Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

GocRh · 30-06-2020 10:09AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

For the bolded part, I think low corporate income tax plays a role in big companies coming here (plus the good infrastructure and access to good staff).

At least in IT (can't speak for other industries), a significant proportion of workers are from elsewhere in the EU and many are from outside the EU. Local talent pool is quite limited.
Our infrastructure is ok but not great by European standards (public transport here is very poor in comparison to the continent).
The biggest draw are corporation taxes and the language, everything else makes very little difference and does not offset the high cost of living and housing shortages.

paw patrol · 30-06-2020 10:10AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

And no sense of risk management. We have an open border. If he wants to manage risk close that border.

Then we join Schengen with common EU controls.

this (bit in bold) - 1000%

MickeyLeari · 30-06-2020 10:12AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Ireland ranked 3rd in 2019. You're posting complete and utter nonsense. Please stop.

For some people life is great.
For others less so. If life was so great then why did a good chunk of the population want to elect a left wing Government. And I think the 2011 - 2016 Govt did a reasonably good job.

GocRh · 30-06-2020 10:12AM

paw patrol wrote: »

fair play to you. I hope you've a great time

we have 361 active cases in Ireland- 12 serious ( I assume in ICU) and that sh1tehawk wants us to forgo our holidays after months of sitting on our holes.
he has lost the run of himself - my only hope is the new government will lessen his impact after Leo gave him full control.

The new government has been awfully quiet, the new health minister said there's no commitment to a green lane implementation date - already undoing a commitment from Leo.
I'm loosing hope that Ireland will have a sensible policy to foreign travel.

crossman47 · 30-06-2020 10:27AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

For some people life is great.
For others less so. If life was so great then why did a good chunk of the population want to elect a left wing Government. And I think the 2011 - 2016 Govt did a reasonably good job.

People who have been sold the lie that they can have everything free voted for a left wing government. They saw how the water charges protests caused the government to fold (and FF cave in as well).

CruelSummer · 30-06-2020 10:44AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Gotta love the concern for the irish economy....until its holierz time with the ladz/girlz!

Do you think thousands of jobs in aviation, airlines travel and most importantly our connectivity as an island to other EU nations isn’t important? Are you happy for them to be lost, and access to affordable travel like Ryanair and Aerlingus currently offer to disappear and they to go under?
All because of a few cases from Iraq which didn’t even enter the country through Dublin or any ROI airport?
Because I’ve been to others areas of the world where there isn’t the same connectivity as here and it’s €300 for short flights...
Where is your staycation to that NPHET want you to fork out for? The Irish tourism sector wants to allow some tourism to return here from abroad so best get booking...

is_that_so · 30-06-2020 10:47AM

faceman wrote: »

I've heard first hand of a pub in Ballyfermot packed to the rafters yesterday. No social distancing. They charged €9 for a sandwich yet didnt serve any, so the €9 acted like an entry fee.

But pubs in Ireland are low risk though yeah? :rolleyes:

Did you inform the relevant authorities before diving in here?

is_that_so · 30-06-2020 10:48AM

GocRh wrote: »

The new government has been awfully quiet, the new health minister said there's no commitment to a green lane implementation date - already undoing a commitment from Leo.
I'm loosing hope that Ireland will have a sensible policy to foreign travel.

It's been 2 days of government! They could have work to do!

CruelSummer · 30-06-2020 10:48AM

ronivek wrote: »

"Sustained campaign of harassment"? What planet are you living on?

Although clearly you never had any intention of not going; so I suppose you have to try and convince yourself you're not being irresponsible by going anyway.

Do you think the Germans and other EU countries that are travelling for holidays are irresponsible too?

faceman · 30-06-2020 11:05AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Did you inform the relevant authorities before diving in here?

Yep

Elmer Blooker · 30-06-2020 11:19AM

faceman wrote: »

I've heard first hand of a pub in Ballyfermot packed to the rafters yesterday. No social distancing. They charged €9 for a sandwich yet didnt serve any, so the €9 acted like an entry fee.

But pubs in Ireland are low risk though yeah? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't jump to conclusions, there is the possibility that those in this pub are BLM/LBGTQ Trump hating activists who apparently in the eyes of the media have immunity against covid and can therefore ignore social distancing guidelines by gathering in large groups.

MickeyLeari · 30-06-2020 11:30AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's been 2 days of government! They could have work to do!

I think when they see the briefing they will start reflecting on the broader risks (health and socio-economic).

stephenjmcd · 30-06-2020 11:35AM

GocRh wrote: »

At least in IT (can't speak for other industries), a significant proportion of workers are from elsewhere in the EU and many are from outside the EU. Local talent pool is quite limited.
Our infrastructure is ok but not great by European standards (public transport here is very poor in comparison to the continent).
The biggest draw are corporation taxes and the language, everything else makes very little difference and does not offset the high cost of living and housing shortages.

Would agree with this from the IT point of view same as yourself, the actual amount of Irish people coming through with degrees in the field is limited. Without workers coming in from abroad there wouldn't be a big IT industry here.

Strumms · 30-06-2020 11:37AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Pubs are a managed risk. That pub is a high risk and should be shut down.

Some pubs will be safer than others, a regular haunt of mine in Clontarf will have zero issue, the lounge is huge, they put in place screens and showing everything on their FB photos and it looks great, safe and dynamic what they’ve done. What helps is the lounge is very big, open plan with no kind of cubby holes too like some pubs.

They also own my local pub which I don’t think anyway will open soon, it’s older, smaller, a lot less space, a busy pub, very busy but on an average day / night you’d be bumping into and squeezing past people just trying to get in and out and to the toilets / smoking area

Duke of Url · 30-06-2020 12:11PM

Foe the people who work in Offices, When are they back in Office?

skelly22 · 30-06-2020 12:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Again you have not read what I have written. Wife has no work. My hours and pay has been reduced 20% through a corporate decision to save cash as role is not direct production even though workload is unchanged and sales are strong. Have seen dozens of contractors lose their jobs.

And for the umpteenth tine, I do not cheerlead continued restrictions. Since when do many on here, on both sides of the argument by the way, let facts get in the way of a good rant

Sorry to hear that, pretty much the same on my end. My wife has lost her job, I've had a similar pay cut and my job is now in real jeopardy. Substantial mortgage to pay, teenage kids out of school with no guaranteed prospect of returning to school in September. Anyone still arguing the case for continued restrictions clearly hasn't been sufficiently impacted negatively enough for them to actually want them to be eased.

30-06-2020 12:36PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Foe the people who work in Offices, When are they back in Office?

I don't think this is something that will ever be recommended. The advice will probably remain to work from home were possible.

Good employers will probably allow it to continue. Bad employers will probably bring staff back.

GocRh · 30-06-2020 12:39PM

Call for flights to be cancelled, this is quickly getting out of control, govt needs to step up and say once and for all what the policy is.
Less than a week ago we were talking about green lanes, and now what's being suggested is more strict that the restrictions we had during lockdown!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

30-06-2020 12:39PM

skelly22 wrote: »

Sorry to hear that, pretty much the same on my end. My wife has lost her job, I've had a similar pay cut and my job is now in real jeopardy. Substantial mortgage to pay, teenage kids out of school with no guaranteed prospect of returning to school in September. Anyone still arguing the case for continued restrictions clearly hasn't been sufficiently impacted negatively enough for them to actually want them to be eased.

Thats depressing to hear. My company sent around a mail already saying that payrises and recruitment are on hold. Salary cuts and/or job losses may come next.

Work in a software company.

I can't see how the economy won't collapse if we remain on the path we are on.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 30-06-2020 12:41PM

Sorry if already asked but is there a list of EU countries which the Irish Government have allowed as safe to travel to from July onwards?

facehugger99 · 30-06-2020 12:44PM

The public servants 'working' from home and the lads on the €350 Covid gravy-train are big fans of Dr Tony and his fretting about the 24 cases.

The rest of the workforce are going to be facing an enormous bill for this nonsense.

The penny hasn't dropped for some lads yet but the bill's in the post and it's going to arrive soon.

We'll see the clappy-seals melt away fairly sharp when the Covid-holiday comes to an end.

skelly22 · 30-06-2020 12:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats depressing to hear. My company sent around a mail already saying that payrises and recruitment are on hold. Salary cuts and/or job losses may come next.

Work in a software company.

I can't see how the economy won't collapse if we remain on the path we are on.

Absolutely depressing. Some are having to come to terms with it earlier than others unfortunately but, as you say, if things continue to pan out in this way there'll be no escaping the outcome.

GocRh · 30-06-2020 12:47PM

MattS1 wrote: »

Sorry if already asked but is there a list of EU countries which the Irish Government have allowed as safe to travel to from July onwards?

There isn't, and the NPHET don't want anyone traveling abroad for the rest of the year. So don't expect anything sensible from Holohan.

Travel Agents are asking for flights to be cancelled.

Govt. still quiet.

It's all over the place at the moment.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

ilovesmybrick · 30-06-2020 12:48PM

GocRh wrote: »

Call for flights to be cancelled, this is quickly getting out of control, govt needs to step up and say once and for all what the policy is.
Less than a week ago we were talking about green lanes, and now what's being suggested is more strict that the restrictions we had during lockdown!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

I just listened to the interview on the website based on that article, and Pat Dawson is justifiably infuriated at the lack of planning or information. Based on last weeks announced relaxation I booked flights home to visit the parents for a couple of days as I haven't been home since December.

This is back to the nonsense Harris was coming out with last month that there would be no travel in 2020. And this focus on holidays obscures the fact that a lot of us also travel for personal, family, and work reasons. It's not just about holidays. If I wanted a holiday I wouldn't be travelling to Ireland at the moment, where the weathers crap, the bars are closed, and I'll be working from home for the couple of days. I'd be travelling to any of the other countries in Schengen that I'm free to travel to at the moment and have been opened for weeks.

Hannibal36 · 30-06-2020 12:55PM

Virologist Dr Kim Roberts agreed on the issue of compulsory quarantine. She said international travel was a privilege and people needed to value that privilege and the only way to have control was to have restrictions. “If people abuse them then we will be back to lockdown,” she warned.

That's a worrying quote from that article,sounds like the little man is gonna be priced out of international travel.

silverharp · 30-06-2020 12:59PM

https://twitter.com/GraemeMcQ/status/1277926116125179904

stephenjmcd · 30-06-2020 12:59PM

GocRh wrote: »

There isn't, and the NPHET don't want anyone traveling abroad for the rest of the year. So don't expect anything sensible from Holohan.

Travel Agents are asking for flights to be cancelled.

Govt. still quiet.

It's all over the place at the moment.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

You've also then this quote, they basically want us to be like New Zealand

"Public health expert Dr Gabriel Scally told the same programme he did not think air bridges were the solution and that there was in fact no real solution other than to “get rid of the virus in Ireland”.

Spanish Eyes · 30-06-2020 01:04PM

GocRh wrote: »

Call for flights to be cancelled, this is quickly getting out of control, govt needs to step up and say once and for all what the policy is.
Less than a week ago we were talking about green lanes, and now what's being suggested is more strict that the restrictions we had during lockdown!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

TBH I think all this flip flapping about foreign travel is just flying a kite to see what the response of the public is before they make any firm decisions. I heard on some radio station this morning that polls suggest up to 80% of people here are in favour of staying at home and not travelling. I have no source, sorry just what I heard.

stephenjmcd · 30-06-2020 01:07PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

TBH I think all this flip flapping about foreign travel is just flying a kite to see what the response of the public is before they make any firm decisions. I heard on some radio station this morning that polls suggest up to 80% of people here are in favour of staying at home and not travelling. I have no source, sorry just what I heard.

Well all they need to do is take a look at the departures from Dublin Airport tomorrow to see travel resuming. The time for kite flying is long gone.

If people want to travel now they're just going to travel, if not they won't.

If I was due to go on holdiay this week or next week to lets say Spain and the choice was dont go and lose all your money paid or go as planned, would I go ? Yes I would.

Benimar · 30-06-2020 01:08PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

TBH I think all this flip flapping about foreign travel is just flying a kite to see what the response of the public is before they make any firm decisions. I heard on some radio station this morning that polls suggest up to 80% of people here are in favour of staying at home and not travelling. I have no source, sorry just what I heard.

There was a well known local Travel Agent on the radio in Waterford (been in the business years and would be trusted) and he says that a large proportion of his customers aren't travelling this year and are re-arranging to go in 2021 instead.

To use his own word, people are being 'sensible' about it.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings