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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6962
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    skelly22 wrote: »
    My wife needs to get to see her sick father in Spain urgently. What's selfish about that?

    That’s different.
    Your wife is going on an essential journey.
    Others are going for a holiday which is selfish.


  • #6963
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Where is our new Taoiseach?

    Serious power vacuum at the moment.

    It's as if we have no government at the minute


  • #6964
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    polesheep wrote: »
    The selfish part is that poster not wanting her to go.

    Where did I say that?
    Cop yourself on and don’t speak for me please.


  • #6965
    ThewhiteJesus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    Anyone who go's on a foreign holiday this summer is extremely selfish in my opinion,
    either staycation or go later in the year or early next year if you must.
    But no doubt many will go, just like they went to Cheltenham


  • #6966
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    I am comparing two week holidays and quite generous to the Irish costs. One is a substitute for the other. Or are you saying people do not go on holiday?

    I am saying that you have paid for a holiday and the cost of that does not change whether you go or not.

    I am saying that people shouldnt travel abroad, in my view.

    If people want to pay for a different holiday in Ireland than thats up to them.

    However, if people cannot afford an Irish holiday then my point stands, the money for the foreign holiday is spent, you are not getting it back, no matter what your decision.


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  • #6967
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    He is head of the emergency response team (NPHET). He does not completely dodge the blame.

    They don't manage the systems, they recommend but he has shared a level of regret about it. The doers are the HSE or HIQA but it's still a complex situation. I'm far more inclined to look at what could be better in the future, finger pointing just makes people feel good but provides no answers. The current HSE care home staff testing is a good example of such a policy.


  • #6968
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Anyone who go's on a foreign holiday this summer is extremely selfish in my opinion,
    either staycation or go later in the year or early next year if you must.
    But no doubt many will go, just like they went to Cheltenham
    We note your opinion.


  • #6969
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Anyone who go's on a foreign holiday this summer is extremely selfish in my opinion,
    either staycation or go later in the year or early next year if you must.
    But no doubt many will go, just like they went to Cheltenham

    what will be different later in the year? Will Spain have less cases than now? Unlikely. People need to start questioning what they are being asked to do here - if cancelling holidays for a few months will stop this virus, then fine cancel everything. But what will most likely happen is, the virus will still be with us in 6 months and probable more prevalent than now as we wont re-lockdown to the same extent.


  • #6970
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    An unelected public servant is calling the shots in this country at the moment and people are sitting idly by lapping it up. It needs to be stopped, let's have some leadership Micheal Martin.


  • #6971
    skelly22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭skelly22


    tom1ie wrote: »
    That’s different.
    Your wife is going on an essential journey.
    Others are going for a holiday which is selfish.

    No, she's actually not going on an essential journey. That's the point.


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  • #6972
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    tom1ie wrote: »
    That’s different.
    Your wife is going on an essential journey.
    Others are going for a holiday which is selfish.

    Why is it selfish to go on a holiday to a country with the virus under control?

    I'll tell you what's selfish. The people who want restrictions to continue, no travel, mandatory masks and all sorts of other limitations on how we live our lives, because they have skin in the game.

    I've noticed over the past few months on here that those who shout the loudest and most often about maintaining restrictions have gradually revealed that they are either vulnerable or caring for someone who is. Those people will selfishly defend restrictions, indefinitely if necessary, until a vaccine is found or until we have eliminated it from the island and shut down all international travel. Well, that's not gong to happen. Travel will resume, including for such wanton extravagances as foreign holidays, and life will get back to normal.


  • #6973
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They don't manage the systems, they recommend but he has shared a level of regret about it. The doers are the HSE or HIQA but it's still a complex situation. I'm far more inclined to look at what could be better in the future, finger pointing just makes people feel good but provides no answers. The current HSE care home staff testing is a good example of such a policy.

    I understand exactly what you mean. While there is always someone who actually does the work, he is in the leadership team who advised Government on their responses. Yes accountability is shared but they need to own their decisions.

    I am critical of him in respect to masks. I am critical of the Government in respect to a lot of the recent messaging and preparations.


  • #6974
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    skelly22 wrote: »
    No, she's actually not going on an essential journey. That's the point.
    I dunno S I would consider a daughter visiting a sick father pretty essential myself. A booze cruise trip it isn't. If my folks were still above ground and one was ill, damn right I'd travel.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #6975
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Anyone who go's on a foreign holiday this summer is extremely selfish in my opinion,
    either staycation or go later in the year or early next year if you must.
    But no doubt many will go, just like they went to Cheltenham

    Just wondering when you would say later in the year? From what month?


  • #6976
    Diarmuid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Anyone who go's on a foreign holiday this summer is extremely selfish in my opinion,
    either staycation or go later in the year or early next year if you must.
    But no doubt many will go, just like they went to Cheltenham

    What makes you think it will be safer early next year? After another 6 months out of lockdown, it's likely that incidence of the virus in circulation will be higher. Waiting until early next year is "selfish"


  • #6977
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    polesheep wrote: »
    Why is it selfish to go on a holiday to a country with the virus under control?

    I'll tell you what's selfish. The people who want restrictions to continue, no travel, mandatory masks and all sorts of other limitations on how we live our lives, because they have skin in the game.

    I've noticed over the past few months on here that those who shout the loudest and most often about maintaining restrictions have gradually revealed that they are either vulnerable or caring for someone who is. Those people will selfishly defend restrictions, indefinitely if necessary, until a vaccine is found or until we have eliminated it from the island and shut down all international travel. Well, that's not gong to happen. Travel will resume, including for such wanton extravagances as foreign holidays, and life will get back to normal.

    Look clearly no one is going to change your mind but travelling to another country in the current climate is asking for trouble imo, whatever You say.
    I’ll leave it at that.


  • #6978
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    skelly22 wrote: »
    No, she's actually not going on an essential journey. That's the point.

    I would consider that an essential journey for sure but again that depends on perspective.
    A non essential holiday is people going away to relax on a beach etc etc.
    Going on a trip to see your sick father is something else entirely.


  • #6979
    skelly22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭skelly22


    tom1ie wrote: »
    I would consider that an essential journey for sure but again that depends on perspective.
    A non essential holiday is people going away to relax on a beach etc etc.
    Going on a trip to see your sick father is something else entirely.

    What I mean is she's unable to go, not that it's not essential. It's absolutely essential. Sorry if I worded it incorrectly.


  • #6980
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    An unelected public servant is calling the shots in this country at the moment and people are sitting idly by lapping it up. It needs to be stopped, let's have some leadership Micheal Martin.
    NPHET, not just him, have been making recommendations, which the government has largely agreed with and acted on. They have worked, little as you may like it. Unless things go really sideways this NPHET's time is coming to a close.


  • #6981
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Look clearly no one is going to change your mind but travelling to another country in the current climate is asking for trouble imo, whatever You say.
    I’ll leave it at that.

    Posted this on travel thread

    Going 10 August, Portugal for 2 weeks.

    Looking forward to the Sun, everyone wearing a mask because it's mandotary, beaches set out for social distancing unlike Ireland, all restaurants and bars and shops fully compiling with social distancing unlike Tesco and Penneys here which is like a cattle mart once u get in. No groups teens everywhere on buses, parks etc like Ireland

    Was on a the town bus today in Dundalk and was nobody with masks and bus packed at 8.30am, I know where id rather be on a plane with proper ventilation and everyone wearing masks, after having their temperatures checked before got on

    Íl take my chances in such a dangerous place


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  • #6982
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    But no doubt many will go, just like they went to Cheltenham
    Well it's not quite comparable as most holiday destinations are in countries where they've low circulation *and* where they're practicing many of the same measures we're using in Ireland such as social distancing, cleaning routines, etc. Not to say there's no risk involved, and it's not one I'm bothered taking myself this summer, but comparisons to Cheltenham aren't really valid.


  • #6983
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Indeed.


  • #6984
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why is the word essential being used here? Essential ended a long time ago. The country is practically fully open at this stage, people no longer need to justify their movement as 'essential'.


  • #6985
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    This Irish times headline will lead alot of people to think we aren't allowed into other EU countries

    "Ireland left out as EU opens borders to 15 states including Australia, Canada and Japan"

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-left-out-as-eu-opens-borders-to-15-states-including-australia-canada-and-japan-1.4292678?mode=amp&utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral


  • #6986
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    This Irish times headline will lead alot of people to think we aren't allowed into other EU countries

    "Ireland left out as EU opens borders to 15 states including Australia, Canada and Japan"

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-left-out-as-eu-opens-borders-to-15-states-including-australia-canada-and-japan-1.4292678?mode=amp&utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral


    Left out??? We've locked ourselves outside!!! Most EU countries allow their citizens to travel to Ireland!

    Very biased and misleading headline from the IT... are they really trying to somehow blame the EU when we're the ones imposing quarantine?


  • #6987
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    GocRh wrote: »
    Left out??? We've locked ourselves outside!!! Most EU countries allow their citizens to travel to Ireland!

    Very biased and misleading headline from the IT... are they really trying to somehow blame the EU when we're the ones imposing quarantine?

    Anything for a bad news story, it's a race to the bottom for the media these days. They don't seem to be bothered about accurately reporting the news anymore, clicks to ensure survival is all that matters to them now.


  • #6988
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    GocRh wrote: »
    Left out??? We've locked ourselves outside!!! Most EU countries allow their citizens to travel to Ireland!

    Very biased and misleading headline from the IT... are they really trying to somehow blame the EU when we're the ones imposing quarantine?

    Germany, Netherlands and Denmark for example are advising against non essential travel to Ireland due to the 14 day self quarantine but there's nothing stopping outbound travel. We can travel to the likes of Germany, Netherlands and Denmark without issue.

    But we're not being left out. We're allowed to travel within the EU and that headline makes it sound as if we aren't. We're leaving ourselves out from allowing people to travel here


  • #6989
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Indeed.

    Wasn't there only 24 cases yesterday? Of course the cases were going to rise when coming of lockdown. Otherwise we wouldn't have been indoors for the last 3 months.


  • #6990
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    polesheep wrote: »
    I've noticed over the past few months on here that those who shout the loudest and most often about maintaining restrictions have gradually revealed that they are either vulnerable or caring for someone who is. Those people will selfishly defend restrictions, indefinitely if necessary, until a vaccine is found or until we have eliminated it from the island and shut down all international travel.

    I know, right?

    Imagine being so selfish, not wanting a loved one to die unnecessarily. Or to die yourself. The absolute ****ing greed of them, putting you to the inconvenience of wearing a mask on a bus or luas or in a crowded shop?! Just so they don't have to die. How ****ing selfish is it, wanting to live, if it means you can't have your two weeks in Benidorm.

    Jesus ****ing Christ. Listen to yourself.

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  • #6991
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lots of talk about a 2nd wave / resurgence or whatever you want to call it. Tony back to his normal self. The numbers are a huge concern and holidays should be cancelled. Feels like we are back to your typical 2020 normality.

    Of course the increase in cases is almost fully down to the 1 family in Sligo and healthcare workers.

    Its actually incredible how many healthcare workers have caught this. Must be over 33% of our cases by now. Disgraceful stuff. Somebody needs to be held accountable for that. Of course it won't happen though. Sure Holohan shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a healthcare environment with his past record.


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