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden both set eye-popping fundraising records last month – but Biden’s records were larger.

The former vice president’s campaign announced on Wednesday night that they, the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and their joint fundraising committees hauled in a combined $141 million in June, which was by far the campaign’s best monthly figure to date.

Biden’s campaign called it a “jaw-dropping sum of money”

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee’s campaign also reported bringing in a combined $282 million with the DNC during the April-June second quarter of fundraising, which was another record. And officials touted that they and the DNC outraised their rivals for a second straight month.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 11:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How can we trust a man who sneezes during pollen season?

Funny how you only select the least offensive item, from the rap sheet of health issues, and ignore the...

...two brain aneurysms, later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Blood thinners and medication for acid reflux and cholesterol. Biden has also had his gallbladder removed and has been preemptively treated for non-cancerous polyps and skin abrasions in recent years. Earlier this year he started bleeding from the eyes live on CNN. More recently his vocal capacity appears to be diminishing.

Then there are the mental issues (see the video on previous page for some real good lols, that make dubya look like a mensa member).
https://youtu.be/0B6TjuoMAaY

When questioned by a reporter on testing for mental/congnitive decline, Joe responds by calling the chap a... 'lying dog face'.
Classy and professional!

Tell me how · 02-07-2020 11:16AM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Funny how you only select the least offensive item, from the rap sheet of health issues, and ignore the...

...two brain aneurysms, later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Blood thinners and medication for acid reflux and cholesterol. Biden has also had his gallbladder removed and has been preemptively treated for non-cancerous polyps and skin abrasions in recent years. Earlier this year he started bleeding from the eyes live on CNN. More recently his vocal capacity appears to be diminishing.

Then there are the mental issues (see the video on previous page for some real good lols, that make dubya look like a mensa member).
https://youtu.be/0B6TjuoMAaY

When questioned by a reporter on testing for mental/congnitive decline, Joe responds by calling the chap a... 'lying dog face'.
Classy and professional!

And still a better option than the incumbent.

02-07-2020 11:21AM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Funny how you only select the least offensive item, from the rap sheet of health issues, and ignore the...

...two brain aneurysms, later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Blood thinners and medication for acid reflux and cholesterol. Biden has also had his gallbladder removed and has been preemptively treated for non-cancerous polyps and skin abrasions in recent years. Earlier this year he started bleeding from the eyes live on CNN. More recently his vocal capacity appears to be diminishing.

Then there are the mental issues (see the video on previous page for some real good lols, that make dubya look like a mensa member).
https://youtu.be/0B6TjuoMAaY

When questioned by a reporter on testing for mental/congnitive decline, Joe responds by calling the chap a... 'lying dog face'.
Classy and professional!

I'm not yet thirty and I suffer badly from more than one chronic illness. If I wanted to enter a career in politics, these wouldn't prevent me. Simon Harris has crohn's disease, it can be a debilitating illness yet he does his job. FDR couldn't walk and was paralysed from the waist down managed to be one of the finest presidents in us history. I also imagine Clinton had increased blood pressure and cholesterol while president.

So no, I don't think having health issues should prevent him from being president. And realistically he is in general, he is far more coherent than Trump.

Also acid reflux and medication for it isn't notable at all. You should see some of the drugs I'm on.

silverharp · 02-07-2020 11:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not yet thirty and I suffer badly from more than one chronic illness. If I wanted to enter a career in politics, these wouldn't prevent me. Simon Harris has crohn's disease, it can be a debilitating illness yet he does his job. FDR couldn't walk and was paralysed from the waist down managed to be one of the finest presidents in us history. I also imagine Clinton had increased blood pressure and cholesterol while president.

So no, I don't think having health issues should prevent him from being president. And realistically he is in general, he is far more coherent than Trump.

Also acid reflux and medication for it isn't notable at all. You should see some of the drugs I'm on.

FDR wouldnt get elected today, different times with totally different media/technology

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 11:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So no, I don't think having health issues should prevent him from being president.

You choose to leave out non-physical decline (mental), which when this question arose via a Reporter (cognativie testing) was met with Joe's snappy and cringeworthy 'lying dog face' name calling.

You also choose to leave out the contextual age factor, health issues in 30/40/50s etc aren't important, but for someone 78yo in November (with 4yr term on top), this could very well be.

Igotadose · 02-07-2020 11:57AM

silverharp wrote: »

FDR wouldnt get elected today, different times with totally different media/technology

Reagan wouldn't get nominated by the GOP today. Too liberal.

duploelabs · 02-07-2020 12:02PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

You choose to leave out non-physical decline (mental), which when this question arose via a Reporter (cognativie testing) was met with Joe's snappy and cringeworthy 'lying dog face' name calling.

You also choose to leave out the contextual age factor, health issues in 30/40/50s etc aren't important, but for someone 78yo in November (with 4yr term on top), this could very well be.

A question isn't proof. Cough up some citation for your health claims

Tell me how · 02-07-2020 12:05PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

You choose to leave out non-physical decline (mental), which when this question arose via a Reporter (cognativie testing) was met with Joe's snappy and cringeworthy 'lying dog face' name calling.

You also choose to leave out the contextual age factor, health issues in 30/40/50s etc aren't important, but for someone 78yo in November (with 4yr term on top), this could very well be.

There is more context behind that comment.

Biden's 'lying dog-face' quip was a joke partly at his own expense.

Biden drew criticism earlier this year after he called 21-year-old college student Madison Moore 'a lying dog-faced pony soldier' after she asked about his poor performance in Iowa, during a rally in Hampton, New Hampshire.

When the woman said she had never been to a caucus, Biden replied: 'No you haven't. You're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.'

Moore later spoke out on the incident, calling the moment 'humiliating' and said Biden attempted to 'invalidate me by exposing my inexperience.'

Biden's camp later said the line was taken from a scene in a John Wayne movie, where a Native American chief refers to Wayne as a 'lying, dog-faced pony soldier.'

Now, I am not saying the above is exemplary behavior, but, it's not exactly a flat out insult.

Which would you say is worse, the above, or comments such as the following.

"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes," Trump told CNN's Don Lemon on Friday night. "Blood coming out of her wherever."

02-07-2020 12:08PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

You choose to leave out non-physical decline (mental), which when this question arose via a Reporter (cognativie testing) was met with Joe's snappy and cringeworthy 'lying dog face' name calling.

You also choose to leave out the contextual age factor, health issues in 30/40/50s etc aren't important, but for someone 78yo in November (with 4yr term on top), this could very well be.

In the future, could you include the entirety of my posts?

Health issues in your 20s or 30s can be incredibly serious. Crohns for example puts one at high risk of surgery, can put you out of action for months and when it's active can make it very difficult to even think clearly. For example I have to cocoon during covid because of medications I'm on.

The "lying dog" thing seems to be related to him asking additional questions and is pretty clearly in jest. I just watched the clip, I'm lost on how it makes him senile.. Particularly when you consider Trump claimed there was an air force during the civil war...

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

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Health issues in your 20s or 30s can be incredibly serious. Crohns for example puts one at high risk of surgery, can put you out of action for months and when it's active can make it very difficult to even think clearly. For example I have to cocoon during covid because of medications I'm on. Biden's aneurysm was when he was in his forties btw.

Will only quote what is relevant, without all the extra superfluous guff.
Sure some here are only quoting #4 (allergies) from the 3pg health rap sheet, double standards at play.

The point is he had surgery in his 40's, and thus surgery at that fairly young age makes recovery faster, easier and with better survival rates than it would be at e.g. 78.

Age is a really huge factor, don't try to brush that under a carpet, by lazily comparing to others half (or less) of his age with other conditions.

Stick 4yrs on 78, a 82yo in office, that won't be ideal.
Thus my forecast stands that he'll be replaced sooner rather than later.

Besides there are better candiates to choose from, all of whom, who won't call Reporters 'dog faces', not act inappropriately around females or minors, sniffing their hair, rubbing them, and grasping at the arms to drawn in close. Nevermind his own lies about his education (he didn't finish top of his class it now seems), the miners themed (stolen) speech was a real howler too.

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 12:39PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Will only quote what is relevant, without all the extra superfluous guff.
Sure some here are only quoting #4 (allergies) from the 3pg health rap sheet, double standards at play.

The point is he had surgery in his 40's, and thus surgery at that fairly young age makes recovery faster, easier and with better survival rates than it would be at e.g. 78.

Age is a really huge factor, don't try to brush that under a carpet, by lazily comparing to others half (or less) of his age with other conditions.

Stick 4yrs on 78, a 82yo in office, that won't be ideal.
Thus my forecast stands that he'll be replaced sooner rather than later.

Besides there are better candiates to choose from, all of whom, who won't call Reporters 'dog faces', not act inappropriately around females or minors, sniffing their hair, rubbing them, and grasping at the arms to drawn in close. Nevermind his own lies about his education (he didn't finish top of his class it now seems), the miners themed (stolen) speech was a real howler too.

Biden releases comprehensive detailed medical reports and people pore over them searching for evidence of a disqualifying ailment.

But those same people are seemingly fine with a 1 pager from Trump that says absolutely nothing.

Double Standard indeed.

Tell me how · 02-07-2020 12:47PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Besides there are better candiates to choose from, all of whom, who won't call Reporters 'dog faces', not act inappropriately around females or minors, sniffing their hair, rubbing them, and grasping at the arms to drawn in close. Nevermind his own lies about his education (he didn't finish top of his class it now seems), the miners themed (stolen) speech was a real howler too.

It's so interesting the way you phrase comments to denounce Biden because topic by topic there are examples from Trumps behavior which makes Biden's practically look inconsequential.

Besides there are better candiates to choose from, all of whom, who won't call Reporters 'dog faces'

already covered in a previous post.

not act inappropriately around females or minors, sniffing their hair, rubbing them, and grasping at the arms to drawn in close.

I saw an image of this incident I think and an explainer that the child in person was actually Bidens grandchild and the image was taken at the funeral of her father, Bidens son. Puts a different context on the story if this is the case. But again, Trumps behaviour around his own daughter is well documented.

Nevermind his own lies about his education

Stable genius anyone? The guy who said nobody can understand things like he can? The guy who claimed to be smart because he had an uncle who was a professor at MIT

the miners themed (stolen) speech was a real howler too

Compared to Trumps speech which was said to be plagiarized from 'Legally Blonde', whose wifes speech was based on Michelle Obama's and whose white house released a press release with a full paragraph copied from an Exxon Mobil press release.

It's almost like you are deliberately accusing Biden of things which Trump has more concerning examples of having done previously.

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 12:49PM

I'm quite happy to see all the trump supporters try to bring biden down. It means they are scared.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 12:57PM

Tell me how wrote: »

It's so interesting the way you phrase comments to denounce Biden because topic by topic there are examples from Trumps behavior which makes Biden's practically look inconsequential.

Subjective.

Tell me how wrote: »

already covered in a previous post.

And it stands he called the Reporter a 'dog face', and not in any humour.
This was from a standard and reasonable question.

Tell me how wrote: »

I saw an image of this incident

Stick e.g. 'hair sniffing Biden' in the google and bet met with a shed load of inappropriate images of scared looking females (inc minors), often being grabbed and rubbed up the wrong way.

Tell me how wrote: »

Stable genius anyone?

An ego based comment isn't the same as Biden making clear lies about his student acheivements (or lack of).
Besides looking backwards, the future ability of someone now in mental decline is the bigger concern. Prediction remains:

Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?
Yes, perhaps much sooner, rather than later.

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 01:04PM

McGinniesta wrote: »

They're really not. I fail to see how Donald Trump could be scared of Joe Biden. That doesn't necessarily mean that Trump will win but the suggestion that he is somehow scared doesn't seem right.

Joe Biden is scattered brained, incoherent.

trump and his supporters have been doing their best to stop biden being the democrat nominee. even to the extent of getting himself impeached while trying to dig up dirt on him. If they weren't scared why would they bother?

02-07-2020 01:04PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Subjective.

And it stands he called the Reporter a 'dog face', and not in any humour.
This was from a standard and reasonable question.

Stick e.g. 'hair sniffing Biden' in the google and bet met with a shed load of inappropriate images of scared looking females (inc minors), often being grabbed and rubbed up the wrong way.

An ego based comment isn't the same as Biden making clear lies about his student acheivements (or lack of).
Besides looking backwards, the future ability of someone now in mental decline is the bigger concern. Prediction remains:

Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?
Yes, perhaps much sooner, rather than later.

Hmm, Biden lying about student achievements 30 years ago versus Trump University which only settled back when he was elected.

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 01:07PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

An ego based comment isn't the same as Biden making clear lies about his student acheivements (or lack of).

well you certainly cant accuse trump of lying about his student achievements. mainly because he does all he can to keep them hidden. Probably because he is too modest about his success

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-07-2020 01:20PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Funny how you only select the least offensive item, from the rap sheet of health issues, and ignore the...

...two brain aneurysms, later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Blood thinners and medication for acid reflux and cholesterol. Biden has also had his gallbladder removed and has been preemptively treated for non-cancerous polyps and skin abrasions in recent years. Earlier this year he started bleeding from the eyes live on CNN. More recently his vocal capacity appears to be diminishing.

Then there are the mental issues (see the video on previous page for some real good lols, that make dubya look like a mensa member).
https://youtu.be/0B6TjuoMAaY

When questioned by a reporter on testing for mental/congnitive decline, Joe responds by calling the chap a... 'lying dog face'.
Classy and professional!

So he takes a gaviscon now and then lol

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-07-2020 01:24PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Biden releases comprehensive detailed medical reports and people pore over them searching for evidence of a disqualifying ailment.

But those same people are seemingly fine with a 1 pager from Trump that says absolutely nothing.

Double Standard indeed.

A one page report that he dictated to the doctor :pac:

Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

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